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[AresKeith]

StreetMagic wrote...

Punch for him what again? For making jokes about Thessia?

If there's any plot railroading there, it's that you can't agree with him. You're forced to be emo Shep for awhile.

For Shepard dying at the start of ME2

[AlanC9]

Mr.House wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Traynor is important too. She informs you about every single N7 mission, Grissom Academy, and Sanctuary.

Oh you mean stuff the writers took away from Liara and gave to Sam to make her important and justify her exsistance? Ya......

Imagine how all the Liara haters would have howled if she got all those lines too....

As for the topic, isn't it Shepard?

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 juin 2013 - 10:09 .

[Mr.House]

StreetMagic wrote...

Punch for him what again? For making jokes about Thessia?

If there's any plot railroading there, it's that you can't agree with him. You're forced to be emo Shep for awhile.

Getting Shepard killed, being forced to be buddy buddy with him when oyu first see him in ME2 ect. The list goes on. His Thessia joke is a very small reason.

[grey_wind]

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Traynor is important too. She informs you about every single N7 mission, Grissom Academy, and Sanctuary.

Oh you mean stuff the writers took away from Liara and gave to Sam to make her important and justify her exsistance? Ya......

Imagine how all the Liara haters would have howled if she got all those lines too....

As for the topic, isn't it Shepard?

I think the problem here is that the cut content for Liara would have actually justified why she has such a large role in the narrative by simply making her crucial to finding key information. With the state she's in now, she has a large role for no other reason than because she's one of the only characters to survive all three games, and the content she gets doesn't justify the magnitude of her presence.

[Kataphrut94]

Based on ME3, it would have to be Admiral Hackett at no.1, Joker and Traynor tied for no. 2, and I guess Liara, James and Javik tied for no. 3? Those guys only die in the crap endings, and Hackett is the only one to live through low EMS Destroy.

[KaiserShep]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

liara has the most plot armor.Why?Because she is a stupid girl who can't fight but she still survives.Logic says she should be dead by the end of the Therum mission

So, did you actually use Liara as a squadmate at some point in ME1? If you did, and leveled up her powers, you would've seen that she can actually be a formidable member of the team. But judging from the fact that you hate both the game and Liara, I can't see why you would've done so. I don't see what being a "stupid girl" has to do with it, and on the subject of logic, it seems to have escaped you, because in Therum, the Krogan and geth were actually trying to take her back alive. 

[Aaleel]

Not being put into situations where it's possible for to die IS NOT plot armor.

Being put into situations where you should die and surviving in some nonsensical way IS plot armor, so I have to go with Shepard as the answer to the question.

[o Ventus]

Aaleel wrote...

Not being put into situations where it's possible for to die IS NOT plot armor.

Being put into situations where you should die and surviving in some nonsensical way IS plot armor, so I have to go with Shepard as the answer to the question.

Shepard CAN die, it's just up to the player.

[KaiserShep]

Aaleel wrote...

Not being put into situations where it's possible for to die IS NOT plot armor.

Being put into situations where you should die and surviving in some nonsensical way IS plot armor, so I have to go with Shepard as the answer to the question.

Shepard can die on the very first mission at the beginning of the trilogy at any time. The fact that the game doesn't just lock up for all eternity to simulate actual death doesn't count as plot armor. 

[JonathonPR]

Shepard. The narativiom flows through him.

[CynicalShep]

Fixers0 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

In b4 David

"That's not plot armor."

[iOnlySignIn]

Mr.House wrote...

Joker.

This.

The pilot with brittle bones and no combat training is also the hardest to kill in the direst of situations. He survives even if *everyone else dies*, at the ending of ME2 AND ME3. The guy must be Bear Grylls in disguise.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 14 juin 2013 - 01:35 .

[BronzTrooper]

Kai Leng and the Council. Argh!!! The Council is so f*cking idiotic!!

[Nightdragon8]

o Ventus wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

themikefest wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

I vote Liara, but Kai Lame and Samantha Traynor come close

Why you say Samantha?

As for plot armor it would be smurfette

I like her, but she's unkillable unless you pick the refuse ending. Thus, plot armor.

That isn't plot armor. She's never put into a position where she could be killed. Liara surviving the numerous assassination attempts in LotSB is plot armor. Jacob and Grunt's survival in ME3 past their mission are both examples of plot armor. Every single one of Kai Leng's appearances involve plot armor up until Cronos.

the biggest offense of plot armor is Kei Leng, on Thesia, considering "you can't kill him" even tho you can shoot and 'hurt' him. I was even at one point preventing the shields from going up during the recharge cycle, (ran out of ammo in the mag) but still pure plot armor.

You can explain Liaras combat gains just because of the mind link she did with Shepard, she picked up a few of his combat skills from him.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 14 juin 2013 - 02:29 .

[TNT1991]

Garrus-stu
Aria
Sha'ira
Conrad Verner
Normandy
Starbrat

What? Everyone else already took the good ones...

[ThinkSharp]

grey_wind wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Traynor is important too. She informs you about every single N7 mission, Grissom Academy, and Sanctuary.

Oh you mean stuff the writers took away from Liara and gave to Sam to make her important and justify her exsistance? Ya......

Imagine how all the Liara haters would have howled if she got all those lines too....

As for the topic, isn't it Shepard?

I think the problem here is that the cut content for Liara would have actually justified why she has such a large role in the narrative by simply making her crucial to finding key information. With the state she's in now, she has a large role for no other reason than because she's one of the only characters to survive all three games, and the content she gets doesn't justify the magnitude of her presence.

Let's be honest. None of the squadmates play a directly large role in the narrative, beyond their presence as squadmate and their individual relevance to certain missions. They have larger roles in the universe, perhaps, but not much is played out on screen for any of them. None are crucial. Giving those lines back to Liara wouldn't have fixed that.

Yes, Liara survives all three games, doubles as potential LI for all variety of Sheps, so she's a safe default. And there has to be a default. In ME1 it was Ash & Kaidan. ME2 it was Miranda. Liara makes sense for 3. I really think that the magnitude of her presence is exaggerated by those who dislike her.

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 14 juin 2013 - 02:43 .

[KENNY4753]

Al-Jilani

[Jadebaby]

I'd say (since he's lead on ME4) Mac Attack has the greatest plot armour. Cant touch that.

Modifié par Jadebaby, 14 juin 2013 - 02:51 .

[David7204]

Unless you're talking about Miranda during the suicide mission, none of these examples are Plot Armor.

Plot Armor is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Modifié par David7204, 14 juin 2013 - 05:19 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Liara.


'Don't care what any pedantic idiot says about what really qualifies as "plot armor" or not.

[o Ventus]

You're 8 hours late, David.

[Bill Casey]

Among too many things to mention, Shepard survives Sovereign falling on him and Harbinger's laser...

[KaiserShep]

Bill Casey wrote...

Among too many things to mention, Shepard survives Sovereign falling on him and Harbinger's laser...

Eh, you can't really call Shepard's survival at the end of ME1 plot armor, because at that point, the plot is completely resolved. Sovereign is dead and the day is saved. What Harbinger's laser doesn't accomplish, Marauder Shields could actually finish off, along with those husks that come out of nowhere.