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DKJaigen wrote...
keep your fanfiction out of the debate lotion. its established in lore , ingame mechanic and books that templars have no resistance against this form of magic. 


Heh, he thinks that entire Dalish clans vanish without a trace because of mages etc. Just saying.

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Star fury wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
keep your fanfiction out of the debate lotion. its established in lore , ingame mechanic and books that templars have no resistance against this form of magic. 


Heh, he thinks that entire Dalish clans vanish without a trace because of mages etc. Just saying.


i wouldn't be suprised ;)

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Star fury wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
keep your fanfiction out of the debate lotion. its established in lore , ingame mechanic and books that templars have no resistance against this form of magic. 


Heh, he thinks that entire Dalish clans vanish without a trace because of mages etc. Just saying.


Given that 2 clans we've seen were both led to ruin by their Keepers, I'd say that a powerfull and smart abomination destroying a smaller clan is highly possible.

And templars have resistance against all magic, something that has been shown and proven in-game and in-lore multiple times.

So yeah...
I'm not the one doing the fanfictioning.

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Star fury wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
keep your fanfiction out of the debate lotion. its established in lore , ingame mechanic and books that templars have no resistance against this form of magic. 


Heh, he thinks that entire Dalish clans vanish without a trace because of mages etc. Just saying.

We already got from WoG that Dalish Clan do disappear from time to time. Most likely because their Keeper succumbed to demons. So.... There's that...

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
keep your fanfiction out of the debate lotion. its established in lore , ingame mechanic and books that templars have no resistance against this form of magic. 


Heh, he thinks that entire Dalish clans vanish without a trace because of mages etc. Just saying.

We already got from WoG that Dalish Clan do disappear from time to time. Most likely because their Keeper succumbed to demons. So.... There's that...


Source?

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WoG might have been the wrong term. But we know Dalish Keepers succumbs to demons. They ar enot immune. And we know that some Abominations can destroy entire regions. A single Dalish clan would ahve no hope against such an opponent. As such, Dalish Clans are bound to have been destroyed by Abominations. Not often, probably a lot less often than a Circle Mage would succumb to demons. But still Dalish Clans have and will be lost to demons.

Also there is an old DA2 forum thread regarding the Dalish and their magical practices where this was brought up. But with the search tool being utter garbage, and me not remembering the name of the thread, I can't seem to find it.

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

WoG might have been the wrong term. But we know Dalish Keepers succumbs to demons. They ar enot immune. And we know that some Abominations can destroy entire regions. A single Dalish clan would ahve no hope against such an opponent. As such, Dalish Clans are bound to have been destroyed by Abominations. Not often, probably a lot less often than a Circle Mage would succumb to demons. But still Dalish Clans have and will be lost to demons.

Also there is an old DA2 forum thread regarding the Dalish and their magical practices where this was brought up. But with the search tool being utter garbage, and me not remembering the name of the thread, I can't seem to find it.


So David Gaider or any other Bioware writer haven't mentioned that. Q.E.D.

Modifié par Star fury, 04 novembre 2013 - 11:43 .


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They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

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That's just like, your opinion, man.

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DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

How many cases have you seen of anyone being effective against demons? Also, I'm pretty sure that any demon that is defeated, is more often than not, by Templars. 

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Br3ad wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

How many cases have you seen of anyone being effective against demons? Also, I'm pretty sure that any demon that is defeated, is more often than not, by Templars. 

Lies! they are much often defated by my pc than templars mahaha it is time to start conquer the world.:lol:

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DKJaigen wrote...
Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations.


Well, they ARE one of the bigegst ones.
And - in the context of Dalish clans - there aren't many things capable of destroying them. Dalish aren't defenceless after all.



It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.


Shifting goalposts now that your initial argument have been debunked?

So, you're saying an elite fighting force with high magic reistance, equipped with fine armor and weapons, is a liability?
What does that make everyone else then?

Regular soldeirs?
Squishy mages?
Grey Wardens?

Useless.

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DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

Uhm... What? The discussion that was being had, was about Abominations, and other magical threats. That's why I am not about to go off on a tangent about Darkspawn... So what you are saying is, once again, neither here nor there.
And EXACTLY which "crimes" of the Templars do I twist? EXACTLY which of them do I ignore? I never said that Templars are blameless. What I've said is that YOU are wrong, when you go about making bull**** statements with no actual gravitas behind them.
And Templars are not ineffective agaisnt demons. Demons are pure amgic, and as such the Templars are better suited fighitng them than all others. They might still get trampled, but tehy still fare better than ALL others.
And the Templars held their ground against demons in Ferelden and Kirkwall. In the case of Ferelden they were ready to purge the Tower, all they needed was the right to do so. And in Kirkwall they killed every last mage and loose demon out there, and brought order back to Kirkwall. So once again you are full of bull****, and are letting your bias shine through....

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations.


Well, they ARE one of the bigegst ones.
And - in the context of Dalish clans - there aren't many things capable of destroying them. Dalish aren't defenceless after all.



It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.


Shifting goalposts now that your initial argument have been debunked?

So, you're saying an elite fighting force with high magic reistance, equipped with fine armor and weapons, is a liability?
What does that make everyone else then?

Regular soldeirs?
Squishy mages?
Grey Wardens?

Useless.


No its clled the inquisition. your their to clean up the chantry's mess.

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

Uhm... What? The discussion that was being had, was about Abominations, and other magical threats. That's why I am not about to go off on a tangent about Darkspawn... So what you are saying is, once again, neither here nor there.
And EXACTLY which "crimes" of the Templars do I twist? EXACTLY which of them do I ignore? I never said that Templars are blameless. What I've said is that YOU are wrong, when you go about making bull**** statements with no actual gravitas behind them.
And Templars are not ineffective agaisnt demons. Demons are pure amgic, and as such the Templars are better suited fighitng them than all others. They might still get trampled, but tehy still fare better than ALL others.
And the Templars held their ground against demons in Ferelden and Kirkwall. In the case of Ferelden they were ready to purge the Tower, all they needed was the right to do so. And in Kirkwall they killed every last mage and loose demon out there, and brought order back to Kirkwall. So once again you are full of bull****, and are letting your bias shine through....


You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.

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DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

Uhm... What? The discussion that was being had, was about Abominations, and other magical threats. That's why I am not about to go off on a tangent about Darkspawn... So what you are saying is, once again, neither here nor there.
And EXACTLY which "crimes" of the Templars do I twist? EXACTLY which of them do I ignore? I never said that Templars are blameless. What I've said is that YOU are wrong, when you go about making bull**** statements with no actual gravitas behind them.
And Templars are not ineffective agaisnt demons. Demons are pure amgic, and as such the Templars are better suited fighitng them than all others. They might still get trampled, but tehy still fare better than ALL others.
And the Templars held their ground against demons in Ferelden and Kirkwall. In the case of Ferelden they were ready to purge the Tower, all they needed was the right to do so. And in Kirkwall they killed every last mage and loose demon out there, and brought order back to Kirkwall. So once again you are full of bull****, and are letting your bias shine through....


You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.

And you don't even know your history lessons....... Now you are completely useless..

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DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.


Huh? Why do you want to kill ALL templars?

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Star fury wrote...

Huh? Why do you want to kill ALL templars?


Because this is the BSN where that's normal.  Don't like them?  Here's a for free ticket for mass murder.

Modifié par ScarMK, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:59 .


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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.

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DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

Uhm... What? The discussion that was being had, was about Abominations, and other magical threats. That's why I am not about to go off on a tangent about Darkspawn... So what you are saying is, once again, neither here nor there.
And EXACTLY which "crimes" of the Templars do I twist? EXACTLY which of them do I ignore? I never said that Templars are blameless. What I've said is that YOU are wrong, when you go about making bull**** statements with no actual gravitas behind them.
And Templars are not ineffective agaisnt demons. Demons are pure amgic, and as such the Templars are better suited fighitng them than all others. They might still get trampled, but tehy still fare better than ALL others.
And the Templars held their ground against demons in Ferelden and Kirkwall. In the case of Ferelden they were ready to purge the Tower, all they needed was the right to do so. And in Kirkwall they killed every last mage and loose demon out there, and brought order back to Kirkwall. So once again you are full of bull****, and are letting your bias shine through....


You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.

Actually, those knightly orders often burned others at the stake..

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ScarMK wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


RIght back at ya, Pro Templar.

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ScarMK wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


Because mages are not snorting red lyrium.

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eluvianix wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They have, but I can't find the thread, so I can't confirm what they said. Either way, Dalish Clans would be lost not because of mages, but because of demons. There is a difference.


Of all the many dangers that are in thedas  the only thing you can think of is abominations. how very sad emperor. the ways you twist the many many crimes of the templars is hillarious to watch. the fact is that they oppose the inquisition makes to dangerous to let live. normal templars need ot be killed as well. we dont know how many sympathiser or spies have infested the normal templar order.

It doesnt matter if templars can or cannot resist bloodmagic they are ineffective against demons. we have not seen a single case where templars where able to hold  their ground against demons. So they are a liability in the extreme.

Uhm... What? The discussion that was being had, was about Abominations, and other magical threats. That's why I am not about to go off on a tangent about Darkspawn... So what you are saying is, once again, neither here nor there.
And EXACTLY which "crimes" of the Templars do I twist? EXACTLY which of them do I ignore? I never said that Templars are blameless. What I've said is that YOU are wrong, when you go about making bull**** statements with no actual gravitas behind them.
And Templars are not ineffective agaisnt demons. Demons are pure amgic, and as such the Templars are better suited fighitng them than all others. They might still get trampled, but tehy still fare better than ALL others.
And the Templars held their ground against demons in Ferelden and Kirkwall. In the case of Ferelden they were ready to purge the Tower, all they needed was the right to do so. And in Kirkwall they killed every last mage and loose demon out there, and brought order back to Kirkwall. So once again you are full of bull****, and are letting your bias shine through....


You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.

Actually, those knightly orders often burned others at the stake..



That as well. but the 2 most powerful orders , the templars and teutonic knights, where burned. and the teutonic knights actions are very similar to the templars of DA.

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DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


Because mages are not snorting red lyrium.


There's a good chance, based on the Inquisitor's actions, that the more extremists of the mages would attack the Inquisitor.

What it ultimately comes down to is, the word is literally on the brink of collapse, and everyone wants to save THEIR world. The templars/seekers who followed Lambert want to force mages back into the Circles since they, and many pro-templars, all they see in mages and magic is danger, while the pro-mages and majority of mages will fight tooth and nail to protect their newly gained independence since all they, and many pro-mage gamers, see in the Chantry run circles and the templars is abuse and complete lack of morals.

If the Inquisitor starts supporting one side or another, or even one completely different faction like the Qunari, the templars and mages would see it as an end to the world they want, and will fight tooth and claw to make sure that doesn't happen.