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[Herr Uhl]

Morrigan is almost a mustache twirling villain in DAO. She is egotistical and sadistic to the extreme.

[Who is that Masked Man]

Ser Bard wrote...

I doubt the OGB is ever going to play a major role in any DA game. If the import says the player did the DR then the kid might get a cameo or mentioned by his mother or grandmother.
Corypheus probably survives Legacy so there's a canon villain capable of controlling both darkspawn and the grey wardens without invalidating the DR choice.

I you killed Wrex, Wreav. If not, Wrex has a fairly big role in the later games.

If you refused the ritual, Corypheus (or whoever). If you went along with it, the Old God Baby can still be a lot more than a cameo. 

[eyesheild21]

Rahelron wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

 I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

So first we have people that did the DR in their game.  Will the God Child be part of the story? Will anything change If the Warden, Alistair, or Logain are the father?  

If you did not do the DR there can be no God Child.  Or will they shoehorn in the fact that Morrigan found a Warden to sleep with?

They will do that. And by the way during DAO's ending was clearly stated that Morrigan was seen travelling west and that it looked like she was pregnant, even if you didn't do the DR with her. I don't know if this is a bug or what, what I know is that if the developers need the GodChild then they will find a way to put it in.

then we have Witch Hunt.  Did your Warden go with Morrigan?  Will they explain where and what you did with her?  Will it even be mentioned?  

Did you kill Morrigan?  If so how is she in DA3?  Do we get another hand wave like we did with Leliana?
P.S.  I wrote this with my phone at work so sorry for spelling and grammer...

Yeah, I'm wondering that too. And what if the warden had gone with her and the developers decided that Morrigan had to be an available love interest in DAI? What if the warden had gone with her and Morrigan ended up being an enemy of the player in DAI? Should you fight the warden with your new character? It is really a mess.

If they turn morrigan into a villain and The warden is at her side no matter what I feel sorry for the player in DAI.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

'violating fanfiction?' How exactly does one do that?

What happens outside the game in someone's head isn't something the Developers ever need to worry about.

I don't even get how 'violating fanfiction' even got into this thread. XD Or was that poster suggesting fanfic writers will be the prime candidates, if not the sole culprits, for being pissed off?

[azarhal]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Morrigan is almost a mustache twirling villain in DAO. She is egotistical and sadistic to the extreme.

She's missing the mustache you know...

Although, it wouldn't surprise me if she manipulated the Inquisitor for her own end, that's all she did in DAO...

[garrusfan1]

you never see her die. or they could do the If you strike me down I will only get stronger.

[Herr Uhl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I don't even get how 'violating fanfiction' even got into this thread. XD Or was that poster suggesting fanfic writers will be the prime candidates, if not the sole culprits, for being pissed off?

There was the guy that gave World of Thedas a scathing review on Amazon because it didn't confirm his headcanon.

Many hissyfits will be had.

[LPPrince]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I don't even get how 'violating fanfiction' even got into this thread. XD Or was that poster suggesting fanfic writers will be the prime candidates, if not the sole culprits, for being pissed off?

There was the guy that gave World of Thedas a scathing review on Amazon because it didn't confirm his headcanon.

Many hissyfits will be had.

Now THAT I need to read. The review, I mean.

[Sylvianus]

Well, I could accept that Morrigan becomes a villain one day, even if she is my LI. Because in DAO, well,... she was not really an angel. Everything is ambiguous with her.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 14 juin 2013 - 07:35 .

[sandalisthemaker]

frostajulie wrote...

I mean this with all dinkness aside

Bioware does not care if they ****** off a bunch of fans. Gaider himself siad he was gong to do just that when he violated fanfiction with his trailer. When the Leiliana thing got real big he was pretty dang firm if it helped the story player choice would be ignored. Bioware has repeatedly said this is their game and their story, fans will just deal with it. Or not. Bioware don't care. Your wardens choices that differ from the story- thats just AU fanfiction.

It is their story to tell.
We players are just along for the ride. There are certain elements that we can choose *within* each respective game, but as far as which choices *carry on throughout the series* is entirely Bioware's choice. If every possible option that the player has was followed through, there would have to be several completely different sequels and many diverging versions of Thedas. This is of course impossible for the writers to do.
Be happy that you have some choices to begin with. I am.

[nihiliste]

It seems like a small thing to get upset about. In RPGs like this with lots of divergent paths, to have any kind of continuity of story, some of the many possible timelines that may be seen as less interesting for the future exploration of the world - that doesn't mean that they didn't matter in the original game you played, it just means that future games might have to explore a different possible timeline and different version of events. They did this with BG2 (choosing companions to start the game with, bringing back Xzar, etc) and sure it may not have reflected your BG1 playthrough, but big deal, they needed a starting point to build another epic story off of.

As long as we're not railroaded too much in game (DA2), I have no problem with Bioware choosing certain more canonical paths as a starting point for each game. The alternatives are going the Elder Scrolls route where whatever you did before doesn't matter anyways because its so far removed, or ending the series.

[Ieldra]

Sylvianus wrote...
Well, I could accept that Morrigan becomes a vilain one day, even if she is my LI. Because in DAO, well,... she was not really an angel. Everything is ambiguous with her.

And she should stay that way. I hate this insistence that everyone has to fall squarely on one side of the fence in the end. I find the ambiguous people are the most interesting, every single time, and every single time they become less interesting if they change away from that.

[Nightwing99]

about the OGB and the identity of the father

Alistair as the father is the Most interesting option why ! dragon age: until we sleep spoilers

With Alistair as the Father the kid will not only has the spirit of a old God in him, but King Calenhad dragon's blood in his veins

Modifié par Nightwing99, 14 juin 2013 - 04:06 .

[Patchwork]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

I doubt the OGB is ever going to play a major role in any DA game. If the import says the player did the DR then the kid might get a cameo or mentioned by his mother or grandmother.
Corypheus probably survives Legacy so there's a canon villain capable of controlling both darkspawn and the grey wardens without invalidating the DR choice.

I you killed Wrex, Wreav. If not, Wrex has a fairly big role in the later games.

If you refused the ritual, Corypheus (or whoever). If you went along with it, the Old God Baby can still be a lot more than a cameo.

That sounds like a good compromise. 

Modifié par Ser Bard, 14 juin 2013 - 04:07 .

[MassPredator]

Morrigan is a great character, glad to see her coming back, also i hope i can see my warden and Hawke as NPC, maybe party members.....

[Sylvianus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
Well, I could accept that Morrigan becomes a vilain one day, even if she is my LI. Because in DAO, well,... she was not really an angel. Everything is ambiguous with her.

And she should stay that way. I hate this insistence that everyone has to fall squarely on one side of the fence in the end. I find the ambiguous people are the most interesting, every single time, and every single time they become less interesting if they change away from that.

Agreed. Well I do hope she won't become a villain to be honest.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 14 juin 2013 - 07:35 .

[Brockololly]

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't understand why people would be upset? The game should change depending on the choices the player has made. If people's choices are accurately represented then I don't see why people will be upset about this.

I think thats the crux of the issue- will BioWare spend the necessary resources, be they time or manpower, to create that unique and exclusive content that reacts to how you interacted with Morrigan in Origins? Or will they handwave away your past choices regarding Morrigan by railroading her to some common point for everyone and downplay any  reasonably expected consequences from past interactions, like the Warden or the OGB?


I'd be ok if they basically had Morrigan act in an NPC function, basically with her acting as a guide of some sort to the Inquisitor. Maybe like Chambers in Mass Effect or some similar sort of NPC role. I'm thinking of it this way:

Your PC Inquisitor has some sort of home base/castle. You get this early on and in the course of the main quest, you get an Eluvian or part of an Eluvian that gets set up in your base. And then voila, you see Morrigan through the Eluvian, where she can talk to the PC and give the PC information about the world at large and what's going on. Since she's been in Eluvian Land she's gotten more powerful and has a more omniscient view of the conflicts going on in Thedas, thus allowing her to maybe dispense backstory lore or give out quests and such.

Keeping her out of the picture directly that way means they could still accomodate the various states she could be in at the end of Origins. If you romanced her and had your Warden go along with her, she could namedrop your Warden's last name (Cousland, Aeducan, etc...) and mention that he is there with her. And they could treat the OGB or regular child the same way. They can basically stay off screen but via reference still seem relevent as a consequence to your actions in Origins as opposed to having your Warden killed off via plot device or the OGB plot hammered away.

Maybe then Morrigan or the OGB takes on a more active role in the game towards the end, with that being where you'd potentially see some diverging and unique content and consequences? Again, it depends on whether BioWare is willing to make exclusive content where you can experience the consequences to one's actions within the game, something they've never been big on.


Basically, keep Morrigan (and any old companion for that matter) to the periphery. New game with new protagonist should mean new characters, not trying to shoehorn in old characters. The appeal of bringing back old characters would be in interacting with them again via the relevant old PC whether its Hawke or the Warden, not necessarily some new guy with no connection to them. Keeping them to ther periphery and only using them when absolutely necessary makes any cameos or appearance feel more meaningful as opposed to just having a revolving door of cameos and 4th wall breaking winks at the player.

[ejoslin]

Daralii wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Considering she approves of murdering elves for blood magic, I'd say she's potential villain material.

Though I doubt Bioware would do it

@LPPrince Wasn't the existance of the non-OGB baby confirmed in Witch Hunt? They'd be willing to retcon the slide if convenient I reckon, but actual in game dialogue is more difficult to ignore.

If the Warden slept with her, she might be pregnant with a non-demigod baby. If not, nothing.

No, I'm 99% sure that Morrigan mentions the son in Witch Hunt if the warden had ever had sex with her, even if the warden had not done the DR.  That would make WH making the pregnancy canon.

I hope there's a difference between OGB and not-OGB and no baby at all.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 juin 2013 - 04:56 .

[Tarek]

its good to have such a strong independent character I say

she has her own agenda player be damned

its refreshing

[SamFlagg]

I think the real question boils down to, is there a way to not ****** off the fans who loved Morrigan if it turns out not that she is suddenly an evil mastermind, but if in fact she has merely been a pawn the entire time unwittingly playing right into Flemeth's will.

(Which I'm at a loss to think that it is at all possible that anyone wouldn't see that as the most likely possibility.)

[Sylvianus]

Yep. That's what they did with Leliana.

[rueless]

I find other people's perception of DA:O characters fascinating.It is a testament to the richness of that game. In all of my playthroughs, Morrigan walks the line of self-interest (at best) and is a duplicitous biotch at her worst. She is a villain already- to anyone who doesn't agree with her motivations- and is righteous and lovely to all of those who do.

That said, there are a few assumptions of which I am fairly confident where Morrigan is concerned:
1) she won't be a companion
2) she will make very vague references to the warden no matter what choices were made in DA:O or witch hunt
3) she will be motivated by self-interest and therefore morally ambiguous (ie: not a villain, but certainly not a nice girl)