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[Androme]

 No, but defenitely a minority.

[Nerevar-as]

hhh89 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
In the Chantry. If it´s a curse and punishment to humanity, then the rules are also Maker made.
Anyway, I don´t allow souls destroyed in any game I play unless the alternative is 100% sure to be worse. A result of reading the Elric saga I think.

Technically, the Maker is supposed to have created the taint in the magister, not the archdemons (who are 'created' by the darskpawn). The fact that to kill the archdemons a mortal tainted soul has to be sacrificed isn't necessarily related to the Maker, since the other darkspawn dies quite easily. It might be related to the nature of the Old Gods.

The Maker (if the Chantry version is right) is supposed to be all powerful, all knowledge and all that ****. Which when you look at the state of the world, it can only be explained by such God being quite the jerk.

Of course, there might not be any Maker and be just the way of Nature in Thedas. One way or the other, I´m willing to give the OG a chance to be itself (Tevinter cult are not exactly the best references, but it would not be the first god to be used as an excuse for atrocities. Now had it been Dumat....). If it screws up, it can be dealt with then.

[Angrywolves]

OGB is in all of my saves. I never turn down the DR. I hope we see him in DA4. Not in this game.

[Uccio]

Some of you people are weird. Who wouldn´t want impregnate Morrigan?? And as a plus your Warden´s kid is literally going to be a God. Hows that for a career for Wardens ofspring?

[TheBlackAdder13]

Androme wrote...

 No, but defenitely a minority.

Where are your stats to back this up? 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 14 juin 2013 - 10:07 .

[Uccio]

Oh right, forgot about them.

Modifié par Ukki, 14 juin 2013 - 10:08 .

[M-Taylor]

Ukki wrote...

Some of you people are weird. Who wouldn´t want impregnate Morrigan?? And as a plus your Warden´s kid is literally going to be a God. Hows that for a career for Wardens ofspring?

>.>

Really? Ngl it proper feels like people ignore lore. For all intents and purposes, the lore surronding the Old Gods is nearly always presented negatively. Of course, there's gunna be some bias because of the presenters (Chantry dislike of both mages and the Imperium).

But really, I don't see how releasing a ****ing God into the hands of someone like Morrigan is a good idea haha. Don't get me wrong, I love Morrigan as a character. But I wouldn't trust her with powerful ****, in the same way I love my cat but wouldn't give it a nuclear weapon. >.>

The Ritual just seemed way too dodgey to be a good thing in the long run. Dodgey person, dodgey god and dodgey methood.


As you can guess, my canon Warden did not do the Dark Ritual. He romanced Morrigan though, so she got preggers anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if they just merged that into the Old God baby story line with very minor differences. >.>

Modifié par M-Taylor, 14 juin 2013 - 10:36 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Yes.

My warden slept with her. How could he pass it up? She is sexy and he gets to live. Win, win.

[tanisha__unknown]

TK514 wrote...

I wouldn't trust Morrigan to raise a normal baby, much less one with who-knows-what-powers.

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[Mike 9987]

Probably not. But my cannon warden did the dark ritual.

[Runningleaf]

Nerevar-as wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
In the Chantry. If it´s a curse and punishment to humanity, then the rules are also Maker made.
Anyway, I don´t allow souls destroyed in any game I play unless the alternative is 100% sure to be worse. A result of reading the Elric saga I think.

Technically, the Maker is supposed to have created the taint in the magister, not the archdemons (who are 'created' by the darskpawn). The fact that to kill the archdemons a mortal tainted soul has to be sacrificed isn't necessarily related to the Maker, since the other darkspawn dies quite easily. It might be related to the nature of the Old Gods.

The Maker (if the Chantry version is right) is supposed to be all powerful, all knowledge and all that ****. Which when you look at the state of the world, it can only be explained by such God being quite the jerk.

Of course, there might not be any Maker and be just the way of Nature in Thedas. One way or the other, I´m willing to give the OG a chance to be itself (Tevinter cult are not exactly the best references, but it would not be the first god to be used as an excuse for atrocities. Now had it been Dumat....). If it screws up, it can be dealt with then.

My first warden was Dalish, and becamed convinced that "the maker" was Fen'harel. The humans a creation of that god created to plague Elves. And the dark spawn created when humans ceased to be "fun" or angered him.
The old Gods (of Tevinter) could simply be powerfull dragons.

Also the whole soul distruction thing seemed more evil to her. What was meant  by essence was never defined.

[EnerPrime]

I love how people assume that if you, Alistair or Wardenised Logain don't sleep with Morrigan that the OGB cannot possibly exist.

Do any of you really believe Flemeth and Morrigan have no other plans to catch an old god's soul if they really want one? That their whole big scheme relies exclusively on a Warden agreeing to get horizontal with Morrigan? Flemeth is centuries old and really good at coming up with plans. Why would you ever believe that she would come up with a plan that can be permanently foiled by one mortal saying 'no'?

I would be perfectly fine with finding out the OGB exists regardless, and that the DAO heroes only got offered the DR because it was the easiest plan and it had personal incentive for you. Heck, it would explain why Morrigan leaves if you say no. She has to get her backup plan set up to catch the OG soul AFTER you or your sidekick Warden of choice get killed.

[Runningleaf]

EnerPrime wrote...

I love how people assume that if you, Alistair or Wardenised Logain don't sleep with Morrigan that the OGB cannot possibly exist.

Do any of you really believe Flemeth and Morrigan have no other plans to catch an old god's soul if they really want one? That their whole big scheme relies exclusively on a Warden agreeing to get horizontal with Morrigan? Flemeth is centuries old and really good at coming up with plans. Why would you ever believe that she would come up with a plan that can be permanently foiled by one mortal saying 'no'?

I would be perfectly fine with finding out the OGB exists regardless, and that the DAO heroes only got offered the DR because it was the easiest plan and it had personal incentive for you. Heck, it would explain why Morrigan leaves if you say no. She has to get her backup plan set up to catch the OG soul AFTER you or your sidekick Warden of choice get killed.

We do come across several phylactery's holding ancient beings of varied sorts. perhaps she knew how to catch the old god in one of those? Getting it out again in a usefull way may prove...  difficult.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

EnerPrime wrote...

I love how people assume that if you, Alistair or Wardenised Logain don't sleep with Morrigan that the OGB cannot possibly exist.

Do any of you really believe Flemeth and Morrigan have no other plans to catch an old god's soul if they really want one? That their whole big scheme relies exclusively on a Warden agreeing to get horizontal with Morrigan? Flemeth is centuries old and really good at coming up with plans. Why would you ever believe that she would come up with a plan that can be permanently foiled by one mortal saying 'no'?

I would be perfectly fine with finding out the OGB exists regardless, and that the DAO heroes only got offered the DR because it was the easiest plan and it had personal incentive for you. Heck, it would explain why Morrigan leaves if you say no. She has to get her backup plan set up to catch the OG soul AFTER you or your sidekick Warden of choice get killed.

The problem is that the essence of the Old God is said to be destroyed if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice. If this is true, it means that when a Warden dies in this manner, doing so puts the Old God past whatever backup plan you're envisioning.

[Angrywolves]

I do agre that Flemeth would have a back up plan she gave to Morrigan .
Power used unwisely can be desructive. More likely the OGB has no idea of his power and is not being raised by Morrigan herself but by proxies. Likely the OGB only sees Aunt Morrigan every once in a while and believes the proxies are its real parents.

[EnerPrime]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

EnerPrime wrote...

I love how people assume that if you, Alistair or Wardenised Logain don't sleep with Morrigan that the OGB cannot possibly exist.

Do any of you really believe Flemeth and Morrigan have no other plans to catch an old god's soul if they really want one? That their whole big scheme relies exclusively on a Warden agreeing to get horizontal with Morrigan? Flemeth is centuries old and really good at coming up with plans. Why would you ever believe that she would come up with a plan that can be permanently foiled by one mortal saying 'no'?

I would be perfectly fine with finding out the OGB exists regardless, and that the DAO heroes only got offered the DR because it was the easiest plan and it had personal incentive for you. Heck, it would explain why Morrigan leaves if you say no. She has to get her backup plan set up to catch the OG soul AFTER you or your sidekick Warden of choice get killed.

The problem is that the essence of the Old God is said to be destroyed if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice. If this is true, it means that when a Warden dies in this manner, doing so puts the Old God past whatever backup plan you're envisioning.

But if that was an insurmountable obstacle, the DR wouldn't work in the first place. The whole 'destroyed essence' problem is one that has to be be surmounted even if you do the ritual, and it'd not impossible that there's a way to do that without saving the Warden.

After all, it's not like the OGB has to be related to you for you to survive. The PC Warden strikes the last blow no matter what if you do the DR, and it saves you even if Alistair of Logain did the deed. Perhaps the DR, if performed with a non-warden, still snags the Archdemon's essence, but not before the Grey Warden's soul is fried.

The lore around the DR and the Archdemons/Old gods is by no means complete or definitive. There's plenty of wiggle room for Morrigan to get the OGB without thw PC Warden's knowlege or consent.

[Lazy Jer]

David Gaider wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

No. And Gaider already said clearly that OGB is not cannon.

OGB cannon?

If that's what Morrigan's kid looks like I'm never touching her again.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

EnerPrime wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The problem is that the essence of the Old God is said to be destroyed if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice. If this is true, it means that when a Warden dies in this manner, doing so puts the Old God past whatever backup plan you're envisioning.

But if that was an insurmountable obstacle, the DR wouldn't work in the first place. The whole 'destroyed essence' problem is one that has to be be surmounted even if you do the ritual, and it'd not impossible that there's a way to do that without saving the Warden.

Except that the destruction of the essence is said to both result from and cause the death of the Warden it was trapped in. The way the ritual surmounts that problem is by sidestepping it, not by correcting it after the fact. If you think Morrigan is lying, fine, but if she's giving the Warden anything like the truth, it's too late once the Warden dies.

After all, it's not like the OGB has to be related to you for you to survive. The PC Warden strikes the last blow no matter what if you do the DR, and it saves you even if Alistair of Logain did the deed.

I am uncertain how this is relevant to the point we're disputing.

Perhaps the DR, if performed with a non-warden, still snags the Archdemon's essence, but not before the Grey Warden's soul is fried.

If the explanation we are given for why this works is anything close to true, there is nothing to snag after the Warden's soul is fried. Furthermore, that same explanation also precludes doing the ritual with a non-Warden to any effect whatsoever.

The lore around the DR and the Archdemons/Old gods is by no means complete or definitive. There's plenty of wiggle room for Morrigan to get the OGB without thw PC Warden's knowlege or consent.

The problem is that if Morrigan's explanation is correct, that wiggle room pretty much vanishes if the Warden pulls a US.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 15 juin 2013 - 02:01 .

[wiccame]

I always wondered why my blood mage couldn't convince Morrigan to give her the ritual and do it herself.

[Angrywolves]

Doesn't mean Gaider won't change his mind later. I like having an OGB in the game.