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[BlueMagitek]

I've noticed that a lot of people seem to enjoy quote pyramids or are too lazy to remove them. It makes me a sad panda. :/

[Lord Raijin]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I've noticed that a lot of people seem to enjoy quote pyramids or are too lazy to remove them. It makes me a sad panda. :/

It's the Templars and their crumy Chantries fault. They made it happen.

Time to teach them a lesson

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:28 .

[HiroVoid]

Lord Raijin wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I've noticed that a lot of people seem to enjoy quote pyramids or are too lazy to remove them. It makes me a sad panda. :/

It's the Templars and their crumy Chantries fault. They made it happen.

Typical mage propaganda.

[TEWR]

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Not all get that choice. Sometimes the Chantry forces people to be Templar recruits, if they're raising the people in question.

Like Alistair, for instance, but Wynne IIRC tells you how the Chantry will do this as well to others.

[HiroVoid]

Hmm....actually, could Alistair have theoretically quit? I mean, it may just be the same case where most people who have a farmer as a dad go on to become a farmer. It's not like he has many options for job opportunities or connections to get a job anywhere else.

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Not all get that choice. Sometimes the Chantry forces people to be Templar recruits, if they're raising the people in question.

Like Alistair, for instance, but Wynne IIRC tells you how the Chantry will do this as well to others.

I would personally like a source for that claim, beyond the Alistair aspect.

[TEWR]

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Not all get that choice. Sometimes the Chantry forces people to be Templar recruits, if they're raising the people in question.

Like Alistair, for instance, but Wynne IIRC tells you how the Chantry will do this as well to others.

I would personally like a source for that claim, beyond the Alistair aspect.

Well, I can't find a video of it on youtube, but I do know Wynne is the person you talk to about it.

Granted, the dialogue might or might not mention Templars, but the option is "Priests choose to be priests, Mages don't choose to be mages" essentially. My memory's been off lately. Guess I don't have nearly as good a memory as I thought I did.

Still, that Alistair wasn't exactly given a choice in the matter signifies that not everyone gets to choose their life.

[LOLandStuff]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

I remember Uldred being in league with Loghain and knowing exactly what happened at Ostagar.
The Circle turned against Uldred once they found out. I don't see how he's the victim of the templars.

Ulderd was a member of the Libertarian in the Fraternities of Enchanters.

Had the Circle been a self-regulating order without the Chantry involvements incidents such as what happen in Circle tower would of never happen.

It is the Chantries ridiculous rules and regulation is what push mages into desperate acts.

So how does Uldred being a Libertarian excuse him from trying to put demons into people and trying to kill you? Oh wait, right...Templars and Chantry opression. Nor the Chantry or the Templars intervened between the mages. You can't even accept that there are bad mages and keep coming up with the dumbest excuses.
Besides, if you trust a man who let his king die because of paranoia then you're a moron and deserve what you get.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Ultimately taking the Lyrium is a choice the Templar makes for himself.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

I remember Uldred being in league with Loghain and knowing exactly what happened at Ostagar.
The Circle turned against Uldred once they found out. I don't see how he's the victim of the templars.

Ulderd was a member of the Libertarian in the Fraternities of Enchanters.

Had the Circle been a self-regulating order without the Chantry involvements incidents such as what happen in Circle tower would of never happen.

It is the Chantries ridiculous rules and regulation is what push mages into desperate acts.

So how does Uldred being a Libertarian excuse him from trying to put demons into people and trying to kill you? Oh wait, right...Templars and Chantry opression. Nor the Chantry or the Templars intervened between the mages. You can't even accept that there are bad mages and keep coming up with the dumbest excuses.
Besides, if you trust a man who let his king die because of paranoia then you're a moron and deserve what you get.

I'm just surprised that he hasn't blamed the first cell to divide itself on Thedas yet, for all the evil in the world.

[dragonflight288]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Not all get that choice. Sometimes the Chantry forces people to be Templar recruits, if they're raising the people in question.

Like Alistair, for instance, but Wynne IIRC tells you how the Chantry will do this as well to others.

I would personally like a source for that claim, beyond the Alistair aspect.

Well, I can't find a video of it on youtube, but I do know Wynne is the person you talk to about it.

Granted, the dialogue might or might not mention Templars, but the option is "Priests choose to be priests, Mages don't choose to be mages" essentially. My memory's been off lately. Guess I don't have nearly as good a memory as I thought I did.

Still, that Alistair wasn't exactly given a choice in the matter signifies that not everyone gets to choose their life.

It is. You're talking to Wynne about the Circle, and Wynne talks about the Revered Mother in the Circle's Chantry who comforted her when she was 16. Wynne mentions that that Revered Mother had been given to the Chantry as a girl, and had been raised and made a priest by the Chantry as a result, and Wynne also says that many people like Alistair, orphans taken in by the Chantry, don't really have many choices, and some have to become priests or templars.

The way she says it doesn't make it sound like they're forced to do it, but I think they have to do it simply because they lack the skills for other careers.

[dragonflight288]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Ultimately taking the Lyrium is a choice the Templar makes for himself.

It is also, ultimately, a templar's biggest weakness. Take away their lyrium, they can start losing their minds, or even die in extreme cases. They have to have it.

[LOLandStuff]

Andraste's rebellion is to blame. It's because of her the Chantry exists since there are so many andrastians and everyone is afraid of mages.
But what if Andraste was a powerful mage? Who the heck oppressed her? It's obvious being a slave to Old Gods worshiping blood mages is nothing compared to living in a Circle. Clearly she could see into the future where a Chantry existed and then...Oppression by the Chantry and Templars through that vision.
My theory is logical, thus it cannot be flawed.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Lord raijin generalizes and profiles mages more the any protemplar I've ever seen. He just assumes ththat because they're mages, they are automatically in the right and the victims of everything. And he's just as quick to put the blame on someone else, because a mage cannot be a human being. Human beings are flawed and have variety to them, you can get a good and a bad human. But raijin doesn't accept that mages are human, and open to flaws. He wants them to be perfect blameless sterile dolls.

Its disgusting and the worse kind of biased viewpoint to take, imo.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Ultimately taking the Lyrium is a choice the Templar makes for himself.

Very true. However, is the addiction to lyrium common knowledge though? Because I feel like that would turn off some who would otherwise try to join the Order.

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Ultimately taking the Lyrium is a choice the Templar makes for himself.

Very true. However, is the addiction to lyrium common knowledge though? Because I feel like that would turn off some who would otherwise try to join the Order.

Well, the templar in Denerim with the templar suffering from lyrium addiction is fine with sharing the information.

[EmperorSahlertz]

At least the effects of the Lyrium is common knowledge amongst the Templars. If someone was uncomfotable with this, he could stop taking it.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Ultimately taking the Lyrium is a choice the Templar makes for himself.

It is also, ultimately, a templar's biggest weakness. Take away their lyrium, they can start losing their minds, or even die in extreme cases. They have to have it.

Tis rather sad. They sentence themselves to a life of mages and abominations, only to slowly descend slowly into madness from the addiction. If they do not fall to magic, then they lose out to the lyrium. I may have many issues with the Order, but it is rather noble what they must endure.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

At least the effects of the Lyrium is common knowledge amongst the Templars. If someone was uncomfotable with this, he could stop taking it.

But would they be allowed to do so and remain within the Order?

[HiroVoid]

dragonflight288 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But you choose to be a Templar. People know this can happen and they still sign up anyway. It's their own choice and therefore they can only blame themselves.

Not all get that choice. Sometimes the Chantry forces people to be Templar recruits, if they're raising the people in question.

Like Alistair, for instance, but Wynne IIRC tells you how the Chantry will do this as well to others.

I would personally like a source for that claim, beyond the Alistair aspect.

Well, I can't find a video of it on youtube, but I do know Wynne is the person you talk to about it.

Granted, the dialogue might or might not mention Templars, but the option is "Priests choose to be priests, Mages don't choose to be mages" essentially. My memory's been off lately. Guess I don't have nearly as good a memory as I thought I did.

Still, that Alistair wasn't exactly given a choice in the matter signifies that not everyone gets to choose their life.

It is. You're talking to Wynne about the Circle, and Wynne talks about the Revered Mother in the Circle's Chantry who comforted her when she was 16. Wynne mentions that that Revered Mother had been given to the Chantry as a girl, and had been raised and made a priest by the Chantry as a result, and Wynne also says that many people like Alistair, orphans taken in by the Chantry, don't really have many choices, and some have to become priests or templars.

The way she says it doesn't make it sound like they're forced to do it, but I think they have to do it simply because they lack the skills for other careers.

This is pretty much what I was thinking though I would think if you could be a templar, you'd probably have the skills to become a guard or mercenary.  Of course, we've also seen elven mercenaries, so it's a career open to basically everyone.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

At least the effects of the Lyrium is common knowledge amongst the Templars. If someone was uncomfotable with this, he could stop taking it.

But would they be allowed to do so and remain within the Order?

Of course not. They wouldn't be Templars anymore. They would just be men in metal suits, and not anymore suited to fight mages than a normal city guard.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 06 novembre 2013 - 07:38 .

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

At least the effects of the Lyrium is common knowledge amongst the Templars. If someone was uncomfotable with this, he could stop taking it.

But would they be allowed to do so and remain within the Order?

Of course not. They wouldn't be Templars anymore. They would just be men in metal suits, and not anymore suited to fight mages than a normal city guard.

Thanks. I was merely asking for clarification's sake.

[Hellion Rex]

Query: Do we have any elven templars? I am sincerely curious.

[LOLandStuff]

Elves look silly in heavy armor.

[TEWR]

None.