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[Sylvianus]

Filament wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Yep. That's what they did with Leliana.

And it was wonderful. Yes I am saying they should ignore the 'why is sister nightingale a mage-hating ultrabigot' posts for an off-comment about the danger of mage freedom, and the posts from people who don't understand that the finishing blow animations are not to be taken as canon, as a small minority of the small minority who actually brought her along and killed her during the sacred ashes quest. Aside from those few posts and the people who just hated everything about DA2 and added that to the pile, it worked out fine what they did with the character. They didn't even mess up her face.

Nope, I wouldn't say it was wonderful. Quite awful to be honest, and regardless of the controversy it sparked with her fans. Bioware has better do better than that even if I agree that they can write as " it pleases " them.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 14 juin 2013 - 08:34 .

[Reznore57]

I'm not sure Morrigan is a villain ...
She's still pretty sad about what she's doing in DA , the whole betrayal annoys her if she's friend with the warden.

And she's totally creepy in Witch Hunt with her " changes is what set people free".

I have a whole Anders vibe going on here , sacrifice for the greater good etc...
I wouldn't be surprised to discover that Morrigan is trying to preserve magic in Thedas , even if it means veil tearing etc...

WOuld be fun if this time around , Flemeth send us to kill Morrigan.
And obviously both of them are manipulating the hell out of our pc.

[Daralii]

You should keep in mind that Morrigan was close to the Warden, and that's it. I doubt she'll see Quizzy as anything more than a tool, probably treating him/her more like the imprisoned elves in Denerim than the player.

I'm expecting ****y Morrigan more than "I think of you like a sister" Morrigan.

Modifié par Daralii, 14 juin 2013 - 05:53 .

[Gallimatia]

ejoslin wrote...

No, I'm 99% sure that Morrigan mentions the son in Witch Hunt if the warden had ever had sex with her, even if the warden had not done the DR.  That would make WH making the pregnancy canon.

I hope there's a difference between OGB and not-OGB and no baby at all.

She does and some of the dialogue suggests there is a difference.

Morrigan: There is one last thing I must tell you, if you will allow me. Your son... is safe.
Warden: My son?! I refused your ritual!
Morrigan: Not all children are born through sorcery Warden.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 14 juin 2013 - 07:01 .

[Ieldra]

Reznore57 wrote...
She's still pretty sad about what she's doing in DA , the whole betrayal annoys her if she's friend with the warden.

What betrayal? I never felt betrayed by her!

And she's totally creepy in Witch Hunt with her " changes is what set people free".

Well, she's right. Unchanging conditions can become a prison, making you unable to adapt. Most people don't actually want the kind of freedom Morrigan's speaking about. They want stability much more.

I have a whole Anders vibe going on here , sacrifice for the greater good etc...
I wouldn't be surprised to discover that Morrigan is trying to preserve magic in Thedas , even if it means veil tearing etc...

That would be nicely controversial. If so, let's hope they won't go all-out in portraying the long-term side effects of the tearing of the Veil. As I said in my ending thread, the destruction of civilization on Thedas would be a too high price to pay. I'd hate to see that and the preservation of magic mutually exclusive.

[TexasToast712]

 Im willing to bet a survey of people would show that the majority of fans DID the Dark Ritual with Morrigan and didnt try to kill her. Still no excuse to ignore it though.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 14 juin 2013 - 08:33 .

[David Gaider]

JasonPogo wrote...
I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

Possibly, depending on how certain they are that their headcanon is inviolable.

The different possible states that Morrigan could be in will be recognized (as in: there is no "old god baby" if the Warden never did the Dark Ritual). Whether that recognition matches expectations depends on the person.

Personally, I just run on the assumption that everyone with a lot of investment will be upset and thus not spend my time worrying about what might or might not fly for some-- Morrigan is in DAI to be part of DAI's plot first, not to spend all her time referencing two games ago.

[Steelcan]

I'm just curious what the differences will be between a DA:O Morrigan romance with Witch Hunt and without.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I am too actually. I remember there was an import bug regarding Morrigan's affection status and epilogue going into Awakening. I'm worried if that will somehow affect the story going into DA 3.

[Browneye_Vamp84]

I'm thinking she got angry at my Warden who romanced her but didn't agree to the ritual (I think and both were a mage). I'm doing another play through where I romance her and the ritual. I worried about what bugs import will affect the plot in DAI.

[David Gaider]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I am too actually. I remember there was an import bug regarding Morrigan's affection status and epilogue going into Awakening. I'm worried if that will somehow affect the story going into DA 3.

We have a solution to the garbage-in-garbage-out import issues. We'll talk about that at some point.

[Browneye_Vamp84]

David Gaider wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I am too actually. I remember there was an import bug regarding Morrigan's affection status and epilogue going into Awakening. I'm worried if that will somehow affect the story going into DA 3.

We have a solution to the garbage-in-garbage-out import issues. We'll talk about that at some point.

[Mr.House]

Um you never could kill Morrigan. You could stab her yes, but she fell threw the mirror when that happen. You didn't have a body to check if she died or anything.

[Beerfish]

Although some people don't favor it. I like the idea of no imports at all however a short cutscene or story board type of thing at the beginning of the game reviewing major decisions from previous games and letting the player choose what has occurred previously. You don't have to worry about plot bugs from previous games, you don;t have to worry about cross platform imports etc.

[Steelcan]

Beerfish wrote...

Although some people don't favor it. I like the idea of no imports at all however a short cutscene or story board type of thing at the beginning of the game reviewing major decisions from previous games and letting the player choose what has occurred previously. You don't have to worry about plot bugs from previous games, you don;t have to worry about cross platform imports etc.

This is probably the right way to go.

[Angrywolves]

Some people thought they killed her. shrugs. I think she'll be an npc, provide guidance in this " riftwar", props to Raymond Feist btw, and that's it .No we won't see OGB.

[Guns]

I've never chosen the old god baby on a single playthrough. The whole Grey Warden philosophy is to abandon your old life, for the sake of destroying the darkspawn, so others don't have to.

Sacrifice. And my character does sacrifice every time... or Alistair does >.>

My point is if the OGB is made canon and intricate in the plot, I probably will be sitting out Dragon Age 3 as well.

[Welsh Inferno]

Guns wrote...

My point is if the OGB is made canon and intricate in the plot, I probably will be sitting out Dragon Age 3 as well.

Its not.


OT: I'm not gonna get my hopes up on how I think Morrigan will be like in Inquisition. Hopefully I can simply then just enjoy her content without looking to criticise it instantly.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 14 juin 2013 - 10:59 .

[Sister Goldring]

 I think that we as fans have to approach the reappearance of beloved past characters with a degree of trust.  I guess what I mean is that we have to accept that the people who created the character have a great understanding of their creations nature and probably a pretty clear idea about what caused the attachment to that character in the fan base (if only because people have told them over and over again why they liked them).  I think we have to be open to the author taking that person on the journey that they have imagined for them and having them fulfill their role in the story trusting that it's probably going to be OK - different than we imagined but we'll enjoy the ride.

I keep thinking of 'A song of fire and ice' here because if GRR Martin had of conformed to my idea of his characters fortunes you'd have Brienne happily married to Jamie, Rob Stark ruling Westeros with Daenerys and hardly a corpse to be found anywhere......and a vastly inferior story that even I wouldn't have enjoyed as much.

That's just my rather long winded take on it anyway.  

[Saraphial]

As far as I'm concerned, I really don't think there is any continuity in which Morrigan is actually dead. Yes you can stab her in the attempt to kill her in the Witch Hunt DLC, but you never actually see her die, she just falls back into the mirror which leads to an unknown place. Plus, she is a mage, so it would probably be very possible for her to at least somewhat heal herself.

She was always one of my favorites though, so regardless, I'll be glad to have her back, especially to see how the OGB (or lack thereof) pans out.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, there is no continuity with a dead Morrigan, going into DA:I.

The option to attack her is just that- to attack her. Says so itself.

Even the Murder Knife isn't infallible.

[devSin]

David Gaider wrote...

We have a solution to the garbage-in-garbage-out import issues. We'll talk about that at some point.

A working solution, or is it still just ideas and theories?

Filament wrote...

Hmm... what kind of solution would fix bugs in a previous game's import flags, aside from an import comic/checklist, I wonder?

The same sort of solution that will let you import data across different platforms.

They've hinted all along that old saves won't necessarily matter, assuming their ideas for not having to deal with crappy import data pan out.

I'm not sure about the checklist, though (hopefully it won't be some trashy comic sequence). The choices in the past have been a lot more varied (and interdependent), so it would have to really be detailed to be of any use (or they would just decide that only a few very key decisions will matter).

Modifié par devSin, 15 juin 2013 - 01:13 .

[The_11thDoctor]

Just including her and giving me my Claudia Black fix is enough to not ****** me off. Im happy at this point as long as its not a brief cameo

[Runningleaf]

How can you have or not have a child?

I don't see how any character that is central to a game can have or not have a child, unless... how long has passed since origins?

Regardless, if she is present much then it would be easiest to have her have a child and change whatever explanation she gives for it. If she bothered to explain at all. Warden, old god. some guy she met on her way to Orlais,

If she isn't around, it doesn't matter though.