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[HiroVoid]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Well, I found less blood mages in the Circle than I did in basically every other area in Dragon Age: Origins where it was blood magic from just about every mage.

Oh? I found the exact opposite is true in Ferelden playing as the Warden.

Well, most of my memories are going back to the alleys in Denerim.

[Xilizhra]

Merril was using blood magic though. I doubt the Templars would advocate that approach.

They are no longer in control of my Circle.

[HiroVoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Merril was using blood magic though. I doubt the Templars would advocate that approach.

They are no longer in control of my Circle.

You're in control of a circle?

[Xilizhra]

HiroVoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merril was using blood magic though. I doubt the Templars would advocate that approach.

They are no longer in control of my Circle.

You're in control of a circle?

Referring back to my original plan of having the mages run the Circles as being part of the Chantry.

[HiroVoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merril was using blood magic though. I doubt the Templars would advocate that approach.

They are no longer in control of my Circle.

You're in control of a circle?

Referring back to my original plan of having the mages run the Circles as being part of the Chantry.

Sounds reasonable enough as long as the person running the tests is trustworthy.  Kinda disappointed you can test for demons so easily though.  I find the thought of demons only being able to be detected by trying to outwit them or some other means to have more potential and conflict behind it.

[Xilizhra]

HiroVoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merril was using blood magic though. I doubt the Templars would advocate that approach.

They are no longer in control of my Circle.

You're in control of a circle?

Referring back to my original plan of having the mages run the Circles as being part of the Chantry.

Sounds reasonable enough as long as the person running the tests is trustworthy.  Kinda disappointed you can test for demons so easily though.  I find the thought of demons only being able to be detected by trying to outwit them or some other means to have more potential and conflict behind it.

Quite frankly, we've gotten a lot of that sort of thing before. I'm very happy to have a relatively easy means of outfoxing demons that can be used on a wider level if only it's implemented more widely.

Also, we'd probably need to have multiple people running the tests. There should always be a couple of mages with the Chantry who are not in the physical premises of the Circle.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 05 novembre 2013 - 09:34 .

[dragonflight288]

HiroVoid wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Well, I found less blood mages in the Circle than I did in basically every other area in Dragon Age: Origins where it was blood magic from just about every mage.

Oh? I found the exact opposite is true in Ferelden playing as the Warden.

Well, most of my memories are going back to the alleys in Denerim.

That house of blood mages? You mean the one where you have to pick up the quest from a templar's corpse, and his journal makes it clear that his superiors in Denerim weren't lifting their fingers to help out?

[Schneidend]

eluvianix wrote...

But that would be blood magic, no? 
But on a more serious note, could a spell be cast on a mage's phylactery to determine if a mage is demon free?

Blood magic is powered by blood and violence, but doesn't necessarily have anything to do with manipulating blood in other people.

eluvianix wrote...

Um, you do remember that a pride demon possessed a non mage ruler in the Free Marches. And as far as we know, there was no mage involved in that possession.

Kirkwall itself was intentionally built into a conduit for horror. It is heavily implied that part of why things go so very wrong is the design of the city and the mass experimental sacrifices performed there in ancient times. The semi-permeable veil situation the Tevinter mages created makes the previously impossible possible.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Not to be a nudge, but blood magic isn't restricted to mages...warriors can become Reavers if they wish.

Also demons seem quite capable of possessing/inhabiting non-mages (including tranquil), so this idea that ppl are safe because the mages are locked up is....unwise.

Reavers aren't blood mages. Reavers can't control the mind of people of fuel their power with the blood of other people (which makes blood magic stronger if you do it with violence). And non-mages can't be possessed if a mage (or an abomination) force the demon into the person. Mages can be possessed anytime, due to the different connection with the Fade. 
Though you're right that people aren't entirely safe from demons or other magical threats if mages are locked up. The point of the pro-templars is that locking up mages make people safer, not completely safe.

Um, you do remember that a pride demon possessed a non mage ruler in the Free Marches. And as far as we know, there was no mage involved in that possession.

We don't know wether or not he was a mage. But considering he became an Abomination, he must have been a mage. Mages can hide their talents and attain powerful positions.

[EmperorSahlertz]

HiroVoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merril was using blood magic though. I doubt the Templars would advocate that approach.

They are no longer in control of my Circle.

You're in control of a circle?

Referring back to my original plan of having the mages run the Circles as being part of the Chantry.

Sounds reasonable enough as long as the person running the tests is trustworthy.  Kinda disappointed you can test for demons so easily though.  I find the thought of demons only being able to be detected by trying to outwit them or some other means to have more potential and conflict behind it.

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

[Lord Raijin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yeah, you can try to use the "abuse" angle all you want, but it doens't make the Circles or the templars unnecessary.
There is also a limit to just how many changes or reforms you can make.
A balance between freedom and security.... efficency and restriction, etc.. and you'll NEVER make everyone happy. There will ALWAYS be unhappy mages.. in ANY system you can think off.

I never said that the Circle was unessassasy and no matter how pro-Mage I am I never said that the templars were unessassary either. I only said that they're weak for having to depend on a compound to give them false but temporary powers to control the mages. What I find unessassary is the incarceration of innocent mages. The Circle should not be run like a prison but a college to help mages to control their powers in a responsible manner, and use the Makers given gift to serve man like the Chant of Light said. What good is the Circle if you're going to use it as a prison? You're going to cause far more problems due to built-up resentments. History doesn't lie.

"I will not stand by and watch you treat all mages like criminals, while those who would lead us bow to their templar jailers. The Circle has failed us, Orsino! Even you should be able to see that! The time has come to act. There can be no half-measures. There can be no turning back. There can be no peace. I removed the chance of compromise, because there is no compromise." - Anders

Anders is a true hero and far more of a protagonist than Hawke because he actually did took the first stance of fighting for the freedom of mages.

[Xilizhra]

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

Proof positive that blood magic should not be banned, at least not completely.

[Lord Raijin]

Xilizhra wrote...

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

Proof positive that blood magic should not be banned, at least not completely.

Ban all Lyrium!


It causes far more problems than blood magic.

[Warden661]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

Proof positive that blood magic should not be banned, at least not completely.

Ban all Lyrium!


It causes far more problems than blood magic.

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Drinking darkspawn blood carries several negative side effects towards the body of a Grey Warden. Should we ban that practice too and therefore get rid of the Grey Wardens? No because, again, it's usually their choice to join, if they are asked to join at all. Plus their would be no one left to fight against the blights properly.

Same thing with the Templasrs and Lyrium. It's a practice that must be preformed if mundanes want the ability to combat magic. If they don't like the side effects, they don't join.

Modifié par BoBear, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:02 .

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

Proof positive that blood magic should not be banned, at least not completely.

But then who gets to decide who gets to use/research it? Senior Enchanters or First Enchanters?

[Dave of Canada]

BoBear wrote...

Same thing with the Templasrs and Lyrium. It's a practice that must be preformed if mundanes want the ability to combat magic. If they don't like the side effects, they don't join.

And it's relatively lax as far as side-effects go, you're provided with an education / shelter / food and equipment provided you take your daily dose of provided lyrium until the day which the Chantry retires you in Val Royeaux. Being a Templar isn't too bad of a deal for a commoner, it basically guarantees you an easier lifestyle.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 novembre 2013 - 02:06 .

[Br3admax]

Sounds like a good way to lose weight too. I'm not seeing the problem here.

[Xilizhra]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

Proof positive that blood magic should not be banned, at least not completely.

But then who gets to decide who gets to use/research it? Senior Enchanters or First Enchanters?

I imagine so; they, it seems, would know best.

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Not to be a nudge, but blood magic isn't restricted to mages...warriors can become Reavers if they wish.

Also demons seem quite capable of possessing/inhabiting non-mages (including tranquil), so this idea that ppl are safe because the mages are locked up is....unwise.

Reavers aren't blood mages. Reavers can't control the mind of people of fuel their power with the blood of other people (which makes blood magic stronger if you do it with violence). And non-mages can't be possessed if a mage (or an abomination) force the demon into the person. Mages can be possessed anytime, due to the different connection with the Fade. 
Though you're right that people aren't entirely safe from demons or other magical threats if mages are locked up. The point of the pro-templars is that locking up mages make people safer, not completely safe.

Um, you do remember that a pride demon possessed a non mage ruler in the Free Marches. And as far as we know, there was no mage involved in that possession.

We don't know wether or not he was a mage. But considering he became an Abomination, he must have been a mage. Mages can hide their talents and attain powerful positions.

The lore is vague on the subject of non mages users being possesed by demons. in fact we dont even have a proper measurment for mages being possesed let alone mundanes. Belieiving that mundanes cannot be abominations is likely going to be collosal blunder when that demon army hits thedas.

[DKJaigen]

Dave of Canada wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Same thing with the Templasrs and Lyrium. It's a practice that must be preformed if mundanes want the ability to combat magic. If they don't like the side effects, they don't join.

And it's relatively lax as far as side-effects go, you're provided with an education / shelter / food and equipment provided you take your daily dose of provided lyrium until the day which the Chantry retires you in Val Royeaux. Being a Templar isn't too bad of a deal for a commoner, it basically guarantees you an easier lifestyle.

i suggest you talk to a soldier before you make such claims.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Modern day soldiers doesn't really have much to add, on the subject of medieval age commoners joining a professional army.

[HiroVoid]

I wonder how often the average commoner has to join in war/battles as well since I would think the arl/teyrn of the land would usually call on all able-bodied individuals into service.

[BlueMagitek]

It depends if it is a standing army or a conscripted one. Given the scene at Redcliffe, I would imagine that it's a small core of warriors with most of the army being conscripts. I believe that was how it was mostly done, but it's been ages since I've gone over any tome of medieval lore. ~_^

If Thedas is mostly comprised of conscripted army with a few regulars, then it would make sense that the highly organized Qunari would be able to more or less solo the whole of Thedas and lol off current Tevinter.

[Lord Raijin]

BoBear wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Technically we don't know if either method is foolproof. But Merrill's might be the most reliable of these, sadly it would appear it is blood magic. Anders' method is certainly fallible, since a stronger and more clever demon would know to remain hidden.

Proof positive that blood magic should not be banned, at least not completely.

Ban all Lyrium!


It causes far more problems than blood magic.

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Drinking darkspawn blood carries several negative side effects towards the body of a Grey Warden. Should we ban that practice too and therefore get rid of the Grey Wardens? No because, again, it's usually their choice to join, if they are asked to join at all. Plus their would be no one left to fight against the blights properly.

Same thing with the Templasrs and Lyrium. It's a practice that must be preformed if mundanes want the ability to combat magic. If they don't like the side effects, they don't join.

Pride mage all the way

Anyhow if the templars must police the mages to prevent them from harming others or themselves then you might as well ban Lyrium and the joining ritual that the Grey wardens must undergo. It's equally bad, right?

[HiroVoid]

You'll might want to delete the picture when quoting. It takes too much room.