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[Senya]

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I think she has valid reasons to be concerned when you are entering a relationship with a manipulative woman, an assassin that tried to murder you, another assassin, and Alistair the idiot.

It's still none of her business who I want to get into an intimate relationship with.

How dare she act like a person and express concerns to who your dating

If I want relationship advices I will ask her for it. I don't need her to lecturing me about love either.

"Love is ultimately selfish. It demands that one be devoted to a single person, who may fully occupy one's mind and heart, to the exclusion of all else."

Well... I've found that statement to be true often enough in real life.

[Reaverwind]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If I want relationship advices I will ask her for it. I don't need her to lecturing me about love either.

"Love is ultimately selfish. It demands that one be devoted to a single person, who may fully occupy one's mind and heart, to the exclusion of all else."

That's not love, that's obsession. Should we be surprised that an Abomination doesn't know the difference?

[Lord Raijin]

Br3ad wrote...
No they can't.

Yes they can.

It shouldn't be used at all. All it does is weaken the Veil and hurt the minds of others and the user.

If a mage wants to use their own life force to cast magic during battle then it is their business. As far as hurting the minds of others... What about templars who uses holy smite? It stuns the mage, or and how they can drain their mana. The skills that a templar uses is no better than a blood mage using mind control.

You don't have to pratice mind control as a blood mage.You can do other things as well.

[Senya]

Blood Magic weakens the Veil with its very use. And a Holy Smite is temporarily stunning the Mage and draining mana is no different than disarming someone. None of these invades a person's mind. At most, it's a disarming of a mage and leaving him knocked out.

[Br3admax]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
No they can't.

Yes they can.

Look up what an abomination is.

It shouldn't be used at all. All it does is weaken the Veil and hurt the minds of others and the user.

If a mage wants to use their own life force to cast magic during battle then it is their business. As far as hurting the minds of others... What about templars who uses holy smite? It stuns the mage, or and how they can drain their mana. The skills that a templar uses is no better than a blood mage using mind control.

You don't have to pratice mind control as a blood mage.You can do other things as well.

How does that weaken the Veil and how does a stun kill? 

[General TSAR]

So a Templar using Holy Smite (a skill that is only effective against Magical Users and only temporarily stuns) is no different than a Blood Mage who is mind enslaving a dozen Mundanes to do his/her bidding?

Nice logic there.

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 octobre 2013 - 10:27 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Holy Smite is a more simple form of spirit magic. How is that the same as blood magic?

[General TSAR]

Holy Smite is nothing more than Thedas's version of a flashbang.

[dragonflight288]

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And the fact that they can become possessed abominations is part of it too

None-mages can become abominations as well so what of it?

No they can't.

That's semantics. An abomination is a mage specifically getting possessed.

Non-mages can also get possessed, and just as easily as a mage can if they come across a demon.

Blood magic isn't for the novice. It should be casted by experienced mages.

It shouldn't be used at all. All it does is weaken the Veil and hurt the minds of others and the user. 

By that reasoning, Circles shouldn't exist either, because concentrated magic, like a lot of mages practicing their spells, naturally weakens the veil as well.

source: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Veil

Modifié par dragonflight288, 23 octobre 2013 - 01:02 .

[cjones91]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And the fact that they can become possessed abominations is part of it too

None-mages can become abominations as well so what of it?

No they can't.

That's semantics. An abomination is a mage specifically getting possessed.

Non-mages can also get possessed, and just as easily as a mage can if they come across a demon.

Blood magic isn't for the novice. It should be casted by experienced mages.

It shouldn't be used at all. All it does is weaken the Veil and hurt the minds of others and the user. 

By that reasoning, Circles shouldn't exist either, because concentrated magic, like a lot of mages practicing their spells, naturally weakens the veil as well.

source: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Veil

Holy logic Batman!You've just trapped him in a logical loophole.

[dragonflight288]

cjones91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And the fact that they can become possessed abominations is part of it too

None-mages can become abominations as well so what of it?

No they can't.

That's semantics. An abomination is a mage specifically getting possessed.

Non-mages can also get possessed, and just as easily as a mage can if they come across a demon.

Blood magic isn't for the novice. It should be casted by experienced mages.

It shouldn't be used at all. All it does is weaken the Veil and hurt the minds of others and the user. 

By that reasoning, Circles shouldn't exist either, because concentrated magic, like a lot of mages practicing their spells, naturally weakens the veil as well.

source: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Veil

Holy logic Batman!You've just trapped him in a logical loophole.

[Hazegurl]

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

[dragonflight288]

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

Well i can spare few and brainwash them having control over them and they will prepare joining others will be dead my new empire doesn't need unstable monsters and psychopats and i hope that i can take control over wardens as well. 

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

Well i can spare few and brainwash them having control over them and they will prepare joining others will be dead my new empire doesn't need unstable monsters and psychopats and i hope that i can take control over wardens as well. 

Until the Wardens use the Right of Conscription on you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

Well i can spare few and brainwash them having control over them and they will prepare joining others will be dead my new empire doesn't need unstable monsters and psychopats and i hope that i can take control over wardens as well. 

Until the Wardens use the Right of Conscription on you.

they won't have power over new thedas god and they will be controled by me "so im the law!":D

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

Well i can spare few and brainwash them having control over them and they will prepare joining others will be dead my new empire doesn't need unstable monsters and psychopats and i hope that i can take control over wardens as well. 

Until the Wardens use the Right of Conscription on you.

they won't have power over new thedas god and they will be controled by me "so im the law!":D

Oh darn.

Guess they'll have to rely on their vaunted neutrality and stay out of politics.

[Hazegurl]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

 Most not all. Some could still be useful but their numbers should have been reduced from the start. I don't get why the Chantry didn't just lessen their numbers and instead opted to concentrate them into one area. Even if the mages themselves agreed to go to the Circles( I don't remember if they did or not), the Chantry should have known how useless the Circles would have been in the long run.

[dragonflight288]

Hazegurl wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree that being a mage in DA2 was stupid. They most likely added it to please players who love playing mages or something. I won't knock BW for adding it cause I do love playing mages but the story would have been much better if everyone didn't give Hawke a free pass.

As for Circles. I agree that Circles are a stupid idea from the very start. Yeah, let's just throw mages in one location and give them free reign to practice their magic. Oh noes, some are turning into abominations cause they don't like being locked up and the veil just so happens to be weak here. A lot of problems could have been revolved if most mages were just killed outright. But nope the Chantry just had to show mercy.

If mages were killed outright, the world is doomed to a never-ending blight. Mages are required to prepare the joining. How much they are needed isn't made clear, but the only sources we have say it's the mages who prepare the joining itself.

Without mages, there are no grey wardens, and without grey wardens, there is no ending a blight.

 Most not all. Some could still be useful but their numbers should have been reduced from the start. I don't get why the Chantry didn't just lessen their numbers and instead opted to concentrate them into one area. Even if the mages themselves agreed to go to the Circles( I don't remember if they did or not), the Chantry should have known how useless the Circles would have been in the long run.

Because mass slaughtering people weakens the veil. Violence on such a scale would tear it and open the world to a demonic invasion. It happened in Rivain, it happened in the Brecilian Forest, it happened in the Denerim's alienage orphanage.

They would only cause far more problems of the same sort they would try to prevent by doing so.

[Hazegurl]

Well, it seems to be a damned if they do and damned if they don't situation. The only thing I can say is that at least a large number of mages wouldn't be around to take full advantage of the weakened veil. I don't really see how it's much different than the mass slaughtering and wars that have been fought over the years and the current war the mages are bringing with their uprising. Either way Thedas was destined to be f**ked but I still think that it's better to have a weak veil and no mages to mess with it than to have a weak veil and a large pool of mages drawing power from it. I do hope the storyline and choices in DA:I concerning the weak veil is good and offer us real solutions to the problem.

I actually wouldn't mind a mage genophage solution to lower their birth rates.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...
Because mass slaughtering people weakens the veil. Violence on such a scale would tear it and open the world to a demonic invasion. It happened in Rivain, it happened in the Brecilian Forest, it happened in the Denerim's alienage orphanage.

They would only cause far more problems of the same sort they would try to prevent by doing so.

Mages are too few for one to be concerned over that.
It takes the deaths of tens of thousands - massive, huge, world wars. That or mages forcibly ripping the veil open.
But just killing a hundered mages? Nope.
If that was the case, every older town in TheDas would have been a portal to the fade by now.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Reaverwind wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If I want relationship advices I will ask her for it. I don't need her to lecturing me about love either.

"Love is ultimately selfish. It demands that one be devoted to a single person, who may fully occupy one's mind and heart, to the exclusion of all else."

That's not love, that's obsession. Should we be surprised that an Abomination doesn't know the difference?

Does that mean you support polygamy?

[Lord Raijin]

Merged

General TSAR wrote...

So a Templar using Holy Smite (a skill that is only effective against Magical Users and only temporarily stuns) is no different than a Blood Mage who is mind enslaving a dozen Mundanes to do his/her bidding?

Nice logic there.

Necanor wrote...

Holy Smite is a more simple form of spirit magic. How is that the same as blood magic?

General TSAR wrote...

Holy Smite is nothing more than Thedas's version of a flashbang.

Templars uses Holy smite to control the mind of the spellcaster; to force them to forget what they were fighting for a certain amount of time. If that isn't simular to what blood mages use to control the minds of their enemy then I don't know what is.

[TurretSyndrome]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Templars uses Holy smite to control the mind of the spellcaster; to force them to forget what they were fighting for a certain amount of time. If that isn't simular to what blood mages use to control the minds of their enemy then I don't know what is.

Don't confuse combat ability description with lore.