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[JasonPogo]

 I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

So first we have people that did the DR in their game.  Will the God Child be part of the story? Will anything change If the Warden, Alistair, or Logain are the father?  

If you did not do the DR there can be no God Child.  Or will they shoehorn in the fact that Morrigan found a Warden to sleep with?

then we have Witch Hunt.  Did your Warden go with Morrigan?  Will they explain where and what you did with her?  Will it even be mentioned?  

Did you kill Morrigan?  If so how is she in DA3?  Do we get another hand wave like we did with Leliana?


P.S.  I wrote this with my phone at work so sorry for spelling and grammer...

[Cutlass Jack]

Wanting to kill Morrigan and stabbing her is not the same as actually succeeding at it.

[KiwiQuiche]

Just make her act like Morrigan and have/not have the OGB according to the ritual and there shouldn't be a problem.

[Blooddrunk1004]

JasonPogo wrote...

 I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

So first we have people that did the DR in their game.  Will the God Child be part of the story? Will anything change If the Warden, Alistair, or Logain are the father?  

If you did not do the DR there can be no God Child.  Or will they shoehorn in the fact that Morrigan found a Warden to sleep with?

then we have Witch Hunt.  Did your Warden go with Morrigan?  Will they explain where and what you did with her?  Will it even be mentioned?  

Did you kill Morrigan?  If so how is she in DA3?  Do we get another hand wave like we did with Leliana?


P.S.  I wrote this with my phone at work so sorry for spelling and grammer...

You can't kill her.
The decisions says "attack her" and i seriously doubt Morrigan would die with just one stab.
We will just have to wait and see what will they do.

[TCBC_Freak]

Well, you could stab Morrigan in Which Hunt and she fall back into the mirror, as a powerful mage there is no guaranty this would kill her anyway so it's much less of a hand wave then they kind of did with Leliana.

That being said I agree with you about not seeing how they can really reconcile all the options without just ignoring All the option... after all, my warden had a relationship with her, he did the ritual and then went with her (in my head version of events, which I know means nothing; they traveled together, he shows her that love is real and powerful not weakness, he's helping her raise the child, hell they may even have had other children in the past ten years... but like I said, those are my dreams about the life they may live).

So yeah, other than just ignoring all the possible option and picking one outcome, which honestly I'm not too upset about because I do have Wardens that have made other choices, I can't imagine a way of accounting for it all even if they were to make her the most second tier character in DA:I and being a small cameo (there is no way I could see her as a party member... and if they make her a party member and a romance I'll be very upset.. I'll still get the game but I wont enjoy that part of it). In which case it's a little disingenuous to have her be a focal of the trailer.

Edit: I was ninja-ed about the, 'she may not be dead' bit, lol

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 14 juin 2013 - 01:32 .

[frostajulie]

I mean this with all dinkness aside

Bioware does not care if they ****** off a bunch of fans. Gaider himself siad he was gong to do just that when he violated fanfiction with his trailer. When the Leiliana thing got real big he was pretty dang firm if it helped the story player choice would be ignored. Bioware has repeatedly said this is their game and their story, fans will just deal with it. Or not. Bioware don't care. Your wardens choices that differ from the story- thats just AU fanfiction.

[Jaison1986]

All I know people will be royally pissed if they have to kill her because she turn into an mustache twirling villain without apparent reason. I hope the players are giving an chance to convince her to side with them. And no doubt, some players will wish closure to her romance with the Warden.

[Sanunes]

frostajulie wrote...

I mean this with all dinkness aside

Bioware does not care if they ****** off a bunch of fans. Gaider himself siad he was gong to do just that when he violated fanfiction with his trailer. When the Leiliana thing got real big he was pretty dang firm if it helped the story player choice would be ignored. Bioware has repeatedly said this is their game and their story, fans will just deal with it. Or not. Bioware don't care. Your wardens choices that differ from the story- thats just AU fanfiction.

Fanfiction is something that almost always does have to be ignored otherwise sequels will be impossible to do, for they will violate someone's fanfiction somewhere, heck Gaider has also said that what happens in the books doesn't take place during the game either for its his canon, not ours.

As far as Morrigan goes using her isn't that big of a deal if they don't reference the situation with the Old God Baby and if it did happen who it was.  A lot of the content involving Morrigan our protagionist shouldn't know about because it involved The Warden and not The Inquisitor.

[Cutlass Jack]

'violating fanfiction?' How exactly does one do that?

What happens outside the game in someone's head isn't something the Developers ever need to worry about.

[LPPrince]

Jaison1986 wrote...

All I know people will be royally pissed if they have to kill her because she turn into an mustache twirling villain without apparent reason. I hope the players are giving an chance to convince her to side with them. And no doubt, some players will wish closure to her romance with the Warden.

I don't think we have to worry about Morrigan being a villain.

If anything, I think the plan is to say Morrigan and Flemeth knew this was coming(the events of DA:I) from even before DA:O, and that Flemeth's plan to send Morrigan away with The Warden and have her end up with the Old God Baby was a way to prevent or at least in some way fight back against whatever's going on in this upcoming game.

I doubt the OGB's gonna be fighting at about 11-12 years old but then take a look at Arya Stark. hahaha

But really(not thinking he's gonna fight at 12 years old), I just think the OGB(if it exists for a player) is going to be a positive against the fight with any big bads.

[Little Princess Peach]

I like how people seem to forget the DA:O epilogue where she goes to Orlais and try's looking for fresh warden blood

[Jaison1986]

Tharja wrote...

I like how people seem to forget the DA:O epilogue where she goes to Orlais and try's looking for fresh warden blood

Something I aways found pointless. What's the point of doing that if there is no archdemon around?

[mousestalker]

They sell Morrigan bobble head dolls in game.

[Daralii]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Tharja wrote...

I like how people seem to forget the DA:O epilogue where she goes to Orlais and try's looking for fresh warden blood

Something I aways found pointless. What's the point of doing that if there is no archdemon around?

Because there are still two to go.

[frostajulie]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

'violating fanfiction?' How exactly does one do that?

What happens outside the game in someone's head isn't something the Developers ever need to worry about.

Hey violating fanfiction was Gaiders term not mine and if I understood correctly within the context of the statement simply meant anything that contradicts what the company does with the character in the future is fanfiction. But more importantly the reason he made such a statement was that he was well arare that regardless of what the team did with Morrigan a large group of fans would get pissed and that just does not factor into the decision making process.

I will add "nor should it."

[GodWood]

Tharja wrote...
I like how people seem to forget the DA:O epilogue where she goes to Orlais and try's looking for fresh warden blood

No it doesn't.

"Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court."

[Rahelron]

JasonPogo wrote...

 I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

So first we have people that did the DR in their game.  Will the God Child be part of the story? Will anything change If the Warden, Alistair, or Logain are the father?  

If you did not do the DR there can be no God Child.  Or will they shoehorn in the fact that Morrigan found a Warden to sleep with?

They will do that. And by the way during DAO's ending was clearly stated that Morrigan was seen travelling west and that it looked like she was pregnant, even if you didn't do the DR with her. I don't know if this is a bug or what, what I know is that if the developers need the GodChild then they will find a way to put it in.

then we have Witch Hunt.  Did your Warden go with Morrigan?  Will they explain where and what you did with her?  Will it even be mentioned?  

Did you kill Morrigan?  If so how is she in DA3?  Do we get another hand wave like we did with Leliana?
P.S.  I wrote this with my phone at work so sorry for spelling and grammer...

Yeah, I'm wondering that too. And what if the warden had gone with her and the developers decided that Morrigan had to be an available love interest in DAI? What if the warden had gone with her and Morrigan ended up being an enemy of the player in DAI? Should you fight the warden with your new character? It is really a mess.

[Ieldra]

frostajulie wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

'violating fanfiction?' How exactly does one do that?

What happens outside the game in someone's head isn't something the Developers ever need to worry about.

Hey violating fanfiction was Gaiders term not mine and if I understood correctly within the context of the statement simply meant anything that contradicts what the company does with the character in the future is fanfiction. But more importantly the reason he made such a statement was that he was well arare that regardless of what the team did with Morrigan a large group of fans would get pissed and that just does not factor into the decision making process.

I will add "nor should it."

Well, he's right. If anything you do with her - including nothing - pisses off a large group of fans, then it's best to do things the way you think is best and not worry about the rest. 

I just hope I won't have a reason to be as pissed off about Morrigan in DAI as about Miranda in ME3. Should be easy this time: don't make her a villain, that's all I ask.

@Edit:
Nobody killed Morrigan. Some people wounded her. The only divergence they need to take into account is "ritual or no ritual".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 juin 2013 - 02:36 .

[LPPrince]

Well, if you engaged in romance with Morrigan and bedded her, regardless of whether you did the Dark Ritual or not, ending slides say she left pregnant.

I don't know how the game will treat that case, as I'm sure its not a likely one. It'll probably assume she wasn't pregnant, since The Dark Ritual isn't going to be forced on players unless the devs change their minds from last time we heard of it till release.

[GodWood]

Rahelron wrote...
They will do that. And by the way during DAO's ending was clearly stated that Morrigan was seen travelling west and that it looked like she was pregnant, even if you didn't do the DR with her.

If you didn't do the DR yet still had sex with her at some point in the game the slide says she's possibly pregnant (as opposed to the DR slide which says she's definitely pregnant)

If you never slept with Morrigan then she is not pregnant. 

I don't know if this is a bug or what, what I know is that if the developers need the GodChild then they will find a way to put it in.

They have already explicitly stated that this will not happen.

If a player did the DR the OGB exists. If a player didn't do the DR then OGB doesn't exist.

Simple.

[Androme]

 OGB should be canonized, but won't be. I hope she plays the role of a guide, along with the Warden if he/she is alive. Hawke could have a more active role.

[Wulfram]

Considering she approves of murdering elves for blood magic, I'd say she's potential villain material.

Though I doubt Bioware would do it.  Edit:  Though I do hope they preserve some sort of ambiguity about her.

@LPPrince Wasn't the existance of the non-OGB baby confirmed in Witch Hunt? They'd be willing to retcon the slide if convenient I reckon, but actual in game dialogue is more difficult to ignore.

Modifié par Wulfram, 14 juin 2013 - 03:18 .

[Daralii]

Wulfram wrote...

Considering she approves of murdering elves for blood magic, I'd say she's potential villain material.

Though I doubt Bioware would do it

@LPPrince Wasn't the existance of the non-OGB baby confirmed in Witch Hunt? They'd be willing to retcon the slide if convenient I reckon, but actual in game dialogue is more difficult to ignore.

If the Warden slept with her, she might be pregnant with a non-demigod baby. If not, nothing.

[Patchwork]

I doubt the OGB is ever going to play a major role in any DA game. If the import says the player did the DR then the kid might get a cameo or mentioned by his mother or grandmother.
Corypheus probably survives Legacy so there's a canon villain capable of controlling both darkspawn and the grey wardens without invalidating the DR choice.