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[kinderschlager]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Some Wardens do. She is quick to abandon you, regardless of friendship, if you turn her down though. What a nice friend.

I don't know what time it is where you are, but its 2:20 here, I stopped being serious hours before I went on a gif posting spree.

She definately has her own reasons for helping the Warden.  That said the DR was a mutually beneficial event.  The Warden got to live and Morrigan got her kid.  And for those who romanced her....

Unless you make Alistair/Loghain do it. It's even worse if it's Alistair, considering all the implications of Maric's dragon blood and the rumours about Fiona.

Zazzerka wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Some Wardens do. She is quick to abandon you, regardless of friendship, if you turn her down though. What a nice friend.

Luckily, that scene doesn't exist in metagaming.

#bffs4lyfe

Unfortunetly metagaming isn't canon. My mage was very unimpressed with her and swore a lot about it

DEVS have confirmed that nothing in the books is canon, the bolded stuff doesn't exist in-game

Modifié par kinderschlager, 15 juin 2013 - 08:14 .

[kinderschlager]

Lazy Jer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

If Morrigan does have her potential spawn save the world, I hope it takes a leaf out of her book and kills her.

You couldn't kill Morrigan with a leaf...you'd need a sword or a lot of magic spells or something.

I was dissapointed there wasn't a "Go to hell! *Shank repeatedly* option in Witch Hunt. You figured the Warden would stab her a few dozen times to make sure.

But you have to admit, Flemeth's family isn't very good in the "not kill other family members, especially mum" department.

I can only imagine what Thanksgiving or Christmas is like in that family.

"So, mother, you feel entitled to the last slice of pumpkin pie, did you?  And you think I'll just allow you to take it?"

"Allow me to answer with another cryptic joke."

"Never!"

(magical battle ensues, OGB steals last slice during ensuing chaos, any wardens who went into the mirror with Morrigan wish they'd gone to his parents this year)

wait, what?!?! you can go into the mirror?!?! when did that choice present itself?!?!<_<

[brushyourteeth]

kinderschlager wrote...


DEVS have confirmed that nothing in the books is canon, the bolded stuff doesn't exist in-game

The two books that act as prequels to DA:O are complete canon (which means that Flemeth wanted her hands on Maric's dragon blood no matter what, so Alistair definitely has it too), while "Asunder" and the DA comics are one version of the way the story could go, with some elements being malleable to player's choices in the games but still likely to manifest in some way or other.

For instance, if Wynne doesn't survive your DA:O playthrough and the devs decide to incorporate the events of "Asunder" into any future games, everything will be explained and introduced in the game in such a way that a knowledge of the book isn't required, and Wynne's absence will either effect the outcome or another agent would have been appointed to take her place in that adventure.

Some DA fans hold strictly to the "It didn't happen in my game and I don't want to read the extra materials so it didn't happen" philosophy. That's... not realistic. Two books are hard canon, and the rest of the material still has some meat that you can expect to see on the dinner table in one form or another later.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 15 juin 2013 - 08:23 .

[Uccio]

Lazy Jer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Some of you people are weird. Who wouldn´t want impregnate Morrigan?? ?

Probably people that don't like being manipulated

Indeed.

Especially if you turn her down, she just leaves on the eve of battle. As my Warden told her, you ungrateful b!tch.

Honestly, I'm with Ukki.  Morrigan gets a kid, I get to live, and the soul of the archdemon gets another chance at life free from the taint that corrupted it as the big ugly dragon.  Even better if the Warden pops off with Morrigan.  Her leaving on the eve of battle would be frustrating (I've never not done the ritual myself) but it could be explained as more then just being ungrateful.

Morrigan's view of life has always been about survival.  Over the course of traveling with the Warden she learned to care about him (at least in my playthroughs).  Now Morrigan tells him there's a way that he can save both his and Alistair's life.  Seeing him turn it down might cause her to leave partially because she doesn't want to see him die.  I'm not saying that Morrigan isn't self-interested, she is.  But at this point there can be more than one reason for this stuff.

Yep. All of my Wardens had one goal, to survive. None of them had this überhero attitude and willingness to kill themselves.
City elf, dalish elf, castless dwarf, noble dwarf, circle mage, human noble, all of them wanted to live on and find a place for them in the world after the archdemon´s fall. Not to mention most of them came from surroundings where they had been treated like crap (city elf, castless dwarf, circle mage) most of their life so they had extra chip on their shoulders for the society and didn´t want to die for it. They were only thrown into situation without change to choose otherwise.
However, since all of them were friends with Alistair none wanted to get him killed either. And all of them romanced Morrigan so the decision was easy.
It was obvious that she had ulterior motive to do the DR but so what? Warden gets to live and that is what counts. Besides it is equally possible that Morrigan wanted the OGB to destroy Flemeth´s plans, nothing indicates that she is working with Flemeth. And since my Warden went with her through the eluvian he can keep eye on the kid.

[KiwiQuiche]

kinderschlager wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Some Wardens do. She is quick to abandon you, regardless of friendship, if you turn her down though. What a nice friend.

I don't know what time it is where you are, but its 2:20 here, I stopped being serious hours before I went on a gif posting spree.

She definately has her own reasons for helping the Warden.  That said the DR was a mutually beneficial event.  The Warden got to live and Morrigan got her kid.  And for those who romanced her....

Unless you make Alistair/Loghain do it. It's even worse if it's Alistair, considering all the implications of Maric's dragon blood and the rumours about Fiona.

Zazzerka wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Some Wardens do. She is quick to abandon you, regardless of friendship, if you turn her down though. What a nice friend.

Luckily, that scene doesn't exist in metagaming.

#bffs4lyfe

Unfortunetly metagaming isn't canon. My mage was very unimpressed with her and swore a lot about it

DEVS have confirmed that nothing in the books is canon, the bolded stuff doesn't exist in-game

...yeah I'm aware of that.

But they also said if you did those things in the book it is a canon, there isn't A canon, but different versions.

[Lazy Jer]

kinderschlager wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

If Morrigan does have her potential spawn save the world, I hope it takes a leaf out of her book and kills her.

You couldn't kill Morrigan with a leaf...you'd need a sword or a lot of magic spells or something.

I was dissapointed there wasn't a "Go to hell! *Shank repeatedly* option in Witch Hunt. You figured the Warden would stab her a few dozen times to make sure.

But you have to admit, Flemeth's family isn't very good in the "not kill other family members, especially mum" department.

I can only imagine what Thanksgiving or Christmas is like in that family.

"So, mother, you feel entitled to the last slice of pumpkin pie, did you?  And you think I'll just allow you to take it?"

"Allow me to answer with another cryptic joke."

"Never!"

(magical battle ensues, OGB steals last slice during ensuing chaos, any wardens who went into the mirror with Morrigan wish they'd gone to his parents this year)

wait, what?!?! you can go into the mirror?!?! when did that choice present itself?!?!<_<

Seriously?  I think all you have to do is (a) romance Morrigan and ( go through with the ritual.

[brushyourteeth]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Unless you make Alistair/Loghain do it. It's even worse if it's Alistair, considering all the implications of Maric's dragon blood and the rumours about Fiona.

DEVS have confirmed that nothing in the books is canon, the bolded stuff doesn't exist in-game

...yeah I'm aware of that.

But they also said if you did those things in the book it is a canon, there isn't A canon, but different versions.

Technically you're still right, because "The Stolen Throne" (in which we find out that Maric promises Flemeth a favor *cough*blood*cough*) and "The Calling" (in which Maric and Fiona get together) are both canon. My understanding is that it's only the stuff that happens after DA:O that's iffy, and even then the writers can rework it as they please.

You probably already knew that -- but I'm just backing you up.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 15 juin 2013 - 08:45 .

[KiwiQuiche]

brushyourteeth wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Unless you make Alistair/Loghain do it. It's even worse if it's Alistair, considering all the implications of Maric's dragon blood and the rumours about Fiona.

DEVS have confirmed that nothing in the books is canon, the bolded stuff doesn't exist in-game

...yeah I'm aware of that.

But they also said if you did those things in the book it is a canon, there isn't A canon, but different versions.

Technically you're still right, because "The Stolen Throne" (in which we find out that Maric promises Flemeth a favor *cough*blood*cough*) and "The Calling" (in which Maric and Fiona get together) are both canon. My understanding is that it's only the stuff that happens after DA:O that's iffy, and even then the writers can rework it as they please.

You probably already knew that -- but I'm just backing you up.

It's one of the reasons why I'm iffy about letting Morrigan get her hands onto Alistair; considering his blood and all.

[Ieldra]

Eh...one poster says the events in the books aren't canon, the next one agrees and goes on to say that they are canon? What's this? Did the events in the books happen or not? This is not like the consequences of a game decision, where things can happen for one player but not the next.

As for implications about Alistair, there are none. There are suggestions, which means that the writers are free to use them or not.

[Zandilar]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

The dingo didn't eat the baby, it's mother killed it.

I'm sorry.

Of course the Aussie corrects the kiwi(?)

Maker damned Australian. I should have known.

But I'm not sure about Morrigan's current status; I hope she isn't a companion though. I don't want any returning companions.

Actually... Zazzerka is wrong.

In 2012, the coroner of the Northern Territory amended Azaria Chamberlain's death certificate to show that she was, indeed, taken by a dingo.

ObOT: My main Warden (female elf mage) ticked Alistair off by recruiting Loghain for the wardens. Then she refused to allow Morrigan to do the DR and sent Loghain to his death against the Archdemon.

I haven't played Witch Hunt yet, but I am about to reinstall Origins to do another full playthrough.

Modifié par Zandilar, 15 juin 2013 - 11:01 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Eh...one poster says the events in the books aren't canon, the next one agrees and goes on to say that they are canon? What's this? Did the events in the books happen or not? This is not like the consequences of a game decision, where things can happen for one player but not the next.

The events of the book happen in games they're compatible with. Otherwise, they'll happen differently or not at all, depending on the differences between the playthrough in question and the events implied to have happened in-game by the books.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Zazzerka wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Unfortunetly metagaming isn't canon. My mage was very unimpressed with her and swore a lot about it

I've had someone pork her in every playthrough. I have this weird obsession with living.. funny that.

Funny, I have the same one. Although mine didn't stop me from sacrificing both Alistair and Loghain once each.

[Runningleaf]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Technically you're still right, because "The Stolen Throne" (in which we find out that Maric promises Flemeth a favor *cough*blood*cough*) and "The Calling" (in which Maric and Fiona get together) are both canon. My understanding is that it's only the stuff that happens after DA:O that's iffy, and even then the writers can rework it as they please.

You probably already knew that -- but I'm just backing you up.

It's one of the reasons why I'm iffy about letting Morrigan get her hands onto Alistair; considering his blood and all.

How would your warden know about Alistar having dragon blood?

And Sten is a good guy? (from earlyer post) I liked him, at the end but really I had to streatch my mind to recrute that baby killer (if you can recruite you usually should). the only regret he ever showed was how his actions let down the Qun. He was more upset over his sword. Once that was back all was hunky-dorry.

Again I liked Sten, but... Morrigan total evil and Sten a good guy? Sten was an adult warrior, set in stone (Or the Qun) but Morrigan was young, and to a degree maliable. there were time that, once a friend, you could get her not to hate a niceness you did.

Also, if Flemeth wanted Morrigan to bed Alistar all along, it could be one reason she hated him so much so fast.
Just sayin'

[l7986]

Hmm I've got OGB for almost every play through as all it takes is Morrigan's voice to convince me to do it. But then again you could have a broodmother with Claudia Black's voice and I'd probably have an OGB with it.

[LRonmark]

l7986 wrote...

Hmm I've got OGB for almost every play through....

same here - and as an adult he suddenly woke up in that city called Helgen...  

[Direwolf0294]

I didn't do it. Bringing the anti-christ into the world seemed like a bad idea.

[KiwiQuiche]

Runningleaf wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Technically you're still right, because "The Stolen Throne" (in which we find out that Maric promises Flemeth a favor *cough*blood*cough*) and "The Calling" (in which Maric and Fiona get together) are both canon. My understanding is that it's only the stuff that happens after DA:O that's iffy, and even then the writers can rework it as they please.

You probably already knew that -- but I'm just backing you up.

It's one of the reasons why I'm iffy about letting Morrigan get her hands onto Alistair; considering his blood and all.

How would your warden know about Alistar having dragon blood?

And Sten is a good guy? (from earlyer post) I liked him, at the end but really I had to streatch my mind to recrute that baby killer (if you can recruite you usually should). the only regret he ever showed was how his actions let down the Qun. He was more upset over his sword. Once that was back all was hunky-dorry.

Again I liked Sten, but... Morrigan total evil and Sten a good guy? Sten was an adult warrior, set in stone (Or the Qun) but Morrigan was young, and to a degree maliable. there were time that, once a friend, you could get her not to hate a niceness you did.

Also, if Flemeth wanted Morrigan to bed Alistar all along, it could be one reason she hated him so much so fast.
Just sayin'

I do.

Why is Sten relevant? The moment he tries an manipulate my Warden into making a baby with a Old God soul is the instant I put him on Morrigan's level.

Yeah, not a lot of love lost between mother and daughter(s)

[brushyourteeth]

Runningleaf wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Technically you're still right, because "The Stolen Throne" (in which we find out that Maric promises Flemeth a favor *cough*blood*cough*) and "The Calling" (in which Maric and Fiona get together) are both canon. My understanding is that it's only the stuff that happens after DA:O that's iffy, and even then the writers can rework it as they please.

You probably already knew that -- but I'm just backing you up.

It's one of the reasons why I'm iffy about letting Morrigan get her hands onto Alistair; considering his blood and all.

How would your warden know about Alistar having dragon blood?

*snip*

She wouldn't, but that doesn't prevent him from having it. My best friend's father is adopted and no one knows his heritage, but that doesn't stop him from having one.

So Alistair's dragon blood could still have some interesting implications in the event that he fathered an Old God in human form. Having done the Dark Ritual, Alistair post-comic books would probably be having a serious "Oh, sh**!!" moment. Though I don't think the devs will waste much time on a scenario that depends on so many "what ifs."  

[Tinxa]

What is wrong with Alistair's blood???

I haven't read any of the books.

[brushyourteeth]

Tinxa wrote...

What is wrong with Alistair's blood???

I haven't read any of the books.

It was in the comics DG put out recently, which aren't canon exactly in that things may not happen exactly the same way depending on how you played your game (for instance, if Alistair died in DA:O then he obviously never went on that adventure) but it otherwise represents the spirit of what's going to happen somehow or another anyway.

I'll pm you with the details since there may be some people who don't want spoilers. (it's a little late for that now, but I'll try to be courteous anyway)


**edit: can't pm. sorry!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 juin 2013 - 05:24 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

No OGB for me.

Didn't trust Morrigan, and heartily disapproved of her... disapproval of every decision that didn't scream stupid evil.

So I told her to get bent, made hardened Alistair king, and let Loghain take one for the team.


Oh and I knifed her in Witch Hunt for all the good that will do.

[9TailsFox]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

What is wrong with Alistair's blood???

I haven't read any of the books.

It was in the comics DG put out recently, which aren't canon exactly in that things may not happen exactly the same way depending on how you played your game (for instance, if Alistair died in DA:O then he obviously never went on that adventure) but it otherwise represents the spirit of what's going to happen somehow or another anyway.

I'll pm you with the details since there may be some people who don't want spoilers. (it's a little late for that now, but I'll try to be courteous anyway)


**edit: can't pm. sorry!

Yes yes water is wet. What he wants to say Alistair have dragon blood. Well actually his father have.

[LobselVith8]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Who doesn't have the Old God Baby on my save file?

Clearly, there are people who chose not to perform the Dark Ritual like you did. I, on the other, played a character who trusted Morrigan, and my Surana Warden went through the Eluvian with her. I wonder how the narrative might differ if Morrigan is with The Warden and her son (and perhaps their trusty Mabari Hound), or whether she's alone because The Warden didn't trust her.

The Aimo and Gaider comic also shed some light on the Dark Ritual.