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[Barquiel]

If you could kill anyone at anytime how could you have a cohesive story?

The story and most character arcs probably would have been better if more squadmates had "plot armor" (if we count the sidelining of Liara in ME2 so she can't die during the suicide mission as "plot armor"). Making everyone killable in ME2 was really not their best idea...

[The Night Mammoth]

StreetMagic wrote...

What does she have to do with Saren? No one has to bring her to that mission. You don't even have to bring her to Ilos.

Nothing really, but I didn't bring up Saren, and I didn't say you should, or have to, bring her on any mission, or that she's in any way useful. 

Though I'm pretty sure there's a reason you recruit her, and she does actually help Shepard during ME1. Can't remember though, so I won't comment.

[themikefest]

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

[Steelcan]

StreetMagic wrote...

I think it'd be fine if they had set a subtle flag, like they did with Miranda, when it came to the Kai Leng fights. Instead, one slip up on you not reading a dossier, and Miranda dies by Leng's hand. But Liara? She can go face to face and still survive? And her nerves are already shot in that battle anyways. Miranda is tougher, and she still dies.

Besides, this would have added more drama to Thessia.

Not really I'd drop her myself given the chance.<_<

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

Because they wouldn't have seen past the fact that Cerberus were labeled terrorists and would have possibly done something to stop them, possibly causing Shepard to remain dead. What's better, people have to deal with grief, and Cerberus are successful, or people are put through more suffering, and Cerberus end up failing, and they have to deal with the same grief forever? 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 juin 2013 - 09:17 .

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

Because they wouldn't have seen past the fact that Cerberus were labeled terrorists and would have possibly done something to stop them, possibly causing Shepard to remain dead. What's better, people have to deal with grief, and Cerberus are successful, or people are put through more suffering, and Cerberus end up failing? 

I doubt Kaidan or Ashley could do anything to hurt Cerberus.

[remydat]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Player characters are exempt from this according to the tropes page just because they're player characters. In books there would be other main characters who would have more freedom to act, but in video games it is the player character who must be the center of attention.

I am not talking about Shep just being the center of attention.  That is a given.  I am talking about his body surviving a fall from space and re-entry.  That goes beyond just being a main character and is a pretty massive plot hole.  Even the endings have space magic they can rely on.  There is no space magic that allows a body to remain virtually intact after a fall like that and without burning up or turning into a puddle of mush.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

As I recall Feron did the heavy lifting.

And the Cerberus logs and conversations make it clear Miranda was the driving force behind it.  The first Cerberus guy in charge didn't think it was possible, then comes Miranda.

I didn't say Miranda didn't play a very important role in the Lazarus Project, but she didn't spend a billion credits and research everything alone.

It would make perfect sense for a character such as Thane to kill him....

Thane wasn't hunting the Shadow Broker for two years. It'd make sense if any random person fired the last shot, in a purely logical way, but this is a story, there's more at work.

And anyone could have found the Crucible, anyone.

Oh, I didn't know everyone in the ME universe was the Shadow Broker and an expert in the protheans with contacts in the Alliance admirality. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 juin 2013 - 09:30 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

Because they wouldn't have seen past the fact that Cerberus were labeled terrorists and would have possibly done something to stop them, possibly causing Shepard to remain dead. What's better, people have to deal with grief, and Cerberus are successful, or people are put through more suffering, and Cerberus end up failing? 

I doubt Kaidan or Ashley could do anything to hurt Cerberus.

By themselves. What if they went to Anderson and Hackett though? Or the Council? Or the Shadow Broker? 

[themikefest]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

Because they wouldn't have seen past the fact that Cerberus were labeled terrorists and would have possibly done something to stop them, possibly causing Shepard to remain dead. What's better, people have to deal with grief, and Cerberus are successful, or people are put through more suffering, and Cerberus end up failing, and they have to deal with the same grief forever? 

Really? She claims to be your friend and pulls that crap.

She takes Shepard's armor and displays it like some kind of trophy. She takes DNA from Shepard and puts it on a picture frame and a glass case. What was she doing with Shepard's DNA? What use is it to her? What was she going to do with it if Shepard wasn't able to come back to life? Who gave her the right to do that?

If I'm Shepard's mother I would take my shotgun and look at her saying Embrace hot lead you piece of crap

She has mental issues. Ones that should have her in a straight jacket and thrown in a rubber room.

Maybe in the next game Bioware can add to the codex with an asterisk about the Asari that they have been known to take items and DNA from dead bodies that no one can explain.

[Barquiel]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

Because they wouldn't have seen past the fact that Cerberus were labeled terrorists and would have possibly done something to stop them, possibly causing Shepard to remain dead. What's better, people have to deal with grief, and Cerberus are successful, or people are put through more suffering, and Cerberus end up failing? 

I doubt Kaidan or Ashley could do anything to hurt Cerberus.

By themselves. What if they went to Anderson and Hackett though? Or the Council? Or the Shadow Broker? 

Hackett was informed, iirc. There was simply no assurance that Cerberus will be able to revive Shepard (Miranda is not very optimistic at the end of Redemption). If they failed, it would have been cruel to give Shepards family/friends that false hope.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Without Feron's help T'Soni would never of found Shepard's body for her to give to Cerberus.

How come T'soni never told anyone that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus? I'm sure spacer Shepard's mother would like an answer to that question. Same with Kaidan/Ashley if they're a love interest.

Because they wouldn't have seen past the fact that Cerberus were labeled terrorists and would have possibly done something to stop them, possibly causing Shepard to remain dead. What's better, people have to deal with grief, and Cerberus are successful, or people are put through more suffering, and Cerberus end up failing? 

I doubt Kaidan or Ashley could do anything to hurt Cerberus.

By themselves. What if they went to Anderson and Hackett though? Or the Council? Or the Shadow Broker? 

Hackett seemed willing to let Cerberus work in ME2 as I recall.  The Council doesn't care, the SB isn't powerful enough.

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...

Really? She claims to be your friend and pulls that crap.

She takes Shepard's armor and displays it like some kind of trophy. She takes DNA from Shepard and puts it on a picture frame and a glass case. What was she doing with Shepard's DNA? What use is it to her? What was she going to do with it if Shepard wasn't able to come back to life? Who gave her the right to do that?

If I'm Shepard's mother I would take my shotgun and look at her saying Embrace hot lead you piece of crap

She has mental issues. Ones that should have her in a straight jacket and thrown in a rubber room.

Maybe in the next game Bioware can add to the codex with an asterisk about the Asari that they have been known to take items and DNA from dead bodies that no one can explain.

Yeah, I have nothing more to say to inane hyperbole. 

[Abraham_uk]

The player.

No matter how many times you die, you can always reload the previous save.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

Hackett seemed willing to let Cerberus work in ME2 as I recall.

Because they're working with Shepard and he knows she hasn't been compromised and trusts her. The situation is different two years previous. 

The Council doesn't care, the SB isn't powerful enough.

Assumption and conjecture. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Not insane, inane.

[s-jay2676]

Now, we have a ''I hate Liara thread.'' I was wondering how long it would take.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Hackett seemed willing to let Cerberus work in ME2 as I recall.

Because they're working with Shepard and he knows she hasn't been compromised and trusts her. The situation is different two years previous. 

The Council doesn't care, the SB isn't powerful enough.

Assumption and conjecture. 

You mean back when they were a part of the Alliance?

The Council does not give two ****s about humanity, and they are completely unwilling to risk anything after Shepard's warnings.  Yet they will listen to someone who isn't even on their payroll, and supported Shepard.... yeah, that seems right.

The SB as I recall lost out to Cerberus.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

You mean back when they were a part of the Alliance?

Who?

The Council does not give two ****s about humanity, and they are completely unwilling to risk anything after Shepard's warnings.  Yet they will listen to someone who isn't even on their payroll, and supported Shepard.... yeah, that seems right.

Why not? Shepard's a Spectre and Cerberus are dangerous. It's in their best interests to do something about it, whilst it's not in their best interests to do anything about the Reapers because that would mean they'd lose control of the situation.

The SB as I recall lost out to Cerberus.

Once. What happens when someone who might know what Liara knows and has the drive to stop Cerberus comes to him?

To be honest though, yeah, you're right about the Shadow Broker. He did lose out, and he actually already knew Shepard was in Cerberus's possession after Liara and Feron stole her body from him. If he wanted to do something, he would have. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 juin 2013 - 09:53 .