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[Pronto One]

The addition of a English Speaking geth sounds awesome! Although as for the original question i believe that due to his heightened awareness of everything around him, he would have found more useful things to do then just simply killing organics 24/7 365 days a year. Perhaps he has other motives that cannot be possibly understood by our seemingly feeble organic brains(compared to A.I.). However, i hope he is a recruitable squad mate. I mean come on, just look at his obsession with shepard! He could be just like a robo puppy that can actually defend you, instead of just sitting there yapping all day long!

But, only tell what role legion will play.

-Pronto One

Modifié par Pronto One, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:00 .

[DarthCaine]

Inverness Moon wrote...

The DLC guy will not be the 10th squad member, that would be false advertising. Mass Effect 2 itself without DLC will have 10 squad members as advertized; DLC characters are extra.

False advertising? You mean how there was a customizable MAKO in ME1?
And how every world was as big as Morrowind and long as a KOTOR world?
Remember the interrupt system in ME1, that you could change the looks of your weapons and how you could leave your armor stained with blood?
Remember that you could control every squad mate like in KOTOR and there was supposed to be destructible environment?

The DLC guy was in from the beginning as you can see from the old concept arts.
This is from one of the oldest ME2 videos:
http://i380.photobuc...ucket/ME2_5.jpg

Modifié par DarthCaine, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:58 .

[Inverness Moon]

DarthCaine wrote...

And how every world was as big as Morrowind and long as a KOTOR world?
Remember the interrupt system in ME1, that you could change the looks of your weapons and how you could leave your armor stained with blood?
Remember that you could control every squad mate like in KOTOR and there was supposed to be destructible environment?

The DLC guy was in from the beginning as you can see from the old concept arts.
This is from one of the oldest ME2 videos:
http://i380.photobuc...ucket/ME2_5.jpg

That is all irrelevant.

One of the main points of Mass Effect 2 is the 10 recruitable squad members, something that has been advertised well up until the game was finished and afterwards, meaning that has not changed. This is reflected in the achievements list, and the soundtrack. No matter what you might try to think, DLC is not included in that magical number of 10.

[DarthCaine]

Inverness Moon wrote...

One of the main points of Mass Effect 2 is the 10 recruitable squad members, something that has been advertised well up until the game was finished and afterwards, meaning that has not changed. This is reflected in the achievements list, and the soundtrack. No matter what you might try to think, DLC is not included in that magical number of 10.

The achievement list doesn't say anything about recruiting the 10th squad mate

Devs have repedatelly said that the main quest consists of recruiting people, finding new info, gaining new technology etc.

Obtain geth technology =/= Recruit Legion

The article about the DLC guy said that new achievements will come with the DLC

Besides devs have repedately said not to assume such things as Legion being recruitable

Modifié par DarthCaine, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:21 .

[CandraZ]

DarthCaine wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

One of the main points of Mass Effect 2 is the 10 recruitable squad members, something that has been advertised well up until the game was finished and afterwards, meaning that has not changed. This is reflected in the achievements list, and the soundtrack. No matter what you might try to think, DLC is not included in that magical number of 10.

The achievement list doesn't say anything about recruiting the 10th squad mate

Devs have repedatelly said that the main quest consists of recruiting people, finding new info, gaining new technology etc.

Obtain geth technology =/= Recruit Legion

The article about the DLC guy said that new achievements will come with the DLC

Ah hello, technically Legion is Geth Technology, plus theres another Geth achievement under the loyalty missions of the others. The fact that its right under both of those and not together somewhere else in the list kinda points to him being a character.

[SpectreSebz]

DarthCaine wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

One of the main points of Mass Effect 2 is the 10 recruitable squad members, something that has been advertised well up until the game was finished and afterwards, meaning that has not changed. This is reflected in the achievements list, and the soundtrack. No matter what you might try to think, DLC is not included in that magical number of 10.

The achievement list doesn't say anything about recruiting the 10th squad mate

Devs have repedatelly said that the main quest consists of recruiting people, finding new info, gaining new technology etc.

Obtain geth technology =/= Recruit Legion

The article about the DLC guy said that new achievements will come with the DLC

Then who'd be the 10th squadmate according to the achievements?
Sorry but Legion WILL BE recruitable, whether you want to see the proof in front of your nose is up to you.

[DarthCaine]

CandraZ wrote...

Ah hello, technically Legion is Geth Technology, plus theres another Geth achievement under the loyalty missions of the others. The fact that its right under both of those and not together somewhere else in the list kinda points to him being a character.

And right after "Legion's loyalty mission" (A House Divided) there's

Ghost Ship
Complete the investigation of a derelict alien vessel

Does this mean we get to recruit a Reaper? OMG

Modifié par DarthCaine, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:30 .

[DarthCaine]

SpectreSebz wrote...

Then who'd be the 10th squadmate according to the achievements?
Sorry but Legion WILL BE recruitable, whether you want to see the proof in front of your nose is up to you.

I never said he isn't recruitable, just that the achievements prove nothing and that the only way he's recruitable is if he isn't available on most/all planets. I mean, no sane person, would allow a geth to walk the streets of any planet. They'll just shoot him, nobody is going to ask whether he's friendly or not

[CandraZ]

DarthCaine wrote...

CandraZ wrote...

Ah hello, technically Legion is Geth Technology, plus theres another Geth achievement under the loyalty missions of the others. The fact that its right under both of those and not together somewhere else in the list kinda points to him being a character.

And right after "Legion's loyalty mission" (A House Divided) there's

Ghost Ship
Complete the investigation of a derelict alien vessel

Does this mean we get to recruit a Reaper?

No but if you'd learn your numbers you'd also notice the two geth missions have the same number of points given as the recruit and loyalty missions and that one doesn't.

[TokkanRAM]

DarthCaine wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

The DLC guy will not be the 10th squad member, that would be false advertising. Mass Effect 2 itself without DLC will have 10 squad members as advertized; DLC characters are extra.

False advertising? You mean how there was a customizable MAKO in ME1?
And how every world was as big as Morrowind and long as a KOTOR world?
Remember the interrupt system in ME1, that you could change the looks of your weapons and how you could leave your armor stained with blood?
Remember that you could control every squad mate like in KOTOR and there was supposed to be destructible environment?

The DLC guy was in from the beginning as you can see from the old concept arts.
This is from one of the oldest ME2 videos:
http://i380.photobuc...ucket/ME2_5.jpg

Oh wow, DLC guy in concept art from one of the oldest ME2 vids. Was that video from back when they were saying we'll be having 12 squaddies?

DarthCaine wrote...

CandraZ wrote...

Ah
hello, technically Legion is Geth Technology, plus theres another Geth
achievement under the loyalty missions of the others. The fact that its
right under both of those and not together somewhere else in the list
kinda points to him being a character.

And right after "Legion's loyalty mission" (A House Divided) there's

Ghost Ship
Complete the investigation of a derelict alien vessel

Does this mean we get to recruit a Reaper? OMG

Way to ignore the difference in points between achievements.

Modifié par TokkanRAM, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:41 .

[DarthCaine]

TokkanRAM wrote...

Oh wow, DLC guy in concept art from one of the oldest ME2 vids. Was that video from back when they were saying we'll be having 12 squaddies?

They never said that. Devs said they didn't mean dozen as in 12. It was more of a marketing line

[Inarai]

Solmanian wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Hopefully he can join the party in midgame and not at the end. That way we can explore his personality and history in more detail. He sounds like the most interesting character by far.

I'm sure he has a rich background as a toster oven

A member of a hive mind species who's attained individual conciousness?  AWESOME.  Seriously, that would be quite interesting to explore.

Plus it's a whole new perspective on the Geth.

Modifié par Inarai, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:52 .

[TokkanRAM]

DarthCaine wrote...

TokkanRAM wrote...

Oh wow, DLC guy in concept art from one of the oldest ME2 vids. Was that video from back when they were saying we'll be having 12 squaddies?

They never said that. Devs said they didn't mean dozen as in 12. It was more of a marketing line

Fine, but most of your arguments for Legion not being a squadmember are strawmen. Especially your attempts to refute the achievement list. How the hell do you explain "A House Divided" being the only achievement having the same style of icon as the other loyalty achievements if it isn't one?

[Inverness Moon]

DarthCaine wrote...

The achievement list doesn't say anything about recruiting the 10th squad mate

Of course it does, just indirectly. You just don't want to see it.

[Dellingr]

I feel a string or quotes coming on...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think Legion will be encountered and recruited halfway through the game, not at the end. But I think his story or loyalty mission will be resolved at the end right before the suicide mission. That is my theory based on the Prima guide sections. Having Legion only join at the end doesn't seem right.

yeah, makes sense to give you time to explore his character, if he is indeed recruitable (and based on that achievement list, I'd say its certain)

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Legion will be the 'enemy' that won't be an enemy and will show you how 'human' synthetics can be.
And
no, I don't think you'll have to choose between it and Tali'zorah vas
Normandy. Why? Because David Gaider isn't lead writer on ME 2, Mac
Walters is.

That's a much better role IMO than just one of the main antagonists, good point on Mac Walters

DarthCaine wrote...

The only way that Legion could be a squad mate is if you couldn't take him with you on most/all planets...

That would be true of the citadel and most planets in citadel space, but these are the terminus systems, they've
never been threatened by geth and might even like them for attacking
citadel space, and they're like the wild west, a geth walking into a
bar might raise some eyebrows but IMO he wouldn't be met with open
hostility

[LucidStrike]

I think Lregion and Legion's faction are pro-peace, or at least not anti-organic.



Also, you don't have to choose between Tali and Legion. It's been confirmed forever that it's possible to take 10 squadmates on the mission and come back with all of them.

[Skalman91]

Legion is a squad member.



Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[DarthCaine]

Dellingr wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

The only way that Legion could be a squad mate is if you couldn't take him with you on most/all planets...

That would be true of the citadel and most planets in citadel space, but these are the terminus systems, they've
never been threatened by geth and might even like them for attacking
citadel space, and they're like the wild west, a geth walking into a
bar might raise some eyebrows but IMO he wouldn't be met with open
hostility

From the codex:
Geth are universally hostile towards all organic life

People don't know that the geth have different factions

[Inarai]

DarthCaine wrote...

Dellingr wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

The only way that Legion could be a squad mate is if you couldn't take him with you on most/all planets...

That would be true of the citadel and most planets in citadel space, but these are the terminus systems, they've
never been threatened by geth and might even like them for attacking
citadel space, and they're like the wild west, a geth walking into a
bar might raise some eyebrows but IMO he wouldn't be met with open
hostility

From the codex:
Geth are universally hostile towards all organic life

People don't know that the geth have different factions

And maybe it comes up in game sometimes?  So what?

[Skalman91]

DarthCaine wrote...

Dellingr wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

The only way that Legion could be a squad mate is if you couldn't take him with you on most/all planets...

That would be true of the citadel and most planets in citadel space, but these are the terminus systems, they've
never been threatened by geth and might even like them for attacking
citadel space, and they're like the wild west, a geth walking into a
bar might raise some eyebrows but IMO he wouldn't be met with open
hostility

From the codex:
Geth are universally hostile towards all organic life

People don't know that the geth have different factions

I still don't think people would start shooting if they saw a geth walking calmly with shepard and another partymember. Might be a little confused, but I don't think people would open fire as soon as they saw him.

[Inarai]

Skalman91 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Dellingr wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

The only way that Legion could be a squad mate is if you couldn't take him with you on most/all planets...

That would be true of the citadel and most planets in citadel space, but these are the terminus systems, they've
never been threatened by geth and might even like them for attacking
citadel space, and they're like the wild west, a geth walking into a
bar might raise some eyebrows but IMO he wouldn't be met with open
hostility

From the codex:
Geth are universally hostile towards all organic life

People don't know that the geth have different factions

I still don't think people would start shooting if they saw a geth walking calmly with shepard and another partymember. Might be a little confused, but I don't think people would open fire as soon as they saw him.

Hell, would most people even know what it was out there?

[DarthCaine]

Skalman91 wrote...

I still don't think people would start shooting if they saw a geth walking calmly with shepard and another partymember. Might be a little confused, but I don't think people would open fire as soon as they saw him.

If you see an elephant or a lion roam the streets of your neighbourhood, everybody would panic, nobody will try to see whether he's tame or not

Modifié par DarthCaine, 18 janvier 2010 - 07:40 .

[Bad-Meets-Evil]

Legion will be a housemaid just like that robot in the Jetsons

[Inarai]

DarthCaine wrote...

Skalman91 wrote...

I still don't think people would start shooting if they saw a geth walking calmly with shepard and another partymember. Might be a little confused, but I don't think people would open fire as soon as they saw him.

If you see an elephant or a lion roam the streets of your neighbourhood, everybody would panic, nobody will try to see whether he's tame or not

Now, on the other hand, if I see the same lion NOT mauling and eating everyone there, and walking with 2 people it is also not mauling and eating, the outlook changes.

[jsachun]

Legion's gotta be a companion, otherwise why would they make more Geth tech available in ME2.