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[Steelcan]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Raijin, the basis of your argument is one corrupt Templar and one insane Templar. The number of corrupt mages is mountainous in comparison.

Every single templar who participated in the Annulment is an enemy.

And every mage who resorts to blood magic or demonic possesion is also an enemy.

I have yet to see blood magic used responsibly.

Dude she thinks Merrill was a responsible Blood Mage...

Depends I guess, in the end I got to wipe out a Dalish clan so I can't hate too much on Merrill.

I like Merrill too doesn't mean I think she was responsible when it comes to demons at all.

"spirits"

"CALL IT WHAT IT IS! YOU SUMMONED A DEMON!"

If Merrill wasn't a childish pretty face I don't think people would put up with her nearly as well

[Xilizhra]

If Merrill wasn't a childish pretty face I don't think people would put up with her nearly as well

See Anders.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

If Merrill wasn't a childish pretty face I don't think people would put up with her nearly as well

See Anders.

People don't by and large put up with him.

Killing him seems to be a pretty common choice

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If Merrill wasn't a childish pretty face I don't think people would put up with her nearly as well

See Anders.

People don't by and large put up with him.

Killing him seems to be a pretty common choice

It's much easier to do so than for Merrill.

[BlueMagitek]

Eh? To kill Merrill don't you just need less than 100% Rivalry/Friendship and side with the Templars?

[Shadow Fox]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Eh? To kill Merrill don't you just need less than 100% Rivalry/Friendship and side with the Templars?

Yup.

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Eh? To kill Merrill don't you just need less than 100% Rivalry/Friendship and side with the Templars?

And killing Anders only takes one dialogue option.

Of course, the fact that she never does anything bad is another factor.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If Merrill wasn't a childish pretty face I don't think people would put up with her nearly as well

See Anders.

People don't by and large put up with him.

Killing him seems to be a pretty common choice

It's much easier to do so than for Merrill.

Merrill is also a filthy knife ear

Anders was at least cool in Awakening.

Merrill has always kind of been irritating

[Shadow Fox]

Steelcan wrote...

If Merrill wasn't a childish pretty face I don't think people would put up with her nearly as well

Eh outside of the demon thing she's okay.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[Steelcan]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Eh outside of the demon thing she's okay.

For me she was always just kind of there really.  I don't really have strong opinions on her

Modifié par Steelcan, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[Schneidend]

Xilizhra wrote...
Genocide is genocide and will be responded to as such. None of the information about Orsino is known at the time of the decision, and in the mage ending, he kills no one at all; all corpses he used were killed by templars. Additionally, his reason for not alerting Meredith about Quentin was to avoid the Annulment; I know that some blame Anders as much as Meredith for that, but those people by their own logic would be forced to commend Orsino for trying to avoid it.

"Genocide" isn't genocide when the people you're killing are monsters. It's no coincidence that so many mages were suddenly able to effectively use blood magic, summon shades and demons, and immediately become abominations.

According to the word of the demon alone, whom many find oddly trustworthy.

The Keeper allowed herself to be possessed to save Merrill from the fate I just described. The demon could have possessed Merrill through the Eluvian.

[Warden661]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, she never got possessed or endangered anyone in Kirkwall, so...

She knowingly was dealing with a demon, and a Pride demon at that. Just because she didn't get herself possessed doesn't mean that she was being responsible. Dealing with a demon is in and of itself irresponsible. She could have gotten herself possessed at any time and if it wasn't for Hawke being there, said demon would have been a danger to many when it possessed Merithari (although, that's a whole different brand of stupid on her part.)

Merril was in no way being responsible.

Edit: Besides this though, I don't hate Merril. She was alright.

Modifié par BoBear, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:31 .

[Xilizhra]

"Genocide" isn't genocide when the people you're killing are monsters. It's no coincidence that so many mages were suddenly able to effectively use blood magic, summon shades and demons, and immediately become abominations.

Note that you kill all of those in the mage ending too. You deal with non-templar problems equally firmly in both paths. The templars only distinguish themselves by murdering innocents.

The Keeper allowed herself to be possessed to save Merrill from the fate I just described. The demon could have possessed Merrill through the Eluvian.

I find this extremely unlikely.

She knowingly was dealing with a demon, and a Pride demon at that. Just
because she didn't get herself possessed doesn't mean that she was being
responsible. Dealing with a demon is in and of itself irresponsible.
She could have gotten herself possessed at any time and if it wasn't for
Hawke being there, said demon would have been a danger to many when it
possessed Merithari (although, that's a whole different brand of stupid
on her part.)

She spoke with the demon once, to learn blood magic, which worked out perfectly insofar as she was able to cleanse the Eluvian shard. And the demon would have gotten to Marethari as long as Marethari was camping directly on top of the damned thing.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:31 .

[Shadow Fox]

Steelcan wrote...


Merrill is also a filthy knife ear

As an Elf lover I must now flame you until one of us are banned.

[Steelcan]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


Merrill is also a filthy knife ear

As an Elf lover I must now flame you until one of us are banned.

Don't worry it'll be me

I spend over a year on the ME3 forum and not so much as a warning, spend a few weeks on DA and three bans the most recent one caused by an argument with the lovely mage champion Xil

[Warden661]

Xilizhra wrote...

She spoke with the demon once, to learn blood magic, which worked out perfectly insofar as she was able to cleanse the Eluvian shard. And the demon would have gotten to Marethari as long as Marethari was camping directly on top of the damned thing.

It doesn't matter that she only spoke to it once, the fact that she spoke to it at all is irresponsible. Plus she was going to go speak to it again becasue she still couldn't get the mirror to work and she was getting desperate. Like I said, she could have gotten herself possessed at any time.

[Shadow Fox]

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


Merrill is also a filthy knife ear

As an Elf lover I must now flame you until one of us are banned.

Don't worry it'll be me

I spend over a year on the ME3 forum and not so much as a warning, spend a few weeks on DA and three bans the most recent one caused by an argument with the lovely mage champion Xil

I was kidding btw.

[Xilizhra]

BoBear wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She spoke with the demon once, to learn blood magic, which worked out perfectly insofar as she was able to cleanse the Eluvian shard. And the demon would have gotten to Marethari as long as Marethari was camping directly on top of the damned thing.

It doesn't matter that she only spoke to it once, the fact that she spoke to it at all is irresponsible. Plus she was going to go speak to it again becasue she still couldn't get the mirror to work and she was getting desperate. Like I said, she could have gotten herself possessed at any time.

Er, not really, because the demon was stuck in the idol. And being able to get rid of darkspawn taint was enough of an accomplishment that I'd say the risk was worth it.

[Shadow Fox]

BoBear wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She spoke with the demon once, to learn blood magic, which worked out perfectly insofar as she was able to cleanse the Eluvian shard. And the demon would have gotten to Marethari as long as Marethari was camping directly on top of the damned thing.

It doesn't matter that she only spoke to it once, the fact that she spoke to it at all is irresponsible. Plus she was going to go speak to it again becasue she still couldn't get the mirror to work and she was getting desperate. Like I said, she could have gotten herself possessed at any time.

And there's Sloth and that profane...

[Xilizhra]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She spoke with the demon once, to learn blood magic, which worked out perfectly insofar as she was able to cleanse the Eluvian shard. And the demon would have gotten to Marethari as long as Marethari was camping directly on top of the damned thing.

It doesn't matter that she only spoke to it once, the fact that she spoke to it at all is irresponsible. Plus she was going to go speak to it again becasue she still couldn't get the mirror to work and she was getting desperate. Like I said, she could have gotten herself possessed at any time.

And there's Sloth and that profane...

In the former case, she only wants you to talk to Torpor without instantly killing it. In the latter case, there's literally nothing the hunger demon can do to you aside from attack (and if you're aggressive, you can intimidate it into leaving and basically get a free deal).

[Steelcan]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


Merrill is also a filthy knife ear

As an Elf lover I must now flame you until one of us are banned.

Don't worry it'll be me

I spend over a year on the ME3 forum and not so much as a warning, spend a few weeks on DA and three bans the most recent one caused by an argument with the lovely mage champion Xil

I was kidding btw.

I know, but I just felt like saying that.

Its smazing how unregulated ME3 forums are compared to this

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She spoke with the demon once, to learn blood magic, which worked out perfectly insofar as she was able to cleanse the Eluvian shard. And the demon would have gotten to Marethari as long as Marethari was camping directly on top of the damned thing.

It doesn't matter that she only spoke to it once, the fact that she spoke to it at all is irresponsible. Plus she was going to go speak to it again becasue she still couldn't get the mirror to work and she was getting desperate. Like I said, she could have gotten herself possessed at any time.

And there's Sloth and that profane...

In the former case, she only wants you to talk to Torpor without instantly killing it. In the latter case, there's literally nothing the hunger demon can do to you aside from attack (and if you're aggressive, you can intimidate it into leaving and basically get a free deal).

Yes talk to the demon trying to possess the kid we are trying to save.<_<

[Schneidend]

Xilizhra wrote...

Note that you kill all of those in the mage ending too. You deal with non-templar problems equally firmly in both paths. The templars only distinguish themselves by murdering innocents.

Unfortunately, evil blood mages don't come with convenient labels in-universe, and there's no time for due process. The Rite of Annulment is definitely a terrible tragedy when it happens, but for once Meredith was right: it had to be done.
Hell, the only reason my Grey Warden saved the Circle was because he really didn't give a **** about blood magic or abominations, he just needed an army of fireball shooters. The Blight would have killed everybody long before a few dozen rogue mages would.

[Mr.House]

She gets mad if you kill Torpor and don't help him posses somebody :/

[Xilizhra]

Unfortunately, evil blood mages don't come with convenient labels in-universe, and there's no time for due process. The Rite of Annulment is definitely a terrible tragedy when it happens, but for once Meredith was right: it had to be done.

Not in any universe. And you can tell the evil ones by their trying to kill you.

She gets mad if you kill Torpor and don't help him posses somebody :/

Never that I've seen.