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[LPPrince]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Plus,

*Non-customized Warden shows up, is there for a while*

"I am The Grey Warden that saved Denerim in 9:28 Dragon Age"

Player-"WHAT!? THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE MY WARDEN, ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT RACE, LORD!"

*customization opens up*

Player-"Oh great, now I have to recreate my Warden from 5 years ago in a completely new engine in the middle of a game when I should be watching cutscenes and KILLING THINGS! GREAT, CHARACTER CREATION, JUST WHAT I WANTED TO DO THIS FAR IN."

*insert any version of frustration here*

In shorts, gamers are spoiled, whiny ****s.
Go figure.

Or rather, some gamers don't want their suspension of disbelief exceeded by the unbelievable, nor would some gamers want the flow of their game interrupted by forced, out of their control, sudden character creation in the middle of gameplay.

[ANGRYWOLF1]

or vice versa.

[TheRevanchist]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

I mean this with all dinkness aside

Bioware does not care if they ****** off a bunch of fans. Gaider himself siad he was gong to do just that when he violated fanfiction with his trailer. When the Leiliana thing got real big he was pretty dang firm if it helped the story player choice would be ignored. Bioware has repeatedly said this is their game and their story, fans will just deal with it. Or not. Bioware don't care. Your wardens choices that differ from the story- thats just AU fanfiction.

One wonders then, why give players the choice to kill important charcters if they needed them later?

This is exactly my thoughts, if the developers are just going to ignore any and all choices we make whenever it suits them...why bother giving us choices at all? just make everything linear so it remains cohearent. I despise inconsistency in all forms. I despise the concept of seemingly important choices being ignored "Cuz story". If this is the path the developer wants to walk that's fine...just stop making it inconsistent for me. If your going to force me to experience a canon OGB (which I don't want) then don't give me the option to reject it...that's just pure stupidity. What is the purpose of chooseing to reject it if you never know how that turned out? I'm not a fan of just "head-cannoning" my own ideas...I like living by official canon, but this design path makes an official canon impossible because things are always inconsistent for the player unless they "head-canon" their own ideas...which as I said I don't like doing. So personally Bioware...if this is the path you want to walk? That's fine...just stop giving me meaningless choices.

[TheLastArchivist]

What I find most odd in Dragon Age is that the Order of the Grey Wardens is not worried about trying to find a cure for the taint as a means to end all Blights, but an apostate and a darkspawn emissary are.

Morrigan has found a clear way to purify an Old God from the taint. Her ritual works and, because it doesn't shield the offspring from exposition to the taint through contact with darkspawn, could result in an eighth Archdemon to be fought in the future.

As to the Architect, his method is atrocious, of slower progress and has cost dozens of lives due to his experimentations, but it shows promise.
Maybe in a few years time, much before Thedas is in danger of another Blight, most of the darkspawn will retain their sanity, even bearing the taint in their blood.
Therefore, should the sixth Archdemon awaken, it's likely the darkspawn will be fractured in two armies: one lead by the Architect, fighting alongside the Wardens, and one still under the control of the Archdemon.

I wonder if Morrigan's child will have some significant part to play in all this...in Witch's Hunt, she DID say the child knew nothing of its own destiny. So it leads to the conclusion that whatever happens to the Old God, it may come to affect the fate of Thedas and, who knows, the darkspawn as a whole.

Maybe it will reverse the taint? Undo the corruption that Wardens and darkspawn have to bear?

[TheButterflyEffect]

As long as everyone in the game doesn't treat her like she's prettier/hotter than the PC..

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 23 juin 2013 - 05:58 .

[LPPrince]

All it is is a bunch of maybes.

[Ieldra]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

I mean this with all dinkness aside

Bioware does not care if they ****** off a bunch of fans. Gaider himself siad he was gong to do just that when he violated fanfiction with his trailer. When the Leiliana thing got real big he was pretty dang firm if it helped the story player choice would be ignored. Bioware has repeatedly said this is their game and their story, fans will just deal with it. Or not. Bioware don't care. Your wardens choices that differ from the story- thats just AU fanfiction.

One wonders then, why give players the choice to kill important charcters if they needed them later?

Because they didn't know at the time they were going to need them? It was a mistake from their POV to make Leliana's death nonrefutable in DAO, as opposed to how they dealt with Morrigan in WItch Hunt. The idea is that they don't want to be bound by past mistakes.

Also, Leliana's death isn't really important in its own right, unlike Alistair's, or Morrigan's if she could die. Retconning her death has no impact at all on the bigger picture.

So I'm ok with it. I would find it much harder to accept decisions being retconned that would be likely to affect the bigger picture, such as "Alistair is King of Ferelden". 

As for Morrigan, I won't be pissed off if...
(a)...Morrigan isn't a villain
(...OGB isn't rendered non-canonical
©...Morrigan doesn't die canonically in DAI

Should be easy, except that grey characters like her tend to get the "turn into a  villain and die or be completely brainwashedreformed (with optional death for redemption)" treatment. I hate it every single time.  

[Ieldra]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
As long as everyone in the game doesn't treat her like she's prettier/hotter than the PC..

So you're jealous of a fictional character on behalf of another fictional character.

[Taint Master]

David Gaider wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...
I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

Possibly, depending on how certain they are that their headcanon is inviolable.

The different possible states that Morrigan could be in will be recognized (as in: there is no "old god baby" if the Warden never did the Dark Ritual). Whether that recognition matches expectations depends on the person.

Personally, I just run on the assumption that everyone with a lot of investment will be upset and thus not spend my time worrying about what might or might not fly for some-- Morrigan is in DAI to be part of DAI's plot first, not to spend all her time referencing two games ago.

Wouldn't it be simpler to just canonize the events of DAO and go from there?  It worked fine in KOTOR/SWTOR.

[I Like Cats And]

All they really need to do is stay true to what the player's import is, so knowing Bioware's writing everyone's screwed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LPPrince wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Plus,

*Non-customized Warden shows up, is there for a while*

"I am The Grey Warden that saved Denerim in 9:28 Dragon Age"

Player-"WHAT!? THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE MY WARDEN, ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT RACE, LORD!"

*customization opens up*

Player-"Oh great, now I have to recreate my Warden from 5 years ago in a completely new engine in the middle of a game when I should be watching cutscenes and KILLING THINGS! GREAT, CHARACTER CREATION, JUST WHAT I WANTED TO DO THIS FAR IN."

*insert any version of frustration here*

In shorts, gamers are spoiled, whiny ****s.
Go figure.

Or rather, some gamers don't want their suspension of disbelief exceeded by the unbelievable, nor would some gamers want the flow of their game interrupted by forced, out of their control, sudden character creation in the middle of gameplay.

Gamers have a tendency to whime and aks for the impossible, not thinking about difficulties or getting it.

I mean, HOW do you re-create your Warden in a new engine?

You can't really import. So you'll either have to re-create the face at SOME point...or not how it. And no matter what you do, people will whine.

[panamakira]

It's an impossible task to keep everybody happy, specially with such a big character like Morrigan (whether you love her or hate her) but I think BW should be fine as long as they remember the different circumstances in people's saves from DA:O.

Otherwise it is gonna be a hot mess.

[Taint Master]

panamakira wrote...

It's an impossible task to keep everybody happy, specially with such a big character like Morrigan (whether you love her or hate her)

Who hates Morrigan?!

[azarhal]

Taint Master wrote...

panamakira wrote...

It's an impossible task to keep everybody happy, specially with such a big character like Morrigan (whether you love her or hate her)

Who hates Morrigan?!

I do, sort of (I like that the character exist, like people can like a good villain). I never trusted her (or her mother for that matter).  She's a bit too power hungry for me.

[Plaintiff]

I suspect that by "most of the fans", you mean "most of the people who post here", to which I would say "Who the hell cares? That's less than one percent of the people that are likely to buy the game"

[Little Princess Peach]

it was strange, I dislike her and yet I was happy to she her :/

[TheRevanchist]

LegendofKirkwall wrote...

What I find most odd in Dragon Age is that the Order of the Grey Wardens is not worried about trying to find a cure for the taint as a means to end all Blights, but an apostate and a darkspawn emissary are.

Morrigan has found a clear way to purify an Old God from the taint. Her ritual works and, because it doesn't shield the offspring from exposition to the taint through contact with darkspawn, could result in an eighth Archdemon to be fought in the future.

As to the Architect, his method is atrocious, of slower progress and has cost dozens of lives due to his experimentations, but it shows promise.
Maybe in a few years time, much before Thedas is in danger of another Blight, most of the darkspawn will retain their sanity, even bearing the taint in their blood.
Therefore, should the sixth Archdemon awaken, it's likely the darkspawn will be fractured in two armies: one lead by the Architect, fighting alongside the Wardens, and one still under the control of the Archdemon.

I wonder if Morrigan's child will have some significant part to play in all this...in Witch's Hunt, she DID say the child knew nothing of its own destiny. So it leads to the conclusion that whatever happens to the Old God, it may come to affect the fate of Thedas and, who knows, the darkspawn as a whole.

Maybe it will reverse the taint? Undo the corruption that Wardens and darkspawn have to bear?

Just curious... but you DO know that the Architect's plan also includes forcing every citizen of Thedas to basically undergo The Joining in order to make them immune to the Taint? Knowing that the Joining has like a 90% fatality rating...and makes the survivors nearly infertile...just think about how much "promise" that shows.

[Nightdragon8]

David Gaider wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I am too actually. I remember there was an import bug regarding Morrigan's affection status and epilogue going into Awakening. I'm worried if that will somehow affect the story going into DA 3.

We have a solution to the garbage-in-garbage-out import issues. We'll talk about that at some point.

I think I know what you are going to do like what happened with ME2, doing a memory check of sorts. However, maybe with Varric telling the story... I coudl see it working like that =) I aprove

I mean he does know "The story of the Warden" as well as the Champions.

He is more like a Bard now at this point it seems.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 23 juin 2013 - 12:35 .

[TheRevanchist]

Taint Master wrote...

panamakira wrote...

It's an impossible task to keep everybody happy, specially with such a big character like Morrigan (whether you love her or hate her)

Who hates Morrigan?!

I hate her with the passion of a million suns...just throwing that out there.

[Divine Justinia V]

kylecouch wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

panamakira wrote...

It's an impossible task to keep everybody happy, specially with such a big character like Morrigan (whether you love her or hate her)

Who hates Morrigan?!

I hate her with the passion of a million suns...just throwing that out there.

The only way I can like Morrigan is if she isn't in the party, otherwise her constant need to make sarcastic remarks and what not just gets really annoying.

I was relieved/excited to see her in the trailer though, I do enjoy her character.

[Milan92]

Taint Master wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...
I was just wondering this today.  No matter whT Bioware dose with her a bunch of people will get upset.

Possibly, depending on how certain they are that their headcanon is inviolable.

The different possible states that Morrigan could be in will be recognized (as in: there is no "old god baby" if the Warden never did the Dark Ritual). Whether that recognition matches expectations depends on the person.

Personally, I just run on the assumption that everyone with a lot of investment will be upset and thus not spend my time worrying about what might or might not fly for some-- Morrigan is in DAI to be part of DAI's plot first, not to spend all her time referencing two games ago.

Wouldn't it be simpler to just canonize the events of DAO and go from there?  It worked fine in KOTOR/SWTOR.

No no no, bad idea, bad idea.

[Angrywolves]

There will be a lot of people upset with various facits of the game anyway. I expect to lol a lot.

[Ieldra]

Angrywolves wrote...
There will be a lot of people upset with various facits of the game anyway. I expect to lol a lot.

Turning Morrigan into a villain or completely brainwashingreforming her would be a big disappointment, but thankfully I'm not quite as insanely invested in DA as I had been in ME, so DAI can't burn me that hard.

[BlueMagitek]

Well, I mean, Morrigan did advocate for basically every "evil" act in DA:O, insisted that you kill her mother based on her word alone (who had saved your life and the life of your companion), withholds what is rather vital knowledge from the PC to help manipulate him to take her offer up, and then made rather terrible arguments as to why you should accept her offer.

[In Exile]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Well, I mean, Morrigan did advocate for basically every "evil" act in DA:O, insisted that you kill her mother based on her word alone (who had saved your life and the life of your companion), withholds what is rather vital knowledge from the PC to help manipulate him to take her offer up, and then made rather terrible arguments as to why you should accept her offer.

That's just her sucking at being manipulative, but honestly, every person I've bet IRL that talks up being manipulative is comically bad at it.