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[Lord Raijin]

[quote]eluvianix wrote...
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I can understand their pain, their desperation, but that still does not make it right, on either side.

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What are the mages suppose to do? Let the templars abuse them or fight back? Elthina had no intentions to fixing the problems that was rising up.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...
Where did you get that quote from?

I made it along with the meme. I found the photo (or the scene) to be a powerful statement that both mages and templars can aid each other.

This was one of my favorite quests in DA2.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...
Lyrium Potions..

Where would a mage store a bunch of Lyrium Potions in his robes?

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Lyrium Potions..

Where would a mage store a bunch of Lyrium Potions in his robes?

I think of them as more of lyrium vials, and probably they put them in those pouches on the belt.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Where did you get that quote from?

I made it along with the meme. I found the photo (or the scene) to be a powerful statement that both mages and templars can aid each other.

This was one of my favorite quests in DA2.

That was very well written. Nice post.

[Warden661]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Yes, especially the ones that offer benefits. I'll remember this the next time I take an asprin.

Besides, I would take back my statement that Lyrium is in fact a drug. It isn't. All it is is magic in its physical form. Unless you are claiming that magic is a drug. 

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

You learn blood magic by making deals with demons. You don't learn blood magic to taking a drug. This is a fail at best. What do you mean when you say "imprisoned"?  I don't follow you.

 

Call it a fail all you like, but Mages turn to demons and blood magic out of weakness. Relying on Lyrium is a crutch that grants the user unnatural abilities or enhances them, the same is said for demon summoning. You can't cry about mages being weak and turning to demons then call Templars weak for turning to Lyrium and expect to be taken seriously.  And what I mean by imprison, is to be in a prison. You know, like you continue to claim that's where the mages are in the Circle.
 

No matter how many meeting the Senior Enchanters to First Enchanters things will not change unless if the Chantry allows it.

And it also will not change if the Mage leaders never bother to take strides to make those changes. They sat on their a**es and partied for years while they had the sympathy of the Divine in their pocket and did nothing with it. You can place the blame on the Templars all you like, but the Mage leaders share half the responsibility for how the Circles turned out.

I am a big fan of Justice, both in DAO: A and in DA2. I am hoping that we get to see him yet again in DAI. He at least acknowledges the injustice that mages goes through under Chantry rulings.

 
Have fun with that. I for one hope to never see that annoying idiot ever again.

Hawke is so overated.

As is Anders.

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

But of course. This is the Templar Support thread and I'm defending the templars from your accusation that they lack honor by saying that they, at least, are not pedophiles.

I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with anything?

[TEWR]

Hazegurl wrote...

Patrice wasn't that bad. She recognized the Qunari threat and wanted to quash it...okay a lot of it was fueled by her own prejudices. But she wasn't wrong about the danger they posed to the city. I hated that my Hawke had to be a stern personality type to side with her.

Petrice was a moron who couldn't be bothered to see the grand scheme of things and focused solely on the short-term, willing to endanger all of Thedas in a war with the Qunari.

One, the Qunari in Kirkwall weren't doing jack **** to cause trouble. Two, it took all of Thedas just to be able to start pushing the Qunari back, and Ferelden has suffered from a Blight that crippled its army pretty badly and is only just starting to recover, so that nixes one nation.

She's extremely lucky that the Qunari are patient and weren't willing to go full-scale war after the incident in Kirkwall, and if the Qunari hadn't killed her I would've. 

Regardless if I'd sided with her or not.

[Xilizhra]

Something that pleases me: there's a good chance that Evangeline won't even be in DAI, due to creating a major plot snarl for players who have Wynne dead in their games. And if she's not, the same may well go for Rhys and Adrian. As a result, none of you, if I'm right, will be able to kill them, ever.

Also, Lambert is almost certainly dead, given the tone of the ending. And due to Asunder's plot contradicting the canon of several possible playthroughs, it's possible none of its characters will show up, removing all possible chances of revenge.

[Hazegurl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Patrice wasn't that bad. She recognized the Qunari threat and wanted to quash it...okay a lot of it was fueled by her own prejudices. But she wasn't wrong about the danger they posed to the city. I hated that my Hawke had to be a stern personality type to side with her.

Petrice was a moron who couldn't be bothered to see the grand scheme of things and focused solely on the short-term, willing to endanger all of Thedas in a war with the Qunari.

One, the Qunari in Kirkwall weren't doing jack **** to cause trouble. Two, it took all of Thedas just to be able to start pushing the Qunari back, and Ferelden has suffered from a Blight that crippled its army pretty badly and is only just starting to recover, so that nixes one nation.

She's extremely lucky that the Qunari are patient and weren't willing to go full-scale war after the incident in Kirkwall, and if the Qunari hadn't killed her I would've. 

Regardless if I'd sided with her or not.

The Arishok was growing increasingly angry over the fact that Kirkwall was not like the Qun. He expresses these feelings on the very first meeting Hawke has with him in Act one before Patrice even becomes involved. The dude was a time bomb. Not saying Patrice was the brightest bulb, she helped push the war. But the Arishok was just as ready for one, he wanted to convert Kirkwall and then decided to do it by force.

It didn't help that the Arishok was lying to the Viscount about the reason for his presence in Kirkwall and hording explosives... mind you he was hording them since Act one.  The Viscount was too busy soiling his own drawers to get the Arishok to leave even after Hawke goes to him and reports how increasingly violent he is becoming. 

I highly doubt the Arishok was going to just sit on his butt forever, especially at the beginning of Act 2 when he remarks about his how his lot hasn't changed since first meeting Hawke. It's no surprise to me that he acts against Kirkwall the moment their book is confirmed lost and out of his reach which pretty much meant that he wouldn't be able to return home.

@Xil, I actually like the idea of the book not being canon and none of the characters showing up cause if I had a choice none of them would even be in my game.  I don't like having characters from books and comics made canon in my game thus forcing me to buy the extra materials and reading a bunch of crap that couldn't possibly have happened in my game, such as Wynne being alive if I killed her off in origins or something. If they are going to add them then give me the option to kill them.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 07 novembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Something that pleases me: there's a good chance that Evangeline won't even be in DAI, due to creating a major plot snarl for players who have Wynne dead in their games. And if she's not, the same may well go for Rhys and Adrian. As a result, none of you, if I'm right, will be able to kill them, ever.

Also, Lambert is almost certainly dead, given the tone of the ending. And due to Asunder's plot contradicting the canon of several possible playthroughs, it's possible none of its characters will show up, removing all possible chances of revenge.

Curse you and your logic, Xil.<_< I really want to meet the characters from Asunder.

And Lambert's death was also corroborated by the WoT, so he seems to be pretty dead...for now.

Modifié par eluvianix, 07 novembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[Xilizhra]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something that pleases me: there's a good chance that Evangeline won't even be in DAI, due to creating a major plot snarl for players who have Wynne dead in their games. And if she's not, the same may well go for Rhys and Adrian. As a result, none of you, if I'm right, will be able to kill them, ever.

Also, Lambert is almost certainly dead, given the tone of the ending. And due to Asunder's plot contradicting the canon of several possible playthroughs, it's possible none of its characters will show up, removing all possible chances of revenge.

Curse you and your logic, Xil.<_< I really want to meet the characters from Asunder.

And Lambert's death was also corroborated by the WoT, so he seems to be pretty dead...for now.

I'd enjoy it, but it's probably better this way than the templar crowd constantly posting death videos on Youtube or something.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something that pleases me: there's a good chance that Evangeline won't even be in DAI, due to creating a major plot snarl for players who have Wynne dead in their games. And if she's not, the same may well go for Rhys and Adrian. As a result, none of you, if I'm right, will be able to kill them, ever.

Also, Lambert is almost certainly dead, given the tone of the ending. And due to Asunder's plot contradicting the canon of several possible playthroughs, it's possible none of its characters will show up, removing all possible chances of revenge.

Curse you and your logic, Xil.<_< I really want to meet the characters from Asunder.

And Lambert's death was also corroborated by the WoT, so he seems to be pretty dead...for now.

I'd enjoy it, but it's probably better this way than the templar crowd constantly posting death videos on Youtube or something.

Leiliana and Anders laugh at your logic.

[TEWR]

Hazegurl wrote...

The Arishok was growing increasingly angry over the fact that Kirkwall was not like the Qun. He expresses these feelings on the very first meeting Hawke has with him in Act one before Patrice even becomes involved. The dude was a time bomb. Not saying Patrice was the brightest bulb, she helped push the war. But the Arishok was just as ready for one, he wanted to convert Kirkwall and then decided to do it by force.

Actually, no. While he expresses his dissatisfaction with Kirkwall being a chaotic haven for scum and villainy repeatedly, he acknowledges that it is NOT his role to try and convert the populus. He makes this very clear over the course of the game that while he hates being stranded there, his duty lay elsewhere.

It didn't help that the Arishok was lying to the Viscount about the reason for his presence in Kirkwall and hording explosives... mind you he was hording them since Act one.  The Viscount was too busy soiling his own drawers to get the Arishok to leave even after Hawke goes to him and reports how increasingly violent he is becoming. 

So.... what? While being forthright would've helped, I can't exactly blame him for the lack of trust, considering how people view the Qunari and how people would be willing to sell the artifact to the highest bidder.

And he wasn't hoarding explosives. He was hoarding the recipe for explosives. Big difference.

I highly doubt the Arishok was going to just sit on his butt forever, especially at the beginning of Act 2 when he remarks about his how his lot hasn't changed since first meeting Hawke. It's no surprise to me that he acts against Kirkwall the moment their book is confirmed lost and out of his reach which pretty much meant that he wouldn't be able to return home.

If he had his book, chances are he would have gone back home. If people had left him alone, he might've indeed done nothing unless new orders came in from Seheron/Par Vollen.

Provided, of course, that there wasn't a large series of conversions that bolstered his fighting force in the periods between his landing and his acquiring of the relic. Then I could see him taking it upon himself to convert Kirkwall.

As it stood, very few people joined the Qun until **** hit the fan, wherein a large portion of Elves decided they'd help out the Qunari en masse because they had more hope for better treatment under that particular government then any other Thedosian one.

I won't cast any blame on the Qunari other then their lack of upfront honesty about why they were there, and even then the only person I can really see the Arishok as having to have told all that is Hawke.

The man landed with 300-500 men and could've easily taken over Kirkwall if he wanted, and then used the people of Kirkwall after converting to search for the relic. He didn't, because for the time being his duty wasn't to convert the people.

And if he had launced an attack upon landing, or as time progressed without incident, he would've jeopardized the Qunari's plan for a war with Thedas again. I freely admit that's an inevitability.

But the attack on Kirkwall only occurred after several incidents that served to weaken the Qunari's purpose and forced him to go "You view me a monster? You want a monster?! I'll GIVE YOU A MONSTER!!".

[TEWR]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something that pleases me: there's a good chance that Evangeline won't even be in DAI, due to creating a major plot snarl for players who have Wynne dead in their games. And if she's not, the same may well go for Rhys and Adrian. As a result, none of you, if I'm right, will be able to kill them, ever.

Also, Lambert is almost certainly dead, given the tone of the ending. And due to Asunder's plot contradicting the canon of several possible playthroughs, it's possible none of its characters will show up, removing all possible chances of revenge.

Curse you and your logic, Xil.<_< I really want to meet the characters from Asunder.

And Lambert's death was also corroborated by the WoT, so he seems to be pretty dead...for now.

Eh, didn't WoT just say he was MIA? Rule of thumb: Unless you find the body, never assume somebody's dead.

[Gallimatia]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Patrice wasn't that bad. She recognized the Qunari threat and wanted to quash it...okay a lot of it was fueled by her own prejudices. But she wasn't wrong about the danger they posed to the city. I hated that my Hawke had to be a stern personality type to side with her.

Petrice was a moron who couldn't be bothered to see the grand scheme of things and focused solely on the short-term, willing to endanger all of Thedas in a war with the Qunari.

One, the Qunari in Kirkwall weren't doing jack **** to cause trouble. Two, it took all of Thedas just to be able to start pushing the Qunari back, and Ferelden has suffered from a Blight that crippled its army pretty badly and is only just starting to recover, so that nixes one nation.

She's extremely lucky that the Qunari are patient and weren't willing to go full-scale war after the incident in Kirkwall, and if the Qunari hadn't killed her I would've. 

Regardless if I'd sided with her or not.

You are the one unable to see the grand scheme of things. You focus on details like the qunari in Kirkwall not causing trouble in the short term. Petrice knows conflict with the qunari is inevitable. If she could provoke a full scale war with her actions it would be a blessing because it would mean she had disturbed the qunari invasion plan. It would mean she had made them go off halfcocked, much like the Arishok. Now I don't think Petrice is to thank for the Arishok's misstep. He didn't seem to care much about her shenanigans and spent more time complaining about Kirkwall's free market and political leaders but regardless his rage fit did not help the qunari. The Viscount's death will serve as an example to everyone who think peace and negotiations in an option. It proves Petrice right.

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something that pleases me: there's a good chance that Evangeline won't even be in DAI, due to creating a major plot snarl for players who have Wynne dead in their games. And if she's not, the same may well go for Rhys and Adrian. As a result, none of you, if I'm right, will be able to kill them, ever.

Also, Lambert is almost certainly dead, given the tone of the ending. And due to Asunder's plot contradicting the canon of several possible playthroughs, it's possible none of its characters will show up, removing all possible chances of revenge.

Curse you and your logic, Xil.<_< I really want to meet the characters from Asunder.

And Lambert's death was also corroborated by the WoT, so he seems to be pretty dead...for now.

Eh, didn't WoT just say he was MIA? Rule of thumb: Unless you find the body, never assume somebody's dead.

Hence why I have the "for now" part.

[Xilizhra]

Both Petrice and the Arishok were horrible, bigoted people out to enforce tyrannical religious agendas upon a populace only wanting to live in peace. There.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Both Petrice and the Arishok were horrible, bigoted people out to enforce tyrannical religious agendas upon a populace only wanting to live in peace. There.

IMO, I think the Arishok didn't give two ***** about the conversion of people in Kirkwall. His purpose was to retrieve the Tome of Koslun, nothing more. If people converted, then that was ok. He certainly was not going to lose sleep over converting people in a city that he found to be a vile cesspool.

Petrice was just an ignorant idiot who could not see beyond her own broken interpretation of her vows.

[Xilizhra]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Both Petrice and the Arishok were horrible, bigoted people out to enforce tyrannical religious agendas upon a populace only wanting to live in peace. There.

IMO, I think the Arishok didn't give two ***** about the conversion of people in Kirkwall. His purpose was to retrieve the Tome of Koslun, nothing more. If people converted, then that was ok. He certainly was not going to lose sleep over converting people in a city that he found to be a vile cesspool.

Petrice was just an ignorant idiot who could not see beyond her own broken interpretation of her vows.

Right, but eventually he starts attacking the entire city for... well, no real reason that I can discern, he's just having a tantrum.

[TEWR]

Right, but eventually he starts attacking the entire city for... well, no real reason that I can discern, he's just having a tantrum.

His people were being murdered left and right just because of who they were, and the provocations weren't stopping.

Yeah... I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing if my brothers were being killed by some ****s.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Both Petrice and the Arishok were horrible, bigoted people out to enforce tyrannical religious agendas upon a populace only wanting to live in peace. There.

IMO, I think the Arishok didn't give two ***** about the conversion of people in Kirkwall. His purpose was to retrieve the Tome of Koslun, nothing more. If people converted, then that was ok. He certainly was not going to lose sleep over converting people in a city that he found to be a vile cesspool.

Petrice was just an ignorant idiot who could not see beyond her own broken interpretation of her vows.

Right, but eventually he starts attacking the entire city for... well, no real reason that I can discern, he's just having a tantrum.

Considering how many idiots ran around in Kirkwall, I probably would have had a tantrum too. And he had been stuck there for four or five years already, no? That is a VERY long time to not act, especially when it is a holy book at stake. I think he started his attack because he figured that he would have a better chance to find it through force.

[Gallimatia]

Petrice wants everyone to be free to worship the Maker. The Arishok wants everyone to give up their individuality. That he works towards that goal through planned warfare rather than conversion and takes time off to retrieve tokens is irrelevant. He's fundamentally different and fundamentally worse than Petrice.

"Within the Qun, an individual exists to serve." - Sten

Modifié par Gallimatia, 07 novembre 2013 - 04:20 .

[TEWR]

Petrice knows conflict with the qunari is inevitable

As do I, something I said.

I just don't think Thedas is prepared for triggering any sort of war with the Qunari. Killing the Arishok does NOT impede the Qunari's plans in any substantial form, as they would quickly just bring in someone just as skilled, if not more so, to take over the role.