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AresKeith wrote...

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The Templar Order left the Chantry. If a Templar chose to remain loyal to the Chantry, he would no longer be a Templar.


They would still be Templar's if they chose to stay with the Chantry


That statement I can certainly agree with. You do not have to follow a Lambert's group to remain a Templar.

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Trough her conversations.
You can see she is becoming more and more fed up with Meredith.


Elthina had the power to imprison the former Viscount of Kirkwall. If she was truly getting fed up with Meredith she would've had her arrested. Why didn't she do that? Why didn't she step up and did took drastic actions? After all she was Meredith's Boss.

From what I can gather, Meredith ultimately held the military power by being leader of the templars.  This meant in a way her power exceeded Elthina's in Kirkwall.  Elthina could have possibly called for reinforcements, but she seemed paranoid that the divine would call an exhalted march for some reason.....

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Query: Seekers have templar abilities, correct? I am pretty sure Lambert had them in Asunder. But does that also mean that Cassandra has magic negating abilities as well?

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HiroVoid wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Trough her conversations.
You can see she is becoming more and more fed up with Meredith.


Elthina had the power to imprison the former Viscount of Kirkwall. If she was truly getting fed up with Meredith she would've had her arrested. Why didn't she do that? Why didn't she step up and did took drastic actions? After all she was Meredith's Boss.

From what I can gather, Meredith ultimately held the military power by being leader of the templars.  This meant in a way her power exceeded Elthina's in Kirkwall.  Elthina could have possibly called for reinforcements, but she seemed paranoid that the divine would call an exhalted march for some reason.....

Justinia has always bugged me in that regard. Her character during the Faith quest seems to contradict what we saw in Asunder, at least in my own opinion.

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eluvianix wrote...

Query: Seekers have templar abilities, correct? I am pretty sure Lambert had them in Asunder. But does that also mean that Cassandra has magic negating abilities as well?


I would imagine the Seekers are typically recruited from the Templars, namely Templars that show talent for subterfuge, infiltration, and interrogation.

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All Anders want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools. Whats wrong with that?

Maybe the part where Anders feels mages should be entitled to kill people if they want to.
That you see no problem with that is telling.

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eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Trough her conversations.
You can see she is becoming more and more fed up with Meredith.


Elthina had the power to imprison the former Viscount of Kirkwall. If she was truly getting fed up with Meredith she would've had her arrested. Why didn't she do that? Why didn't she step up and did took drastic actions? After all she was Meredith's Boss.

From what I can gather, Meredith ultimately held the military power by being leader of the templars.  This meant in a way her power exceeded Elthina's in Kirkwall.  Elthina could have possibly called for reinforcements, but she seemed paranoid that the divine would call an exhalted march for some reason.....

Justinia has always bugged me in that regard. Her character during the Faith quest seems to contradict what we saw in Asunder, at least in my own opinion.

Was it Leliana who commented that there might be an exhalted march or just Elthina?  If it was just Elthina, she could have just been too paranoid about the matter.

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eluvianix wrote...
Justinia has always bugged me in that regard. Her character during the Faith quest seems to contradict what we saw in Asunder, at least in my own opinion.


The way I interpreted it, the situation in Kirkwall was so vitriolic and pressurized it would sound like everybody involved was crazy, corrupt, or being manipulated by demons or blood magic to an outside observer. Also, Kirkwall itself is a conduit for bad juju, by Tevinter design, so Elthina may have had her paranoia heightened by the subtle effects of such an atmosphere.

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eluvianix wrote...

Query: Seekers have templar abilities, correct? I am pretty sure Lambert had them in Asunder. But does that also mean that Cassandra has magic negating abilities as well?

Possibly.  She may even be the teacher for the specializaiton like in Origins.  If I remember right, we also only choose one specialization this time with the specialization being recognized story-wise.  I'm guessing if you pick a templar specialization, Cassandra will probably comment on the need to take lyrium now though since they want to incorporate the specializations more.

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HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Trough her conversations.
You can see she is becoming more and more fed up with Meredith.


Elthina had the power to imprison the former Viscount of Kirkwall. If she was truly getting fed up with Meredith she would've had her arrested. Why didn't she do that? Why didn't she step up and did took drastic actions? After all she was Meredith's Boss.

From what I can gather, Meredith ultimately held the military power by being leader of the templars.  This meant in a way her power exceeded Elthina's in Kirkwall.  Elthina could have possibly called for reinforcements, but she seemed paranoid that the divine would call an exhalted march for some reason.....

Justinia has always bugged me in that regard. Her character during the Faith quest seems to contradict what we saw in Asunder, at least in my own opinion.

Was it Leliana who commented that there might be an exhalted march or just Elthina?  If it was just Elthina, she could have just been too paranoid about the matter.

I think it was indeed Elthina.

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Schneidend wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Justinia has always bugged me in that regard. Her character during the Faith quest seems to contradict what we saw in Asunder, at least in my own opinion.


The way I interpreted it, the situation in Kirkwall was so vitriolic and pressurized it would sound like everybody involved was crazy, corrupt, or being manipulated by demons or blood magic to an outside observer. Also, Kirkwall itself is a conduit for bad juju, by Tevinter design, so Elthina may have had her paranoia heightened by the subtle effects of such an atmosphere.

That is a very good point.

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eluvianix wrote...

Query: Seekers have templar abilities, correct? I am pretty sure Lambert had them in Asunder. But does that also mean that Cassandra has magic negating abilities as well?


I wouldn't say all Seekers, but the ones that are former Templars

I'm only assuming 

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Seekers and templars being joined at the hip spells nothing but trouble imo. Their main pool of recruits shouldn't come from templars.

Speaking of which, does this mean leliana is also a templar now? It would seem to me that bards and rogues would make better seekers then templars. Again, imo.

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The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Seekers and templars being joined at the hip spells nothing but trouble imo. Their main pool of recruits shouldn't come from templars.

Speaking of which, does this mean leliana is also a templar now? It would seem to me that bards and rogues would make better seekers then templars. Again, imo.

I do not think she is a templar or seeker. I think she merely serves the Divine, along with Cassandra, which was why they were seen together at the end of DA2.

Modifié par eluvianix, 07 novembre 2013 - 08:04 .


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eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Seekers and templars being joined at the hip spells nothing but trouble imo. Their main pool of recruits shouldn't come from templars.

Speaking of which, does this mean leliana is also a templar now? It would seem to me that bards and rogues would make better seekers then templars. Again, imo.

I do not think she is a templar or seeker. I think she merely serves the Divine, along with Cassandra, which was why they were seen together at the end of DA2.

Yeah.  Gaider's basically alluded as such.  I actually think along with Cassandra, she's probably one of the major npcs who will set up the Inquisitor and the inquisition as well though that's just theory.

....I can see why anti-chantry people are wary though since between Cassandra and (possibly) Leliana showing up in concept art of the Inquisitor being annointed, it does still seem like chantry-related people have a lot to do with the setting up of the inquisition.

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MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!


Joker will shoot both he will win :whistle:

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HiroVoid wrote...

....I can see why anti-chantry people are wary though since between Cassandra and (possibly) Leliana showing up in concept art of the Inquisitor being annointed, it does still seem like chantry-related people have a lot to do with the setting up of the inquisition.


Considering the actions of the current Divine in the book 'Asunder' I could actually buy the Chantry doing this and hoping for the best for all sides.

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!


I got 20 on JB.  That's not much of a fair wager.

Do MisterJB vs. Eluvianix.  There's a sensible discussion.

Modifié par ScarMK, 07 novembre 2013 - 08:39 .


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ScarMK wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!


I got 20 on JB.  That's not much of a fair wager.

Do MisterJB vs. Eluvianix.  There's a sensible discussion.


Huh?:blink:

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Okay, since I haven't played that game, what is your observation of this final impression and how does it differ from the aftermath of his attempt to kill Ella? And what makes you so sure he can hold it with a personification of Vengeance in his mind?

He's calmer, happier, more optimistic and more assured. He seems to be given a lot of hope by Hawke allowing him to live, in addition to saying that he'll try not to make such a mess of his life this time. And Justice is no longer hammering on the inside of his head to make him do something about the mage situation; he's now done something. Justice is satiated. Even if it demands more, said demands are likely to be less stringent.


Is it even possible for Justice to be permanently satiated? Even if the mages got everything they wanted, Justice would find something else to avenge. Furthermore, trying not to make a mess of things doesn't mean much; I'm mostly picturing Justice in control of the Anders cameo, not Anders himself.

Too unnecessarily angering to the Andersmancers for me to find it likely. I think that Anders will remain.


I don't see how it's unnecessary; that is Justice's nature. It was to some degree Justice's nature even before Anders corrupted him, so even if that's not permanent (of which we have seen no evidence) Anders could still theoretically be dangerous. And that assumes that he doesn't end up caught up in the war, which I find unlikely given Vengeance's past actions.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 07 novembre 2013 - 09:22 .


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eluvianix wrote...
Huh?:blink:


I find you both to be reasonable people and think it would lead to a fruitful and enlightening debate.  Take it as a compliment.

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ScarMK wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Huh?:blink:


I find you both to be reasonable people and think it would lead to a fruitful and enlightening debate.  Take it as a compliment.

Thank you.

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ScarMK wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Huh?:blink:


I find you both to be reasonable people and think it would lead to a fruitful and enlightening debate.  Take it as a compliment.

Ah, thank you very much. Half the time when people "compliment" me, it is difficult to divine if they are being sarcastic or nice on the BSN. The same to you. I find you very capable of producing some enlightening discussion as well.