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[Hellion Rex]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Elves look silly in heavy armor.

Dat Arcane Warrior though.

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

Query: Do we have any elven templars? I am sincerely curious.

I could go in the Awakenings character creator and make one real quick.

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Query: Do we have any elven templars? I am sincerely curious.

I could go in the Awakenings character creator and make one real quick.

Outside of the Playable Character...

[HiroVoid]

Eh....based on the Chantry taking in and raising kids at times (no idea how the whole system works), I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few or so chantries have raised elves who went on to become priests and (possibly) templars.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...
For those who say that the actions of some justify treating all the same, I call for evidence the proves that the Circles are effective are preventing abominations and blood magic in the first place.

Circles are effective are preventing abominations and blood magic from causing too much harm. It is logical, and not to be contested.
After all, mages are in the tower, away from the normal populace.
An abomination and blood mage doesn't rampage trough the streets of a city killing lord-know-how-many. They are usually put down by the templars before they can do too much damage.

I don't see it as reducing the number of blood mages and abominations, as there is little you can do to change the hearts of men. What it does is reduce the damage, the total death toll.

[Dio Demon]

HiroVoid wrote...

Eh....based on the Chantry taking in and raising kids at times (no idea how the whole system works), I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few or so chantries have raised elves who went on to become priests and (possibly) templars.

I don't think they'd get very far in the hierarchy though, you know racial animosity between the two races; despite the fact the Chantry may or may not really care but the general populace is where the most hatred is.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xilizhra wrote...

Because you can't detect who is possesed and who isn't?
A smart abomination can easily hide.

Use a spell to analyze their blood; they can be detected that way. Or just hitting them.

Can they?
Or is this another case of "Allistair, lyrium & templar abilities" or ""Hello blood mage Hawke, did you see any blood mages today?
Or maybe Merill is full of it?

If there was a simple method of detecting demons, everyone would jump on it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Raijin wrote...
I never said that the Circle was unessassasy and no matter how pro-Mage I am I never said that the templars were unessassary either. I only said that they're weak for having to depend on a compound to give them false but temporary powers to control the mages.

How are their powers "false"? They are very real and tengible.

Also, how are they weak? Are you weak if you use body armro to fight agaisnt a guy with a gun?

What I find unessassary is the incarceration of innocent mages. The Circle should not be run like a prison but a college to help mages to control their powers in a responsible manner, and use the Makers given gift to serve man like the Chant of Light said. What good is the Circle if you're going to use it as a prison? You're going to cause far more problems due to built-up resentments. History doesn't lie.

False history does lie.
And real history is not applicable to mages, because..ya know.. real history didnt' have mages.

You keep barking up the wrong tree. It's not about innocence. It never was.

"I will not stand by and watch you treat all mages like criminals, while those who would lead us bow to their templar jailers. The Circle has failed us, Orsino! Even you should be able to see that! The time has come to act. There can be no half-measures. There can be no turning back. There can be no peace. I removed the chance of compromise, because there is no compromise." - Anders

Anders meet Muderknife. Murderknife, meet Anders. - Me

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Because you can't detect who is possesed and who isn't?
A smart abomination can easily hide.

Use a spell to analyze their blood; they can be detected that way. Or just hitting them.

Can they?
Or is this another case of "Allistair, lyrium & templar abilities" or ""Hello blood mage Hawke, did you see any blood mages today?
Or maybe Merill is full of it?

If there was a simple method of detecting demons, everyone would jump on it.

Yeah, I did not really buy what Anders did to Keran really. I feel like a real demon would have known what he was trying to do, and remained hidden.

[TEWR]

Or maybe Merill is full of it?

Hardly. In DAO, when you're exploring the alienage for Ser Otto you can detect that the blood outside the Veil-torn orphanage smells like "rotting eggs", a trait common in sulphur's smell -- which has historically been associated with Demons.

Meaning that if a person has trace of demons in their blood, it's because their blood smells sulphuric.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:20 .

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or maybe Merill is full of it?

Hardly. In DAO, when you're exploring the alienage for Ser Otto you can detect that the blood outside the Veil-torn orphanage smells like "rotting eggs", a trait common in sulphur's smell -- which has historically been associated with Demons.

Meaning that if a person has trace of demons in their blood, it's because their blood smells sulphuric.

Ser Otto's quest was one of the few times that I really felt like we were facing a true demon. Scared the **** out of me.

Modifié par eluvianix, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:22 .

[TEWR]

Heh, I didn't find it all that scary. I haven't really seen many games that succeeded in the scariness factor. Normally, it seems that games try too hard to be scary, and end up being more... silly. Narm I think would be the word.

I think I was more genuinely made uneasy by Kingdom Hearts' End of the World, and certainly by the travels through the space towards it. Music didn't help either. Granted, I was about... 11 or 12. Though it still has that sort of unnerving quality on me today.

Atmosphere is what gets to me. Because if you feel uneasy in the atmosphere of an area, everything can scare the living hell out of you.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:31 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...
It is also, ultimately, a templar's biggest weakness. Take away their lyrium, they can start losing their minds, or even die in extreme cases. They have to have it.

Has that happened? 
I dont' recall ever hearing about it in-game.

Also, lyrium addiction seems to work like any other addiction - a horrible withdrawal phase after which one gradually recovers (unless he was already frakked up by that point).

We did meet ex-templars and they seemed allright.

[TEWR]

Has that happened?
I dont' recall ever hearing about it in-game.

I think Samson alluded to it. That, or he said it felt like you were dying.

But then, that could be essentially the same thing. The withdrawal could actually be killing you. Or it could just be a bad withdrawal and nothing more.

[Dio Demon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
It is also, ultimately, a templar's biggest weakness. Take away their lyrium, they can start losing their minds, or even die in extreme cases. They have to have it.

Has that happened? 
I dont' recall ever hearing about it in-game.

Also, lyrium addiction seems to work like any other addiction - a horrible withdrawal phase after which one gradually recovers (unless he was already frakked up by that point).

We did meet ex-templars and they seemed allright.

Well in DA II the ex-templar Sampson does say 'that if you ever quit ,it just about kills ya' in regards to lyrium. But he's probably just trying to justify his continued addiction.

But it can lead to death probably, in the "I can fly, I can fly" kinda way, just nothing really concrete.

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
It is also, ultimately, a templar's biggest weakness. Take away their lyrium, they can start losing their minds, or even die in extreme cases. They have to have it.

Has that happened? 
I dont' recall ever hearing about it in-game.

Also, lyrium addiction seems to work like any other addiction - a horrible withdrawal phase after which one gradually recovers (unless he was already frakked up by that point).

We did meet ex-templars and they seemed allright.

Who did we meet?

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...
 I only said that they're weak for having to depend on a compound to give them false but temporary powers to control the mages.

And mages are weak for having to rely on blood magic and demons for their false and temporary powers. Oh and if they were so strong they wouldn't be "imprisoned" to begin with.

 

What I find unessassary is the incarceration of innocent mages. The Circle should not be run like a prison but a college to help mages to control their powers in a responsible manner, and use the Makers given gift to serve man like the Chant of Light said. What good is the Circle if you're going to use it as a prison? You're going to cause far more problems due to built-up resentments. History doesn't lie.

 
Tell that to the mages partying it up during their yearly meeting instead of doing anything to improve the condition of the mages under their leadership. It's not just Templars that allowed the Circle to be run the way it was.

Anders is a true hero and far more of a protagonist than Hawke because he actually did took the first stance of fighting for the freedom of mages.

Anders was a bit more reasonable in DA awakening when he says that mages couldn't just walk away from the Circle. He was right then. Makes me wonder if your quote belongs more to Justice than to him.

Oh yeah and my Hawke is the hero of Kirkwall not mages so my guy is always the number one protagonist of the story.

[TEWR]

Who did we meet?

Samson. We also met Irminric, who while not an ex-Templar was going through withdrawal nonetheless.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or maybe Merill is full of it?

Hardly. In DAO, when you're exploring the alienage for Ser Otto you can detect that the blood outside the Veil-torn orphanage smells like "rotting eggs", a trait common in sulphur's smell -- which has historically been associated with Demons.

Meaning that if a person has trace of demons in their blood, it's because their blood smells sulphuric.

As "cool" as that might be, what you are claiming have little baering in the Thedas. Simply put, there is nothing that indicates what Merrill did, had any connection to what the Warden smelled at the orphanage.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or maybe Merill is full of it?

Hardly. In DAO, when you're exploring the alienage for Ser Otto you can detect that the blood outside the Veil-torn orphanage smells like "rotting eggs", a trait common in sulphur's smell -- which has historically been associated with Demons.

Meaning that if a person has trace of demons in their blood, it's because their blood smells sulphuric.

Too convinent and too silly.
Like I said - why doesn't anyone use this method?
And dont' tell me "tempalrs consider it blood magic" since not all templars are alike. We've seen quite a few that are quite willing to flip the Divine a bird and use shady methods.
After all, many say plachyietries are blood magic, yet the tempalrs use them. But if all it takes to detect an abomination is a drop of  a mans blood and a good nose, then everyone would be using it.

Gregoir clearly states that there is no way to know and I've set to see DG ever deny that.
It seems to me that DA writers aren't communicating well enough.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

Yeah, I did not really buy what Anders did to Keran really. I feel like a real demon would have known what he was trying to do, and remained hidden.

I guess Anders' method would work agaisnt a weaker demon, like Rage og Hunger. But any of the more powerful demons, would be smart enough to remain hidden. But then again, a Hunger or Rage demon are rarely, if ever, capable of masking their presence in the first place....

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or maybe Merill is full of it?

Hardly. In DAO, when you're exploring the alienage for Ser Otto you can detect that the blood outside the Veil-torn orphanage smells like "rotting eggs", a trait common in sulphur's smell -- which has historically been associated with Demons.

Meaning that if a person has trace of demons in their blood, it's because their blood smells sulphuric.

As "cool" as that might be, what you are claiming have little baering in the Thedas. Simply put, there is nothing that indicates what Merrill did, had any connection to what the Warden smelled at the orphanage.

They are indeed two separate scenarios. And just because the Warden smelled rotten eggs, does not necessarily mean he was using magic to detect an evil presence. Also, I have been reading up on Ser Otto. He was actually able to sense the presence of evil, in lieu of having his actual sight. If we had more templars who could sense magic like he could, minus the loss of their eyesight, we might be able to solve the problem of detecting demons easier.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Yeah, I did not really buy what Anders did to Keran really. I feel like a real demon would have known what he was trying to do, and remained hidden.

I guess Anders' method would work agaisnt a weaker demon, like Rage og Hunger. But any of the more powerful demons, would be smart enough to remain hidden. But then again, a Hunger or Rage demon are rarely, if ever, capable of masking their presence in the first place....

But then again, Gaider has mentioned that there are more complex aspects of Rage like Retribution. These higher tiers of rage or hunger might be able to hide themselves much easier. But the run of the mill rage and hunger demons would not be smart enough to hide.

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or maybe Merill is full of it?

Hardly. In DAO, when you're exploring the alienage for Ser Otto you can detect that the blood outside the Veil-torn orphanage smells like "rotting eggs", a trait common in sulphur's smell -- which has historically been associated with Demons.

Meaning that if a person has trace of demons in their blood, it's because their blood smells sulphuric.

Too convinent and too silly.
Like I said - why doesn't anyone use this method?
And dont' tell me "tempalrs consider it blood magic" since not all templars are alike. We've seen quite a few that are quite willing to flip the Divine a bird and use shady methods.
After all, many say plachyietries are blood magic, yet the tempalrs use them. But if all it takes to detect an abomination is a drop of  a mans blood and a good nose, then everyone would be using it.

Gregoir clearly states that there is no way to know and I've set to see DG ever deny that.
It seems to me that DA writers aren't communicating well enough.

I am thinking that there is indeed no foolproof method to figuring it out, yet. But you have people like Ser Otto who can sense evil on a deeper level than most could, but it was at the loss of his eyesight. If only there was a way to help templars hone their senses further...

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think we should put too much into that quest, since it was just one big exorcist reference. We should just chalk up Ser Otto's abilities to "good intuition", and move on.