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[Shadow Fox]

ScarMK wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!

I got 20 on JB.  That's not much of a fair wager.

Do MisterJB vs. Eluvianix.  There's a sensible discussion.

But they aren't fighting.

[MisterJB]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!

I got 20 on JB.  That's not much of a fair wager.

Do MisterJB vs. Eluvianix.  There's a sensible discussion.

But they aren't fighting.

I do think an argument between me an Eluvianix would produce better results than one between me and Raijin. At least, it would be interesting and we would only resort to the barest minimum of name calling.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2013 - 10:32 .

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

MisterJB vs. Lord Raijin place your bets folks!

I got 20 on JB.  That's not much of a fair wager.

Do MisterJB vs. Eluvianix.  There's a sensible discussion.

But they aren't fighting.

If a man swats an annoying fly away, is he fighting?

Ouch man. Aren't you just a ray of sunshine.<_<

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...Ouch man. Aren't you just a ray of sunshine.<_<

I wasn't referring to you but Raijin.
Altough I did edit that post, it was kind of a dickish thing to say.

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

Eh, when you hear about beatings, rapings, illegal Tranquilizations, and poor Templar oversight... I think one mage going "It's not soo bad" doesn't amount to much.

Now, it'd be a different story if all of the douche Templars we killed had an effect on the Circle. Rooting out the weeds, as it were.

But nothing really changes, alas.

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

I do think an argument between me an Eluvianix would produce better results than one between me and Raijin. At least, it would be interesting and we would only resort to the barest minimum of name calling.

I'd definitely enjoy seeing that.

There are a few people I'd enjoy having a discussion of that sort with, myself. EmperorSahlertz, for instance, or Dave of Canada.

And you, my friend!

[Steelcan]

And I'd enjoy the popcorn I'd eat while reading it

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Eh, when you hear about beatings, rapings, illegal Tranquilizations, and poor Templar oversight... I think one mage going "It's not soo bad" doesn't amount to much.

Three mages including Bethany and...the girl we save from Alrik and Anders.
Also, I'm going to question the whole idea of mages being beaten for talking to a civillian. Bethany was allowed to leave to attend a part which would, naturally, involve talking with civillians.

Ultimately, the fact that there are mages who think the Circle really isn't such a bad place to live in; even in Kirkwall; presents evidence of the existence of a third viewpoint. If violations and similar things were as rampant as it is suggested by people like Anders, then no mage would support this viewpoint.
I mean, Bethany is really, really cute. But she wasn't touched in all her time in the Circle either for sexual or punitive purposes.

That doesn't mean mages like Alain don't have a point; both Bethany and Alian can be right.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2013 - 10:42 .

[TEWR]

Also, I'm going to question the whole idea of mages being beaten for talking to a civillian. Bethany was allowed to leave to attend a part which would, naturally, involved talking with civillians.

Bear in mind she's the sister of a noble, or the Champion.

Retribution would be swift were she harmed, and you hear about the Tranquil being beaten by the Templars.

From the Tranquil themselves.

I mean, Bethany is really, really cute. But she wasn't touched in all her time in the Circle either for sexual or punitive purposes.

No, but she was being sized up by Alrik and others for sexual purposes, meaning if Alrik hadn't been killed it was only a matter of time.

And she does come to eventually say the system is not worth defending and is in need of reform to make it work.

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
No, but she was being sized up by Alrik and others for sexual purposes, meaning if Alrik hadn't been killed it was only a matter of time.

Alrik was one Templar. His plan of Tranquilizing all mages was unfeasible. It doesn't matter how little Meredith may or may not care about mages appearing Tranquil all of a sudden; if that is what happened, Alrik could have been coming up with excuses; eventually the very Chantry would step in once the Tranquil were close to becoming a majority.
Because this means a waste of resources, if nothing else.

And she does come to eventually say the system is not worth defending and is in need of reform to make it work.

Only in the Mage Ending. In the Templar Ending, she is unsure whether she is worthy of Hawke's mercy.
And it's worth noting that what lead her to believe this was Meredith's insany which was caused both by Red Lyrium; which is magical; and Anders, a mage.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I'd definitely enjoy seeing that.

There are a few people I'd enjoy having a discussion of that sort with, myself. EmperorSahlertz, for instance, or Dave of Canada.

And you, my friend!

Thank you. I say the same.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2013 - 10:58 .

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Thats cute.

Please don't remind me of how hot trailer Hawke was. Sadly in game Hawke looked like crap.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Thats cute.

Please don't remind me of how hot trailer Hawke was. Sadly in game Hawke looked like crap.

Meh, trailer Warden was a lot hotter.

[Shadow Fox]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Thats cute.

Please don't remind me of how hot trailer Hawke was. Sadly in game Hawke looked like crap. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Well fem Hawke is smexy.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 08 novembre 2013 - 12:03 .

[wolfhowwl]

I was never able to take Hawke seriously after someone pointed out his resemblance to the Sheriff of Rottingham.

[Hazegurl]

omg, he does look like him! lol!

[HiroVoid]

wolfhowwl wrote...

I was never able to take Hawke seriously after someone pointed out his resemblance to the Sheriff of Rottingham.

I also remember the similarity being pointed out, but I couldn't remember where the picture was from (Monty Python if I remember correctly though?)

[Schneidend]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Eh, when you hear about beatings, rapings, illegal Tranquilizations, and poor Templar oversight... I think one mage going "It's not soo bad" doesn't amount to much.

Now, it'd be a different story if all of the douche Templars we killed had an effect on the Circle. Rooting out the weeds, as it were.

But nothing really changes, alas.

Well, we're talking about the Circle of Kirkwall, a city built to conduct negativtity and demons. I don't think anybody in Kirkwall is 100% responsible for their actions. Of course, that doesn't necessarily excuse those actions.

Also, remember that we have two in-game examples of Circles, Fereldan and Kirkwall.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Schneidend wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Eh, when you hear about beatings, rapings, illegal Tranquilizations, and poor Templar oversight... I think one mage going "It's not soo bad" doesn't amount to much.

Now, it'd be a different story if all of the douche Templars we killed had an effect on the Circle. Rooting out the weeds, as it were.

But nothing really changes, alas.

Well, we're talking about the Circle of Kirkwall, a city built to conduct negativtity and demons. I don't think anybody in Kirkwall is 100% responsible for their actions. Of course, that doesn't necessarily excuse those actions.

Also, remember that we have two in-game examples of Circles, Fereldan and Kirkwall.

And a third in Asunder which seems to lean towards Kirkwall.

As for nobody in Kirkwall being 100% responsible for the evil they do, don't forget that Cullen managed to stay relatively moderate in that city, despite having been traumatised to the point of paranoia in the last game. If he can manage to do a 180, that seems to be a hint that one can be a relatively good person despite the city. And Thrask managed to do okay as well. Aveline... isn't really competent, but she keeps a moral center, and she isn't really alone in that latter bit either.

[Hazegurl]

HiroVoid wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

I was never able to take Hawke seriously after someone pointed out his resemblance to the Sheriff of Rottingham.

I also remember the similarity being pointed out, but I couldn't remember where the picture was from (Monty Python if I remember correctly though?)

It's from Robin Hood: Men in Tights. Very funny movie.  

[dragonflight288]

MisterJB wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
No, but she was being sized up by Alrik and others for sexual purposes, meaning if Alrik hadn't been killed it was only a matter of time.

Alrik was one Templar. His plan of Tranquilizing all mages was unfeasible. It doesn't matter how little Meredith may or may not care about mages appearing Tranquil all of a sudden; if that is what happened, Alrik could have been coming up with excuses; eventually the very Chantry would step in once the Tranquil were close to becoming a majority.
Because this means a waste of resources, if nothing else.

And Alrik was getting away with it, and had been for years. Without any evidence that he was being investigated or his own subordinates. If he was eyeing Bethany, it was only a matter of time before he acted on Bethany, and nothing would be done about it.

Bethany only becomes important to Meredith after Hawke becomes the Champion, as she's something to be used to guarantee the Champion's cooperation. If Hawke mentions that he doesn't want to work with Meredith, she subtly threatens Bethany with tranquilization.

And she does come to eventually say the system is not worth defending and is in need of reform to make it work.

Only in the Mage Ending. In the Templar Ending, she is unsure whether she is worthy of Hawke's mercy.
And it's worth noting that what lead her to believe this was Meredith's insany which was caused both by Red Lyrium; which is magical; and Anders, a mage.

In the templar ending, she is in despair and comments that in Meredith's eyes, she is nothing more than another abomination to be killed, despite not being one or a blood mage. All her friends, her mentor and her students have all been slaughtered.

[dragonflight288]

wolfhowwl wrote...

I was never able to take Hawke seriously after someone pointed out his resemblance to the Sheriff of Rottingham.

Ah, now I know why Orsino or Meredith hate Hawke no matter who he sides with. "He deered to slay a king's dare!"

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

So I've started reading Asunder.... the book that everyone has been discussing here and what do I come across on the very first chapter?!?! Templars abusing the mages! The prisons (The pit) is rat infected and completely dark. When mages get toss in the cell almost right away the rats starts munching on their flesh with their razor sharp teeth, and theirs no way for the mage to escape the torture that they're experiencing.

This is a class act of oppression against mages.

Wait until you get to the theories of how Cole came to be.

Curse you and Xilizhra:devil:

How in the world have you not been spoiled already about the book? Considering how much evidence we use from the novel in the Mages vs Templars debate.

Because I haven't had the extra time to read the novels lately. I tend to skip through all of the potential spoilers that gets posted from this site, however I do read some spoilers from time to time, just like DAI. If my mages senses are leading me to the right direction, I very well  might become a pro-chantry again, if everything that I'm reading about Divine Justinia V are actually true, and that she was a mage sympathizer.

[Lord Raijin]

ScarMK wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

How in the world have you not been spoiled already about the book? Considering how much evidence we use from the novel in the Mages vs Templars debate.

Obviously he doesn't pay much attention.

I don't like unwanted spoilers and so I tried to avoid it as much as possible. I suppose I'm guilty as charge for not paying much attention, but it's for a good reason I'd like to be surprise when I read the novels

[dragonflight288]

Because I haven't had the extra time to read the novels lately. I tend to skip through all of the potential spoilers that gets posted from this site, however I do read some spoilers from time to time, just like DAI. If my mages senses are leading me to the right direction, I very well might become a pro-chantry again, if everything that I'm reading about Divine Justinia V are actually true, and that she was a mage sympathizer.

Fair enough. Justinia is....interesting overall, and is pretty controversial no matter who you support, so let us know when you finish the book so we can get your opinion.

[Xilizhra]

I mean, Bethany is really, really cute. But she wasn't touched in all her time in the Circle either for sexual or punitive purposes.

Cullen's keeping an eye on her as a favor to Hawke.