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You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


Because mages are not snorting red lyrium.


just turning into abomnations and going insane psycho blood mages.

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We don't even know what the Red Templars are yet. We don't know how they came into being, we don't know their end goal or their motivations. All we know is they are called Red Templars, and appear to attack the Inquisitor at occasion. Of course that doesn't preven DKJaigen from making up his own headcanon and then trying to apply it to the world, with no evidence to back it up.

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dragonflight288 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


Because mages are not snorting red lyrium.


There's a good chance, based on the Inquisitor's actions, that the more extremists of the mages would attack the Inquisitor.

What it ultimately comes down to is, the word is literally on the brink of collapse, and everyone wants to save THEIR world. The templars/seekers who followed Lambert want to force mages back into the Circles since they, and many pro-templars, all they see in mages and magic is danger, while the pro-mages and majority of mages will fight tooth and nail to protect their newly gained independence since all they, and many pro-mage gamers, see in the Chantry run circles and the templars is abuse and complete lack of morals.

If the Inquisitor starts supporting one side or another, or even one completely different faction like the Qunari, the templars and mages would see it as an end to the world they want, and will fight tooth and claw to make sure that doesn't happen.

Sadly true. What I hate is the whole "Us versus Them" mentality. Why can we not all sit down, shut up, and rationally discuss these topics to broker a compromise?
Both sides have issues, and both sides are needed to fix the problem so that we do not end up in another war in the next decade.

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We don't even know what the Red Templars are yet. We don't know how they came into being, we don't know their end goal or their motivations. All we know is they are called Red Templars, and appear to attack the Inquisitor at occasion. Of course that doesn't preven DKJaigen from making up his own headcanon and then trying to apply it to the world, with no evidence to back it up.


True. We have no idea what their endgame is. But from what we have seen so far in the PAX demo, even you cannot deny that their goals seem somewhat suspect. I am hardpressed to find a reason that could justify attacking an innocent village.

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eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


Because mages are not snorting red lyrium.


There's a good chance, based on the Inquisitor's actions, that the more extremists of the mages would attack the Inquisitor.

What it ultimately comes down to is, the word is literally on the brink of collapse, and everyone wants to save THEIR world. The templars/seekers who followed Lambert want to force mages back into the Circles since they, and many pro-templars, all they see in mages and magic is danger, while the pro-mages and majority of mages will fight tooth and nail to protect their newly gained independence since all they, and many pro-mage gamers, see in the Chantry run circles and the templars is abuse and complete lack of morals.

If the Inquisitor starts supporting one side or another, or even one completely different faction like the Qunari, the templars and mages would see it as an end to the world they want, and will fight tooth and claw to make sure that doesn't happen.

Sadly true. What I hate is the whole "Us versus Them" mentality. Why can we not all sit down, shut up, and rationally discuss these topics to broker a compromise?
Both sides have issues, and both sides are needed to fix the problem so that we do not end up in another war in the next decade.


I've tried in the past. Even made a thread devoted to honest discussion and findin a compromise gamers would be willing to live with. Problem is, some people like Lotion on the templar side, refuse to compromise on anything like letting mages visit families, and absolutely insist that there was nothing wrong with the system in he first place. Others, like MisterJB insist there's a mage overpopulation problem and doesn't want to compromise on letting mages having the right to have and raise their own children, although he is willing to allow mages to visit families in supervised visits. But on the pro-mage side, people like Xil call for the complete extermination of templars, or at least get templars completely removed from the process of governing Circles entirely, and won't settle for anything less than a complete capitulation on the part of the templars because she sees the whole system as flawed and irreparable.

Needless to say, that thread got derailed pretty quickly because compromise that all sides could live with seemed to be highly improbable. The rights the pro-mages demanded be given to mages weren't even considered by pro-templars because of "what-if's" and "that's a dangerous idea," and the ideas of the pro-templars weren't even considered by many pro-mages because their solutions still had the templars in charge of everything since they felt mages couldn't be trusted, period, to help govern anything concerning mages themselves.

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kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.


Just a bunch of darkspawn killing everyone because there aren't any mages to prepare the joining for Grey Wardens.

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dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.


Just a bunch of darkspawn killing everyone because there aren't any mages to prepare the joining for Grey Wardens.


Well as i said to do that few mages is enough to do that others well mages don't bring nothing beyond harm to everything around.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.


Unless magic is genetic, you will never kill them all.

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ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.


Unless magic is genetic, you will never kill them all.

i know just kill new-born mages problem solved.

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ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.


Unless magic is genetic, you will never kill them all.

I thought it was, to some degree.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

i know just kill new-born mages problem solved.


But magic supposedly doesn't manifest until around puberty or so, kill the child hoping it has magic and if it doesn't, "Whoops our bad ma'am."

Modifié par ScarMK, 04 novembre 2013 - 03:49 .


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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

kill mages and kill templars problem solved best solution and happy ending.No abomnations any more and no more obsesed in control freaks.


Unless magic is genetic, you will never kill them all.

i know just kill new-born mages problem solved.

Yeah, because people will really love infanticide.

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ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

i know just kill new-born mages problem solved.


But magic supposedly doesn't manifest until around puberty or so, kill the child hoping it has magic and if it doesn't, "Whoops our bad ma'am."


And still we have mages in circle if magic shows up then just kill them. 


eluvianix wrote...


Yeah, because people will really love infanticide.


you can tell peoples everything and they will follow you just simple teach "maker hates mages".

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 novembre 2013 - 03:52 .


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dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You can cling to your delusions if you want  but the fact is the templar order deserves the death sentence for their actions. any knightly order that behaved like that in medieval times where burned at the stake. Your playing on the perspective of the templars. you should really focus on perspective of the inquistor. the one one that is trying to fix the mess. the fact that the templars attack the inquistion marks them for death.


So, the mage's aren't and won't EVER attack the inquisitor either?  The way some of you pro-mages try to justify their actions is quite amusing.


Because mages are not snorting red lyrium.


There's a good chance, based on the Inquisitor's actions, that the more extremists of the mages would attack the Inquisitor.

What it ultimately comes down to is, the word is literally on the brink of collapse, and everyone wants to save THEIR world. The templars/seekers who followed Lambert want to force mages back into the Circles since they, and many pro-templars, all they see in mages and magic is danger, while the pro-mages and majority of mages will fight tooth and nail to protect their newly gained independence since all they, and many pro-mage gamers, see in the Chantry run circles and the templars is abuse and complete lack of morals.

If the Inquisitor starts supporting one side or another, or even one completely different faction like the Qunari, the templars and mages would see it as an end to the world they want, and will fight tooth and claw to make sure that doesn't happen.

Sadly true. What I hate is the whole "Us versus Them" mentality. Why can we not all sit down, shut up, and rationally discuss these topics to broker a compromise?
Both sides have issues, and both sides are needed to fix the problem so that we do not end up in another war in the next decade.


I've tried in the past. Even made a thread devoted to honest discussion and findin a compromise gamers would be willing to live with. Problem is, some people like Lotion on the templar side, refuse to compromise on anything like letting mages visit families, and absolutely insist that there was nothing wrong with the system in he first place. Others, like MisterJB insist there's a mage overpopulation problem and doesn't want to compromise on letting mages having the right to have and raise their own children, although he is willing to allow mages to visit families in supervised visits. But on the pro-mage side, people like Xil call for the complete extermination of templars, or at least get templars completely removed from the process of governing Circles entirely, and won't settle for anything less than a complete capitulation on the part of the templars because she sees the whole system as flawed and irreparable.

Needless to say, that thread got derailed pretty quickly because compromise that all sides could live with seemed to be highly improbable. The rights the pro-mages demanded be given to mages weren't even considered by pro-templars because of "what-if's" and "that's a dangerous idea," and the ideas of the pro-templars weren't even considered by many pro-mages because their solutions still had the templars in charge of everything since they felt mages couldn't be trusted, period, to help govern anything concerning mages themselves.

If only we could create a magical null zone that strips away both templar and magical abilties, strap them all into chairs and not let them leave until they work out an agreement that both can live with.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

i know just kill new-born mages problem solved.


But magic supposedly doesn't manifest until around puberty or so, kill the child hoping it has magic and if it doesn't, "Whoops our bad ma'am."


And still we have mages in circle if magic shows up then just kill them. 

But you just said you wanted to kill the mages...

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But you just said you wanted to kill the mages...


Oh good, I'm not the only one having trouble understanding him.

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eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

i know just kill new-born mages problem solved.


But magic supposedly doesn't manifest until around puberty or so, kill the child hoping it has magic and if it doesn't, "Whoops our bad ma'am."


And still we have mages in circle if magic shows up then just kill them. 

But you just said you wanted to kill the mages...


I meant that mages what are discovered are taken to circle instead taking them to circle we can kill them easiest and best solution.

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ScarMK wrote...

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But you just said you wanted to kill the mages...


Oh good, I'm not the only one having trouble understanding him.

Yeah, I am kinda lost here.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

you can tell peoples everything and they will follow you just simple teach "maker hates mages".

Yeah, I still do not think many would do that, even if the Maker did tell them it was ok.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...


I meant that mages what are discovered are taken to circle instead taking them to circle we can kill them easiest and best solution.


I'm sorry, what?

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eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

you can tell peoples everything and they will follow you just simple teach "maker hates mages".

Yeah, I still do not think many would do that, even if the Maker did tell them it was ok.


you overestimating humanity humans did worse things and even were ready to kill themselves in some societes look qunari.  


ScarMK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


I meant that mages what are discovered are taken to circle instead taking them to circle we can kill them easiest and best solution.


I'm sorry, what?


ok i will tell that slowly current solution is taking new discovered mage to the circle ............ but now instead doing that we kill them.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 novembre 2013 - 04:00 .


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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We don't even know what the Red Templars are yet. We don't know how they came into being, we don't know their end goal or their motivations. All we know is they are called Red Templars, and appear to attack the Inquisitor at occasion. Of course that doesn't preven DKJaigen from making up his own headcanon and then trying to apply it to the world, with no evidence to back it up.


The demo was headcannon as well right? so whats the excuse here emperor? why are the red templars preventing the inquisitors from sealing the tear as seen in the demo?

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DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We don't even know what the Red Templars are yet. We don't know how they came into being, we don't know their end goal or their motivations. All we know is they are called Red Templars, and appear to attack the Inquisitor at occasion. Of course that doesn't preven DKJaigen from making up his own headcanon and then trying to apply it to the world, with no evidence to back it up.


The demo was headcannon as well right? so whats the excuse here emperor? why are the red templars preventing the inquisitors from sealing the tear as seen in the demo?


Actually, from what we saw, we noticed that they were attacking a village and the keep, and the Inquisitor merely got in their way. We are not sure if they were trying to stop the sealing of the tear. In fact, from what we saw of the mission, the tear being there was a coincidence, not our main objective. We were trying to defend the keep and repel the intruders. 

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eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We don't even know what the Red Templars are yet. We don't know how they came into being, we don't know their end goal or their motivations. All we know is they are called Red Templars, and appear to attack the Inquisitor at occasion. Of course that doesn't preven DKJaigen from making up his own headcanon and then trying to apply it to the world, with no evidence to back it up.


True. We have no idea what their endgame is. But from what we have seen so far in the PAX demo, even you cannot deny that their goals seem somewhat suspect. I am hardpressed to find a reason that could justify attacking an innocent village.

Oh without a doubt. Anyone/anything that attacks the PC is always suspect. I'm just saying that we don't have any sufficient data to discuss Red Templars in any other capacity than them being villains. We don't know their origins, their numbers, their motivations, their endgame. Basically we don't know anything about them.