The way T'soni is presented in the Shadow Busted dlc is she is no friend of mine. Nor will she ever be.
The worst part is Shepard can't ask her why she didn't tell anyone the body was given to Cerberus, why she took the armor and what was she doing with Shepard's DNA. Or even why the last two years she wasn't trying to find a way to stop the reapers.
Who has the most plot armor?
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 09:51
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Cerberus was a part of the Alliance military, they went rogue during the events of ME1, meaning Akuze was a sanctioned Alliance operationThe Night Mammoth wrote...
Who?Steelcan wrote...
You mean back when they were a part of the Alliance?Why not? Shepard's a Spectre and Cerberus are dangerous. It's in their best interests to do something about it, whilst it's not in their best interests to do anything about the Reapers because that would mean they'd lose control of the situation.The Council does not give two ****s about humanity, and they are completely unwilling to risk anything after Shepard's warnings. Yet they will listen to someone who isn't even on their payroll, and supported Shepard.... yeah, that seems right.
The SB as I recall lost out to Cerberus.
I'd argue it is very much in the Council's interest to work with Cerberus and fight the Reapers, but hey politicians
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 09:52
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Are people really upset with Liara because while the rest of your crew could give two sh*ts about your death and all move on, Liara cared enough to try and save you going so far as to turn you over to an alien hate group?
#154
Posté 14 juin 2013 - 09:54
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Tell me one anti-alien line anyone in power in Cerberus ever says. I'll wait.remydat wrote...
Are people really upset with Liara because while the rest of your crew could give two sh*ts about your death and all move on, Liara cared enough to try and save you going so far as to turn you over to an alien hate group?
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:03
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Okay? Wouldn't that mean Hackett and the Alliance would have more reason to get involved?Steelcan wrote...
Cerberus was a part of the Alliance military, they went rogue during the events of ME1, meaning Akuze was a sanctioned Alliance operation
So would I, but the Council is selfish.I'd argue it is very much in the Council's interest to work with Cerberus and fight the Reapers, but hey politicians
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:06
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Frick, it's a double.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:07
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Just thought I'd take a stab at the Alliance...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Okay? Wouldn't that mean Hackett and the Alliance would have more reason to get involved?Steelcan wrote...
Cerberus was a part of the Alliance military, they went rogue during the events of ME1, meaning Akuze was a sanctioned Alliance operationSo would I, but the Council is selfish.I'd argue it is very much in the Council's interest to work with Cerberus and fight the Reapers, but hey politicians
The Council is also incredibly dumb, that's also important
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:10
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http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Cerberus
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
The manifesto for Cereberus says an alien attempt at human genocide is inevitable. Cereberus employs terrorism and political assassinations as a matter of course to achieve its pro human Agenda. When your official policy is that aliens want to exterminate you and you kill any and all of them as required to ensure human interests are achieved then you are an alien hate group.
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
The manifesto for Cereberus says an alien attempt at human genocide is inevitable. Cereberus employs terrorism and political assassinations as a matter of course to achieve its pro human Agenda. When your official policy is that aliens want to exterminate you and you kill any and all of them as required to ensure human interests are achieved then you are an alien hate group.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:12
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I'm sorry is any of those a line against aliens? TIM just fought in the First Contact War, I'd say his paranoia is justified. But please show me where he hates aliens. he thinks humanity needs to assert itself, violently, in order to secure itself.remydat wrote...
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Cerberus
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
The manifesto for Cereberus says an alien attempt at human genocide is inevitable. Cereberus employs terrorism and political assassinations as a matter of course to achieve its pro human Agenda. When your official policy is that aliens want to exterminate you and you kill any and all of them as required to ensure human interests are achieved then you are an alien hate group.
Also you pulled that genocide bit out of thin air. Nowhere is that mentioned.
Modifié par Steelcan, 14 juin 2013 - 10:14 .
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:15
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Illusive Man makes a cool bad guy, but I'm not gonna try to defend him. The alien relations are the least of his problems though, in my mind. He doesn't want to assert humanity really.. he's hellbent on uplifting humanity instead. Big difference. He uses any method to speed evolution, and loses his ass for it.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:17
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Hackett.He survives even in low EMS Destroy.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:27
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Steelcan wrote...
I'm sorry is any of those a line against aliens? TIM just fought in the First Contact War, I'd say his paranoia is justified. But please show me where he hates aliens. he thinks humanity needs to assert itself, violently, in order to secure itself.remydat wrote...
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Cerberus
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
The manifesto for Cereberus says an alien attempt at human genocide is inevitable. Cereberus employs terrorism and political assassinations as a matter of course to achieve its pro human Agenda. When your official policy is that aliens want to exterminate you and you kill any and all of them as required to ensure human interests are achieved then you are an alien hate group.
Also you pulled that genocide bit out of thin air. Nowhere is that mentioned.
Did you even read the link. The very first sentence of the second link says.
Immediately following the First Contact War, an anonymous extranet manifesto warned that an alien attempt at human genocide was inevitable.
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
If I had a pro black group that warned that white people will attempt genocide against blacks and then follows that up by violence and acts fo terror against white and black people that are sympathetic to whites, they would be called a hate group.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:33
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I meant to go back and edit that.......remydat wrote...
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I'm sorry is any of those a line against aliens? TIM just fought in the First Contact War, I'd say his paranoia is justified. But please show me where he hates aliens. he thinks humanity needs to assert itself, violently, in order to secure itself.remydat wrote...
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Cerberus
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
The manifesto for Cereberus says an alien attempt at human genocide is inevitable. Cereberus employs terrorism and political assassinations as a matter of course to achieve its pro human Agenda. When your official policy is that aliens want to exterminate you and you kill any and all of them as required to ensure human interests are achieved then you are an alien hate group.
Also you pulled that genocide bit out of thin air. Nowhere is that mentioned.
Did you even read the link. The very first sentence of the second link says.
Immediately following the First Contact War, an anonymous extranet manifesto warned that an alien attempt at human genocide was inevitable.
http://masseffect.wi...ations#Cerberus
If I had a pro black group that warned that white people will attempt genocide against blacks and then follows that up by violence and acts fo terror against white and black people that are sympathetic to whites, they would be called a hate group.
Now please tell me when Cerberus kills aliens just for being aliens. They are a human-survivalist group, not an anti-alien group. An anti-alien group would be one who only seeks to kill aliens as effeciently as possible, Cerberus is more concerned with advancing humanity.
And the Turians DID prepare for an all out war with humanity. And how did that end for the krogan? oh yeah, genocide.... just saying.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:34
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Thing is, I don't see them commiting much violence towards other species (outside the Citadel invasion). They take a defensive, but antagonist stance towards aliens. TIM's main interest is uplift. Not outright attack. He turns on his own people to provide that uplift.. what he calls "sacrifices". Using sick experiments to produce super biotic children or even the attacks like Akuze, perhaps as some experiment in testing survival and resolve. He'll do anything to strengthen humanity. Even indoctrinating them with Reaper tech. That's his way of attacking aliens.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:36
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StreetMagic wrote...
Thing is, I don't see them commiting much violence towards other species (outside the Citadel invasion). They take a defensive, but antagonist stance towards aliens. TIM's main interest is uplift. Not outright attack. He turns on his own people to provide that uplift.. what he calls "sacrifices". Using sick experiments to produce super biotic children or even the attacks like Akuze, perhaps as some experiment in testing survival and resolve. He'll do anything to strengthen humanity. Even indoctrinating them with Reaper tech.
Interesting factoid, Akuze was carried out while Cerberus was still under Alliance control, meaning Akuze was an Alliance sactioned operation.
And Teltin was rogue that is made very clear.
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Posté 14 juin 2013 - 10:39
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This is totally off the subject, but I'd really wish they elaborated what the hell happened at Akuze. The way it's presented, Shep is just a survivor, but people make it out to be a big deal. So I wonder if his legend is in the fact that he/she killed a Thresher Maw. Or maybe survived "epically", like Ripley in Aliens.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 12:00
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I'd have liked some elaboration on all the background choices, particularly Ruthless and Earthborn.StreetMagic wrote...
This is totally off the subject, but I'd really wish they elaborated what the hell happened at Akuze. The way it's presented, Shep is just a survivor, but people make it out to be a big deal. So I wonder if his legend is in the fact that he/she killed a Thresher Maw. Or maybe survived "epically", like Ripley in Aliens.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 12:02
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Earthborn I could get.. I imagined Shep as a gang member/thug, just as it's displayed in the game. I used to be a stupid delinquent myself so I liked that origin. It gave Shep some edge, but left room to do some good.
The best dialogue on that front is with Miranda.. when she remarks that with all of her supposed perfect engineering, the ideal human is just some kid who grew up on the streets.
The best dialogue on that front is with Miranda.. when she remarks that with all of her supposed perfect engineering, the ideal human is just some kid who grew up on the streets.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 12:23
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You guys realize we could pick the plot to pieces in a NY minute, right?
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 12:29
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Well, if you knew someone who's friend had died and they declared they were going to bring them back from the dead, you'd think they were completely mad, and should just move on with their life.remydat wrote...
Are people really upset with Liara because while the rest of your crew could give two sh*ts about your death and all move on, Liara cared enough to try and save you going so far as to turn you over to an alien hate group?
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 12:33
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Codex says...Steelcan wrote...
I'm sorry is any of those a line against aliens? TIM just fought in the First Contact War, I'd say his paranoia is justified. But please show me where he hates aliens. he thinks humanity needs to assert itself, violently, in order to secure itself.
Also you pulled that genocide bit out of thin air. Nowhere is that mentioned.
The reclusive tycoon calling himself the Illusive Man is a human nationalist focused on advancing human interests, whatever the cost to non-humans.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 01:16
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Steelcan,
Hate groups typically have reasons to fear or target other groups beyond merely they are alien or they are black. They typically perceive people not like them as threats for political, social, or economic reasons. Cerberus is no different. Once you use terror and violence as a meand to achieve your agenda then you have crossed over.
Hate groups typically have reasons to fear or target other groups beyond merely they are alien or they are black. They typically perceive people not like them as threats for political, social, or economic reasons. Cerberus is no different. Once you use terror and violence as a meand to achieve your agenda then you have crossed over.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 01:19
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Thats all good and well in our world where stuff like the lazarus program is impossible. However when the end result of Liara moving on would have been the galaxy dying at the hands of the reapers and the creation of a human reaper then still holding it against her is pretty silly.
Thats all good and well in our world where stuff like the lazarus program is impossible. However when the end result of Liara moving on would have been the galaxy dying at the hands of the reapers and the creation of a human reaper then still holding it against her is pretty silly.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 01:21
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I don't mind that she's part of the story that way. It's how she sees Shep I have a problem with. The she tries to connect or hints at obsession. Most of the content assumes some kind of LI with Liara going on, no matter what you roleplay. If they're going to do that, just write a more linear Final Fantasy type of RPG.
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Posté 15 juin 2013 - 02:54
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That doesn't make him racist. Honestly he probably kills more humans than non-humans.Finn the Jakey wrote...
Codex says...Steelcan wrote...
I'm sorry is any of those a line against aliens? TIM just fought in the First Contact War, I'd say his paranoia is justified. But please show me where he hates aliens. he thinks humanity needs to assert itself, violently, in order to secure itself.
Also you pulled that genocide bit out of thin air. Nowhere is that mentioned.The reclusive tycoon calling himself the Illusive Man is a human nationalist focused on advancing human interests, whatever the cost to non-humans.
