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#2501
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cjones91 wrote...
The difference is there's a small bit of evidence that gives credibilty that Andraste could be a mage.


It does not.
A rumor is a rumor. A book written by an unknown author that is discredited by everyone has aboutas much validity as million of conspiracy books that come out every year. None.

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Lord Raijin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You mean the segragation the mages accepted?
The segregation that keeps everyone safe?

Mages better behave, or else they'll get a spanking.



1. You mean forced to accept.
2. How is it making everyone safe? By the way non-mages are killing each other all the time over political situation. Loghain essentinally aided the darkspawn by betraying his own king, which contributed to his death including the death of the Grey Warden commander. He later caused a civil war in the process during a fricken Blight. He hired an escaped Circle mage to poison the Arl, and was sucessful.

Base on the history should non-mages be segregated? Apparently they don't know how to behave themselves, or play nice to each other.


1. There's nothing in the history of Thedas that states they were forced.

2. What kind of redicolous strawman are you hunting after here? The segregation is meant to keep mages safe from mundanes and from eachother and mundanes safe from mages.
It's not a magical wish that will make everyone safe fro meverything. Why the hell are you even arguing that? WTF are you smoking?
Your arguments are getting more dellusional and worse with each reply.

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It does not.
A rumor is a rumor. A book written by an unknown author that is discredited by everyone has aboutas much validity as million of conspiracy books that come out every year. None.


Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It does not.
A rumor is a rumor. A book written by an unknown author that is discredited by everyone has aboutas much validity as million of conspiracy books that come out every year. None.


Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.

It's more like trying to burn any book that discredits what the chantry teaches; If this were the only case, it would be one thing, but I doubt it.

#2505
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.


Nope.
There's nothing supiciously supicious about it.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.


Nope.
There's nothing supiciously supicious about it.


I just love your delusions. Whatever andraste was a mage or not it is certain that she brought mages and shamans with her during the exalted march. The barbarians wouldnt be able to stand against the Tevinters   otherwise. Magic can only be counterd by magic.

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DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.


Nope.
There's nothing supiciously supicious about it.


I just love your delusions. Whatever andraste was a mage or not it is certain that she brought mages and shamans with her during the exalted march. The barbarians wouldnt be able to stand against the Tevinters   otherwise. Magic can only be counterd by magic.


Qunari and templars and well most peoples with combat training can defeat mage as it is proven many times.And tev wasn't loved and they got allies.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You mean the segragation the mages accepted?
The segregation that keeps everyone safe?

Mages better behave, or else they'll get a spanking.



1. You mean forced to accept.
2. How is it making everyone safe? By the way non-mages are killing each other all the time over political situation. Loghain essentinally aided the darkspawn by betraying his own king, which contributed to his death including the death of the Grey Warden commander. He later caused a civil war in the process during a fricken Blight. He hired an escaped Circle mage to poison the Arl, and was sucessful.

Base on the history should non-mages be segregated? Apparently they don't know how to behave themselves, or play nice to each other.


1. There's nothing in the history of Thedas that states they were forced.

2. What kind of redicolous strawman are you hunting after here? The segregation is meant to keep mages safe from mundanes and from eachother and mundanes safe from mages.
It's not a magical wish that will make everyone safe fro meverything. Why the hell are you even arguing that? WTF are you smoking?
Your arguments are getting more dellusional and worse with each reply.




The mages joined the circle system voluntarily so they should also be allowed to leave voluntarily, If you prevent them from leaving like the Templars did then you are forcing them into the circles and are enslaving them.

You argue about keeping mundanes safe from mages but when it comes to keeping mages safe from mundanes which includes the Templars you value it as it doesn't matter and accept the mundanes harming the mages.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.

There is nothing suspicious about it. Obviously, the Chantry doesn't wish people to believe Andraste was a mage because this would, amongst other things, undermine the ideological foundation of the Circle.
That doesn't, in any way, mean there is something the Chantry is hiding. Only that they simply don't wish opposition.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.


Nope.
There's nothing supiciously supicious about it.


I just love your delusions. Whatever andraste was a mage or not it is certain that she brought mages and shamans with her during the exalted march. The barbarians wouldnt be able to stand against the Tevinters   otherwise. Magic can only be counterd by magic.


Qunari and templars and well most peoples with combat training can defeat mage as it is proven many times.And tev wasn't loved and they got allies.


Not what i was talking about. it was more about battlefield tactics . but your still wrong. that demonic invasion that is happening in DAI has not been stopped by the templars or any other mundane has it?

Modifié par DKJaigen, 02 novembre 2013 - 01:20 .


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DKJaigen wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.


Nope.
There's nothing supiciously supicious about it.


I just love your delusions. Whatever andraste was a mage or not it is certain that she brought mages and shamans with her during the exalted march. The barbarians wouldnt be able to stand against the Tevinters   otherwise. Magic can only be counterd by magic.


Qunari and templars and well most peoples with combat training can defeat mage as it is proven many times.And tev wasn't loved and they got allies.


Not what i was talking about. it was more about battlefield tactics . but your still wrong. that demonic invasion that is happening in DAI has not been stopped by the templars or any other mundane has it?



Er, I can't think of a single instance where demons or veil tears were stopped/healed by a non-mage.

In Black Marsh, we had Justice enchant our weapons to directly affect the veil. At Soldiers Keep, we had Avernus or a Demon directly try to mend the veil. In the orphanage in Denerim, no one really fixes the veil, but simply kills the demons that made it through because of the violence of the elven purge.

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DKJaigen wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Tossing a book in a fire isn't discrediting it. Rather, it's more like suspiciously specific denial.


Nope.
There's nothing supiciously supicious about it.


I just love your delusions. Whatever andraste was a mage or not it is certain that she brought mages and shamans with her during the exalted march. The barbarians wouldnt be able to stand against the Tevinters   otherwise. Magic can only be counterd by magic.


Qunari and templars and well most peoples with combat training can defeat mage as it is proven many times.And tev wasn't loved and they got allies.


Not what i was talking about. it was more about battlefield tactics . but your still wrong. that demonic invasion that is happening in DAI has not been stopped by the templars or any other mundane has it?



Because everyone is in war?
Orlais have civil war.
Templars have war with mages.
Nevarra also have some problems
Ferelden is weak.
But i can bet that inquisition will have chance to solve that without mages on their side. 
I would rather bet that most mages were on tev side because it was fight peoples who will hate mages if they win vs peoples who deliver mages rights above normal.

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DKJaigen wrote...
I just love your delusions. Whatever andraste was a mage or not it is certain that she brought mages and shamans with her during the exalted march. The barbarians wouldnt be able to stand against the Tevinters   otherwise. Magic can only be counterd by magic.


And? Mages get unleashed during a war - they happen to be usefull.
That tells nothing  about how mages are handeled outside of a war - and we never got to see Andraste in that light.

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ianvillan wrote...
The mages joined the circle system voluntarily so they should also be allowed to leave voluntarily, If you prevent them from leaving like the Templars did then you are forcing them into the circles and are enslaving them.


That does not necessarily follow.
If you agree to accept someones authority, then there are no backsies later.

Mages really cannot leave without endangering others, so that's another factor toconsider.


You argue about keeping mundanes safe from mages but when it comes to keeping mages safe from mundanes which includes the Templars you value it as it doesn't matter and accept the mundanes harming the mages.


It doesn't matter? Sez who?
I want conditions in the Circles to be as good as they can reasonably be for the mages.
And I definately want the abusers punished, templar or mage.
However, the mages condition is one that necessitates strict regulations and unfortunately, there can be no perfect solution. No matter what system you have, it will always favor one or hte other. And I rather it favors 99% of the pupulation, rather than the 1%.

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That does not necessarily follow.
If you agree to accept someones authority, then there are no backsies later.

Mages really cannot leave without endangering others, so that's another factor toconsider.

One should not be a controlled by a government that doesn't represent you in the slightest. If mages will live under the aegis of the Chantry, they should be part of the Chantry's governing body as well.

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Mages do have a say. The daily running of a circle is left to the Enchanters. The global rules are set by hte chantry and enforced by templars.
and mages even have a say in the global rules.
Heck, wasn't there recently a meeting to discuss exactly changes to those rules?
Oh, right... that meeting was highjacked

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Mages do have a say. The daily running of a circle is left to the Enchanters. The global rules are set by hte chantry and enforced by templars.
and mages even have a say in the global rules.
Heck, wasn't there recently a meeting to discuss exactly changes to those rules?
Oh, right... that meeting was highjacked

What I mean is that mages should have an equal say in determining global rules. If there has to some kind of peace. that's one of the necessary conditions. Another being wiping out the rogue templars and bringing in a new set with a less vicious doctrine.

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I wonder if we'll finally realize that both sides are wrong in the next hundred pages.

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Br3ad wrote...

I wonder if we'll finally realize that both sides are wrong in the next hundred pages.

It's not true, so that seems unlikely.

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And this is why our government shutdown for two and half weeks.

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That does not necessarily follow.
If you agree to accept someones authority, then there are no backsies later.

Mages really cannot leave without endangering others, so that's another factor toconsider.


But not a relevant factor. i find the well being of the mages significantly more important then the well being of the mundanes as the mages are the only ones that can permanently shut down fade tears. and they themselves are far more useful against dragon swarms and darkspawn then mundanes.

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DKJaigen wrote...


That does not necessarily follow.
If you agree to accept someones authority, then there are no backsies later.

Mages really cannot leave without endangering others, so that's another factor toconsider.


But not a relevant factor. i find the well being of the mages significantly more important then the well being of the mundanes as the mages are the only ones that can permanently shut down fade tears. and they themselves are far more useful against dragon swarms and darkspawn then mundanes.


Not relevant. There will always be mages and even if you treat them like qunari do, you can still use them to mend the veil (assuming that's the ONLY way to do it)
You only need a few of them anyway.
For everything else, mundanes work well too. Numbers have a quality of their own.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I wonder if we'll finally realize that both sides are wrong in the next hundred pages.

It's not true, so that seems unlikely.


What's not true, that both sides are in fact wrong and they are blinded by there own bias minus a few

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Br3ad wrote...

And this is why our government shutdown for two and half weeks.


We may be bad here at the BSN, but even we aren't that bad :P

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Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I wonder if we'll finally realize that both sides are wrong in the next hundred pages.

It's not true, so that seems unlikely.

I find it disturbing that you actually believe this.

I hope in DA:I you can free the mages completely and Thedas crumbles because of it.