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[Salaya]

So, I guess we could assume by David Gaider post that the reference to Origins is unimportant, and Morrigan will be there to mesmerize us as part of the marvellous Inquisition plot (ahem).

I'm certain that Morrigan issue will be extremely disappointing. Given BW past experiences with this kind of problems, it probably wouldn't matter what we did in the "old and forgettable" Dragon Age: Origins: five seconds of reference in a dialogue and a clonic, or irrelevant output in game flow.

I wonder why the devs continue to disregard Origins as something to forget. Last time they tried to do that, Dragon Effect 2 happened.

Modifié par Salaya, 24 juin 2013 - 09:52 .

[Salaya]

Sorry, double post.

Modifié par Salaya, 24 juin 2013 - 09:51 .

[TheRevanchist]

Salaya wrote...

So, I guess we could assume by David Gaider post that the reference to Origins is unimportant, and Morrigan will be there to mesmerize us as part of the marvellous Inquisition plot (ahem).

I'm certain that Morrigan issue will be extremely disappointing. Given BW past experiences with this kind of problems, it probably wouldn't matter what we did in the "old and forgettable" Dragon Age: Origins: five seconds of reference in a dialogue and a clonic, or irrelevant output in game flow.

I wonder why the devs continue to disregard Origins as something to forget. Last time they tried to do that, Dragon Effect 2 happened.

lol...the sad part is...this is actually kinda true. most DAO choices seem irrelevant to Bioware...and DA2 provided almost zero choices to worry about. idk maybe it's for the best considering how ME3 turned out. But they do seem to act like DAO is the bastard child they don't want to acknowledge, as if they are ashamed. Honestly the only reason I still own the garbage that is DA2 is -because- it's related to DAO. If DA2 was some random game from a different IP, it woulda went back to the store right after I finished it. The fact that it IS DA is the only reason It's still in my house. I don't hate Hawke like everyone else seems to, despite my hatred of DA2. I blame Hawke's character on the overall shoddy product.

[TheLastArchivist]

Someone asked what would happen in DA3 if the Warden never performed the Dark Ritual. It's intriguing to think of the implications of this.

Bioware has a habit of "filling gaps" in the plot by coming up with alternative versions of the same phenomenon. All those who played Mass Effect 3 experienced it in full scale.

There are numerous examples of this strategy: [SPOILERS] Wreav replaces Wrex if you killed him in the first game, a hologram replaces Legion if he died in the second game, Padok Wiks replaces Mordin if he died in ME2, another Krogan replaces Grunt, asf.[/SPOILERS]

I believe that's what they'll be trying with Inquisition, though how this will be done requires a large dose of speculation and fantastic extrapolation. Somehow, if it's not Morrigan and your Warden who did the Dark Ritual, then another character, maybe another daughter from Flemmeth, will have found a way to preserve the soul of an Old God in the past. And this child, now an adult, will only reveal itself now.

This is highly unlikely, of course, not to mention far-fetched. The idea behind this extrapolation, however, is that this is just one of the possible "filling gaps" strategy that Bioware loves to use.

Or it could be something much simpler: Morrigan herself is a child generated by Flemmeth through a Dark Ritual and will herself fulfill a destiny in Inquisition as the vessel on an Old God.
That's another possibility if we accept the fact that Flemmeth is actually an Old God herself, something which Bioware has left in suspense so far.

What we DO know is that Flemmeth seems to be some sort of Broodmother for the Old Gods, in the sense that, according to the Chasind legends, she produced many daughters, but they all "mysteriously" disappeared. Remember Yavanna from Silent Grove? There could be many daughters of Flemmeth, and all of them set loose in the world to fulfill a specific agenda.

Now, this is pretty interesting. The Old Gods always stay hidden, don't they? Perhaps not to be found by the darkspawn and become tainted? Flemmeth certainly goes out of her way not to be near any civilization.
Even Anders, who is pretty reclusive in DA2, doesn't go live so far from civilization as she does. And in Fenris' words, she's not a mage, nor an abomination. She could very well be the byproduct of a Dark Ritual that her own mother performed. Thus her ability to retain human form and change to dragon form whenever she wants.
And the reason why her and Morrigan weren't affected at all by the proximity with darkspawn during the events in DA:O. Perhaps the Dark Ritual grants some protection to the soul of the Old God that we are not aware of?

Either way, Flemmeth's reason for existence and how she knew about the Dark Ritual's power to purify an Old God have so far not been revealed. All one can do is wildly speculate. But I just hope she stops speaking in riddles all the time, a habit her lovely daughter picked up as we saw in the Fires Above trailer and Witch Hunt DLC, and begins making sense in DA3.

Modifié par LegendofKirkwall, 25 juin 2013 - 05:06 .

[TheInquisitor]

David Gaider wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I am too actually. I remember there was an import bug regarding Morrigan's affection status and epilogue going into Awakening. I'm worried if that will somehow affect the story going into DA 3.

We have a solution to the garbage-in-garbage-out import issues. We'll talk about that at some point.

You have to have the save import though, come on. Re-choosing your choices in a comic style thing just isn't the same.

[Eveangaline]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...
Btw I'm really loving the "f*** all those Ultimate Sacrifice people, OGB is kewl make it canon!" thing going on <.<

I don't want the damn OGB in my game, that's exactly WHY I chose the Ultimate Sacrifice. but why am I wasting my breath? this is BSN, aka "My opinion is fact, screw anyone who disagrees." 

of course I already know the response I'll get. "More ppl picked the DR than US so its the smart thing to do" and blah blah... Idc who picked what more...the choice was given for a reason...if they pull a Collector Base with the OGB choice then I'm just done with this franchise, likewise if they just write off a choice they provided because "oooo OGB is kewl!" 

The problem here is that from a storytelling viewpoint, the OGB is to cool to just ignore, while from the RP viewpoint, forcing it into the story is like hitting people like you over the head, but if it's non canon, then the consequences will likely be minimal, which is unsatisfying from a storytelling point of view.

There isn't really a good way to resolve that with little effort in resources. I wish they'll spend the resources to make the differences significant, unlike ME2's CB decision, but I'm afraid - since DG already said the OGB isn't canon and that DAI will focus on its own plot - that the OGB decision will be largely insignificant. And that would be a shame.

Speak for yourself. I never thought that idea sounded interesting. I see absolutely no shame in it being insignificant.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 25 juin 2013 - 06:15 .

[stuboy52]

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Personally i think considering we have a new main protagonist all i would expect is brief reference to warden and morri depending on the save. That said i think people need to except that Inquisition is another chapter which will reference other choices, but isn't necessary for the overall main story progression. I'm happy with small references but want to have the inquisitor not be powerless because of those choices which the OGB given its implications would mean.

That said the OGB it was one of many possible ways to tackle Origins and therefore it would not be fair to make it canon. Again nice to have a reference too but not necessary and of course as the quote above suggests raging is inevitable from some players, though i wont be one of them as i trust the writers and devs will find a good compromise.

[Azaron Nightblade]

stuboy52 wrote...

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Personally i think considering we have a new main protagonist all i would expect is brief reference to warden and morri depending on the save.

Some small reference would be nice, yeah - and hopefully without wrecking everything from the first game, AKA the Warden and Hawke have bit the dust and Morrigan/Leliana/Isabela are now romanceable by the inquisitor after a mandatory line or two about how the new hero reminds them about the Warden/Hawke.

[stuboy52]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

stuboy52 wrote...

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Personally i think considering we have a new main protagonist all i would expect is brief reference to warden and morri depending on the save.

Some small reference would be nice, yeah - and hopefully without wrecking everything from the first game, AKA the Warden and Hawke have bit the dust and Morrigan/Leliana/Isabela are now romanceable by the inquisitor after a mandatory line or two about how the new hero reminds them about the Warden/Hawke.

This i like:)

Yeah i think that they should be mentioned and its safe to say no matter your choices leliana/morri will have some sizable role. Only romanceable if they didnt romance the warden(imagine how much flame armour the writers would need from angry fans overwise). So yeah strikes a good balance between respecting old decisions but given the inquisitor the spotlight.

[Azaron Nightblade]

stuboy52 wrote...

Yeah i think that they should be mentioned and its safe to say no matter your choices leliana/morri will have some sizable role. Only romanceable if they didnt romance the warden(imagine how much flame armour the writers would need from angry fans overwise). So yeah strikes a good balance between respecting old decisions but given the inquisitor the spotlight.

I think they would have to contact Tony Stark and ask if they can borrow the majority of his suits. 

[stuboy52]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

stuboy52 wrote...

Yeah i think that they should be mentioned and its safe to say no matter your choices leliana/morri will have some sizable role. Only romanceable if they didnt romance the warden(imagine how much flame armour the writers would need from angry fans overwise). So yeah strikes a good balance between respecting old decisions but given the inquisitor the spotlight.

I think they would have to contact Tony Stark and ask if they can borrow the majority of his suits. 

It makes perfect sense now, the inquisitor is tony stark with plenty of flame and plot armour to go around.

[Medhia Nox]

I loathe Morrigan - she's my second least favorite Dragon Age character.

And I'm not "pissed". Maybe a little eye rolling and a snide: "of course". But not pissed.

Even if she has the OGB in a little stroller - I won't be pissed, even though I'd never consent to her idiocy just for the sake of what I see as craven survival and cowardice. Again - another eye roll - and I'll go on playing the game.

Now - if she takes over the third act of the game while I play bystander and the game ends without me reacting to the stuff she does in the third act. I'll probably rage quit on Bioware - but, they'd never do that again I hope.

Though - I dunno, something about Morrigan hating Anders would be particularly awesome.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 juin 2013 - 07:41 .

[Eveangaline]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Though - I dunno, something about Morrigan hating Anders would be particularly awesome.

Why would she? Seems like blowing up a chantry is something she'd approve of