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[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Thing is, I don't see them commiting much violence towards other species (outside the Citadel invasion). They take a defensive, but antagonist stance towards aliens. TIM's main interest is uplift. Not outright attack. He turns on his own people to provide that uplift.. what he calls "sacrifices". Using sick experiments to produce super biotic children or even the attacks like Akuze, perhaps as some experiment in testing survival and resolve. He'll do anything to strengthen humanity. Even indoctrinating them with Reaper tech.

Interesting factoid, Akuze was carried out while Cerberus was still under Alliance control, meaning Akuze was an Alliance sactioned operation.

And Teltin was rogue that is made very clear.

After seeing the LotSB email with Hackett denying an investigation of Shepard, I thought it'd be an interesting twist for Hackett to turn out to be associated with Cerberus.

Alas...

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Thing is, I don't see them commiting much violence towards other species (outside the Citadel invasion). They take a defensive, but antagonist stance towards aliens. TIM's main interest is uplift. Not outright attack. He turns on his own people to provide that uplift.. what he calls "sacrifices". Using sick experiments to produce super biotic children or even the attacks like Akuze, perhaps as some experiment in testing survival and resolve. He'll do anything to strengthen humanity. Even indoctrinating them with Reaper tech.

Interesting factoid, Akuze was carried out while Cerberus was still under Alliance control, meaning Akuze was an Alliance sactioned operation.

And Teltin was rogue that is made very clear.

After seeing the LotSB email with Hackett denying an investigation of Shepard, I thought it'd be an interesting twist for Hackett to turn out to be associated with Cerberus.

Alas...

Well it goes way up the chain of command if Admitral Kahoku had such difficulties finding out about them.  I'd be willing to bet Hackett's superiors, he was only a fleet admiral in ME1, had some skeletons to hide.

I'm sure General Williams donated a few bucks.

Modifié par Steelcan, 15 juin 2013 - 03:28 .

[dgcatanisiri]

remydat wrote...

Finn

Thats all good and well in our world where stuff like the lazarus program is impossible. However when the end result of Liara moving on would have been the galaxy dying at the hands of the reapers and the creation of a human reaper then still holding it against her is pretty silly. 

My question is, why did Liara have to be involved in this business in the first place? I COMPLETELY believe Cerberus seeking out Shepard's body to revive him/her all on their own, without assistance or prompting, for exactly the reasons given in game - symbolism, iconic image, someone who's proven they can stand against the Reapers... WHY did the writers decide they needed to make Liara complicit in this act? Hell, I've read Redemption, did they really even need Liara anyway? Why couldn't a Cerberus strike team have gone in to recover Shepard's body in the first place?

[David7204]

Gosh, you know, why not scrap every squadmate? Do they really need them anyway?

Modifié par David7204, 15 juin 2013 - 07:41 .

[KaiserShep]

David7204 wrote...

Gosh, you know, why not scrap every squadmate? Do they really need them anyway?

Nope. Shep is a one man/woman army. 

[Argentoid]

MegaSovereign wrote...

[insert character you don't like]

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

That doesn't make him racist.  Honestly he probably kills more humans than non-humans.

So out of curiosity, if a white person forms a group designed to protect white interests and then has a manifesto that says minorities are stealing their jobs, and murders minorities they are not a hate group provided they also murder other white people who sympathize with minorities?

Just saying.  Pretty sure most hate groups have no problem killing their own if they feel their own are not true believers.  That doesn't make them any less a hate group.

[remydat]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

My question is, why did Liara have to be involved in this business in the first place? I COMPLETELY believe Cerberus seeking out Shepard's body to revive him/her all on their own, without assistance or prompting, for exactly the reasons given in game - symbolism, iconic image, someone who's proven they can stand against the Reapers... WHY did the writers decide they needed to make Liara complicit in this act? Hell, I've read Redemption, did they really even need Liara anyway? Why couldn't a Cerberus strike team have gone in to recover Shepard's body in the first place?

Because Liara believes everything you just said Cerberus believes about Shep.   It is laughable to hate on Liara and then act like some old dude spending billions of dollars to revive Shep is somehow more understandable.  It isn't.  This bullsh*t that Shep is worth an army which is how much money was allegedly spent to revive him was just said by the writers to make TIM look less like a creepy old dude with a Shep fetish.  Liara knew Shep personally and saw him in action personally.  What's TIM's excuse?

[remydat]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Its more to do with her being obsessed with Shepard despite possibly not being romantically involved with him/her at all. 
I know it worked out for the best in the end, but its pretty creepy otherwise.

Then focus on the other things that imply that obsession exists.  Trying to use her desire to save Shep as a reason is just plain dumb.  Did you honestly think she was obsessed post ME1 and prior to the start of ME2?  Or did you play ME3, decide she was obsessed and then went back and re-interpreted previous events as evidence of obsession?  If not, I would sure like someone to make a strong case that Liara is obsessed using just ME1 and the story of her handing Shep over to Cerberus.

Modifié par remydat, 15 juin 2013 - 06:20 .

[Astartes Marine]

Liara

You actually have to try to get the writer's pet killed.  <_<

[Hazegurl]

Joker and Liara. I like Joker but he should have died in ME2 with everyone else (If shep dies). Heck he should have died in the beginning when he refused to abandon the Normandy and got Shep killed. He should have got sucked out in another explosion or at least killed himself because he couldn't handle causing the death of the Commander.

Liara. Seriously, all three games and not once is she put in a position of dying? She just so happens to not be able to join you during a suicide mission where anyone can die. i have to destroy the entire galaxy to kill her off. Oh how that plot armor is strong.

[David7204]

Liara is not a writer's pet. None of these silly accusations are plot armor. It's frankly rather depressing how desperately few people on the BSN know what the term entails.

Modifié par David7204, 15 juin 2013 - 07:16 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Hazegurl wrote...

Joker and Liara. I like Joker but he should have died in ME2 with everyone else (If shep dies). Heck he should have died in the beginning when he refused to abandon the Normandy and got Shep killed. He should have got sucked out in another explosion or at least killed himself because he couldn't handle causing the death of the Commander.

Liara. Seriously, all three games and not once is she put in a position of dying? She just so happens to not be able to join you during a suicide mission where anyone can die. i have to destroy the entire galaxy to kill her off. Oh how that plot armor is strong.

No, Joker can die. (failing linking EDI into the normandy ME2)

Liara has more of a plot shield where she just isn't written into the threatening situations.
I might actually like her more if i knew i could lose her.

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

Liara is not a writer's pet. None of these silly accusations are plot armor. It's frankly rather depressing how desperately few people on the BSN know what the term entails.

Shepard taking a direct hit to to head with a rifle without showing any form of damage is a pretty clear example of plot armour, as is taking a shotgun blast and jumping away from a shotgun blast at point blank after it fired.

[David7204]

It's not plot armor. It's not a plot shield. It's not anything.

[David7204]

Fixers0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara is not a writer's pet. None of these silly accusations are plot armor. It's frankly rather depressing how desperately few people on the BSN know what the term entails.

Shepard taking a direct hit to to head with a rifle without showing any form of damage is a pretty clear example of plot armour, as is taking a shotgun blast and jumping away from a shotgun blast at point blank after it fired.

So that's every single modern combat video game in existence, then?

That's gameplay, not story. Canonically, Shepard never gets shot in the head in the story.

Modifié par David7204, 15 juin 2013 - 07:24 .

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

That's gameplay, not story. Canonically, Shepard never gets shot in the head in the story.

Actually both examples come from the cutscenes.

[David7204]

Is that right? In what cutscene does Shepard get shot in the head?

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

Is that right? In what cutscene does Shepard get shot in the head?

Arrival, after waking, up one of the guards shoots shepard in the head.

[David7204]

That never happened.

And this is the part where you post a picture of a shot using a flycam. Flycam shots are not evidence of anything. The developers are not obligated to make every scene look good from every possible angle. That's ridiculous, and defeats the entire purpose of camerawork in the first place.

[in it for the lolz]

That dirty blue xeno scum.

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

That never happened.

And this is the part where you post a picture of a shot using a flycam. Flycam shots are not evidence of anything. The developers are not obligated to make every scene look good from every possible angle. That's ridiculous, and defeats the entire purpose of camerawork in the first place.

Actually I did, you're lying

This is from the standard camera angle everybody gets to see, you can even hear the rifle firing.

Modifié par Fixers0, 15 juin 2013 - 07:40 .

[l7986]

In my opinion Liara has the most plot armor. Hell I would've just been happy if Shepard could have at least given her the crazy eye after she said, "The next time we go to war, maybe the Alliance can spring for air support." Oh man hearing that in game just gets my blood boiling.

[Hazegurl]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Joker and Liara. I like Joker but he should have died in ME2 with everyone else (If shep dies). Heck he should have died in the beginning when he refused to abandon the Normandy and got Shep killed. He should have got sucked out in another explosion or at least killed himself because he couldn't handle causing the death of the Commander.

Liara. Seriously, all three games and not once is she put in a position of dying? She just so happens to not be able to join you during a suicide mission where anyone can die. i have to destroy the entire galaxy to kill her off. Oh how that plot armor is strong.

No, Joker can die. (failing linking EDI into the normandy ME2)

Liara has more of a plot shield where she just isn't written into the threatening situations.
I might actually like her more if i knew i could lose her.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Then I have to take Joker off my List. lol!

To the people claiming Liara has no plot armor at all:

"The Shield of Main Characterdom, affectionately referred to as the SMC (pronounced smuck), is really quite self-explanatory. It has been used in television shows and motion pictures in order to keep the
main character alive until the end of the episode/movie, allowing the writers to slack off most of the time and not have to worry about writing an original and/or interesting ending."

Liara doesn't die in ME1 even if you pick her up last and she's gone weeks with no food or water or releasing her bowels. The bad guys never think to use that big giant laser to get in to nab her thus putting her in Saren's hands. I can understand the Krogan being too stupid to use it but not the Geth.

ME2. Liara suddenly will not join you for the suicide mission where even Shep can die in.

ME3. Will only die at the very end (see above) and only if the galaxy is destoryed and/or the Reapers win.

Personally, I think ME1 would have actually been interesting if Saren could have snatched Liara if Shep doesn't go get her first. Then you would have to save her to get her onboard your ship or she could die after giving you the info if you save her too late.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 15 juin 2013 - 07:42 .