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[Xilizhra]

And if some who should choose it don't?

Then we keep trying.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

And if some who should choose it don't?

Then we keep trying.

In addition to the lyrium cost, (which I wouldn't view as worth euthanizing someone to protect were it the only factor to consider) this means keeping a known possession risk in the Tower. (Or worse, among non-mages, if you're still insistent on not reinstituing the Circles.)

[Xilizhra]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And if some who should choose it don't?

Then we keep trying.

In addition to the lyrium cost, (which I wouldn't view as worth euthanizing someone to protect were it the only factor to consider) this means keeping a known possession risk in the Tower. (Or worse, among non-mages, if you're still insistent on not reinstituing the Circles.)

To my knowledge, we don't just shoot terminally ill people if they want to keep trying to live, even if they might be contagious.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And if some who should choose it don't?

Then we keep trying.

In addition to the lyrium cost, (which I wouldn't view as worth euthanizing someone to protect were it the only factor to consider) this means keeping a known possession risk in the Tower. (Or worse, among non-mages, if you're still insistent on not reinstituing the Circles.)

To my knowledge, we don't just shoot terminally ill people if they want to keep trying to live, even if they might be contagious.

If we ran into a disease capable of turning its quarantine into anything resembling The Broken Circle, we might well start.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 novembre 2013 - 03:00 .

[Xilizhra]

If we ran into a disease capable of turning its quarantine into anything resembling The Broken Circle, we might well start.

If what I remember about inherent power levels is correct, truly weak mages won't be of much interest to demons anyway, and stronger ones can be trained up to be able to face them.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

If we ran into a disease capable of turning its quarantine into anything resembling The Broken Circle, we might well start.

If what I remember about inherent power levels is correct, truly weak mages won't be of much interest to demons anyway, and stronger ones can be trained up to be able to face them.

Yes, and strong mages who fail this training? Thus proving that they're a risk of possession?

Besides which, we have from Word Of Gaider that if a weak mage does get possessed, the resulting abomination is still dangerous.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 novembre 2013 - 03:10 .

[Xilizhra]

Yes, and strong mages who fail this training? Thus proving that they're a risk of possession?

We improve them.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Xilizhra wrote...

Yes, and strong mages who fail this training? Thus proving that they're a risk of possession?

We improve them.

Show evidence that it is possible for there to be improvement. 

[HiroVoid]

What if they're lazy and don't care to study and train all that much?

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The demon doesn't just go away, so how would they?

That's why you kill the demon.

What you are talking about is impossible. Not without killing the mage as well.

To other, there is no way to kill off mages. It's not completely genetic. 

What are you talking about? You kill the demon before it enters the mage.

I was unaware that there was a device that allows for the detection of possession before it happens. Please share it with the rest of Thedas. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 novembre 2013 - 04:13 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Xilizhra wrote...

Necessarily so. They need to counterbalance any invalid bias coming from renegade mage issues coming from further up, and it's a good look into the Templar Order's rationale as a whole.

Hardly. The question of whether to annul the Kirkwall Circle when Anders blows up the Chantry is actually irrelevant to question of whether Templars should exist or mages should be free. Without any connection between what Anders did and the Circle itself even a pro-templar person could have good reason to side with Orsino in the end.

But I understand the original point better statistic better. But even in that case the player gets to three mage companions and doesn't really form any comparable relationships with any of the templar characters.

Plus Carver is more hostile to Hawke than Bethany and so I suspect much harder to like for most.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 novembre 2013 - 03:42 .

[Xilizhra]

What if they're lazy and don't care to study and train all that much?

If being eaten by a demon while they sleep isn't enough inducement... actually, I don't know wh it wouldn't be.

Hardly. The question of whether to annul the Kirkwall Circle when Anders blows up the Chantry is actually irrelevant to question of whether Templars should exist or mages should be free. Without any connection between what Anders did and the Circle itself even a pro-templar person could have good reason to side with Orsino in the end.

Logically, yes, but emotionally speaking, people upset at magic in general could very easily lash out at mages just because.

But I understand the original point better statistic better. But even in that case the player gets to three mage companions and doesn't really form any comparable relationships with any of the templar characters.

Plus Carver is more hostile to Hawke than Bethany and so I suspect much harder to like for most.

Carver and Fenris are as anti-mage as many templars, and Aveline is overall pro-templar more than pro-mage.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

What if they're lazy and don't care to study and train all that much?

If being eaten by a demon while they sleep isn't enough inducement... actually, I don't know wh it wouldn't be.

That doesn't answer the question.

Hardly. The question of whether to annul the Kirkwall Circle when Anders blows up the Chantry is actually irrelevant to question of whether Templars should exist or mages should be free. Without any connection between what Anders did and the Circle itself even a pro-templar person could have good reason to side with Orsino in the end.

Logically, yes, but emotionally speaking, people upset at magic in general could very easily lash out at mages just because.

That's actually a better argument for having a Circle than not, since part of the idea is that the Circle is a place mages go to not be subject to this. The fact that Meredith runs it poorly doesn't mean that the idea of the Circle is a bad one.

[Xilizhra]

That doesn't answer the question.

The answer is that the result would not be worse than the result of a failed Harrowing.

That's actually a better argument for having a Circle than not, since part of the idea is that the Circle is a place mages go to not be subject to this. The fact that Meredith runs it poorly doesn't mean that the idea of the Circle is a bad one.

I was speaking in OOC terms.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hardly. The question of whether to annul the Kirkwall Circle when Anders blows up the Chantry is actually irrelevant to question of whether Templars should exist or mages should be free. Without any connection between what Anders did and the Circle itself even a pro-templar person could have good reason to side with Orsino in the end.

Logically, yes, but emotionally speaking, people upset at magic in general could very easily lash out at mages just because.

But I understand the original point better statistic better. But even in that case the player gets to three mage companions and doesn't really form any comparable relationships with any of the templar characters.

Plus Carver is more hostile to Hawke than Bethany and so I suspect much harder to like for most.

Carver and Fenris are as anti-mage as many templars, and Aveline is overall pro-templar more than pro-mage.

That's true but being anti-mage is not necessarily the same sentiment as being Anti-templar. And Aveline is more pro-templar than pro-mage, but she's really pro-law and order. At times this put her on opposite side of certain issues than the templars.

And my point about the Orsino/Meredith choice at the end was the situation could have been written any number of ways differently to give Meredith a more logical case, but it wasn't. And so she didn't have one, making the Last Straw choice pretty heavily and needlessly stacked against her, assuming the choice was supposed to be hard.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 novembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

That doesn't answer the question.

The answer is that the result would not be worse than the result of a failed Harrowing.

It seems to me that this would result in a failed Harrowing at best, and a mage being possessed outside the Harrowing at worst. (This being worse since there are several Templars directly observing during the Harrowing, with one specifically told the potential abomination is his responsibility should the worst happen.)

That's actually a better argument for having a Circle than not, since part of the idea is that the Circle is a place mages go to not be subject to this. The fact that Meredith runs it poorly doesn't mean that the idea of the Circle is a bad one.

I was speaking in OOC terms.

I don't see much of an OOC reason to side with Meredith. And I really don't see any reason (emotional or otherwise) to be angry at the Circle for Anders' actions, when you know that Anders did it and possibly helped him. It's not a matter of not thinking it's a valid reason; it's a matter of not knowing how on earth could that possibly make sense in this context, no matter how much thinking you're not doing.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 novembre 2013 - 07:36 .

[Todd23]

 I don't.

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[Senya]

Yay Assassins Creed reference.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I gotta admit, I have a love hate relationship with templars. They're needed, heck, even Wynne acknowledges that, but I can't stand the loose cannons.

Thrask= best templar ever............and he gets offed, naturally.

Really? How come DA2 had no compromise at all?

DA2 made me hate mages and templars equally actually....don't get why Hawke didn't just wash his/her hands of Kirkwall after the Arishok thing.....

[Lord Raijin]

I'm going c/p a comment  that I posted on my tumblr 4 days ago.

I never played as a warrior or a rogue in DA2, but if I had It would
only increase my already deep hatred for the Templar’s, especially after
coming home from the long journey from the deep roads to discover that
Knight-Captain Cullen and a few other Templar’s in my uncles home taking
my sister away from me, and taking her to the wretched gallows where
she would be exposed to such brutal Templar’s like Ser Karras and Ser
Otto Alrik. The thought of it pisses me off.


Had something happen to my sister... like getting tranquil or getting raped in the circle I would have plans to get back at the templars by bombing their chantry.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 16 décembre 2013 - 12:38 .

[Rebel Wolf]

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm going c/p a comment  that I posted on my tumblr 4 days ago.

I never played as a warrior or a rogue in DA2, but if I had It would
only increase my already deep hatred for the Templar’s, especially after
coming home from the long journey from the deep roads to discover that
Knight-Captain Cullen and a few other Templar’s in my uncles home taking
my sister away from me, and taking her to the wretched gallows where
she would be exposed to such brutal Templar’s like Ser Karras and Ser
Otto Alrik. The thought of it pisses me off.


Had something happen to my sister... like getting tranquil or getting raped in the circle I would have plans to get back at the templars by bombing their chantry.

Do you think the templars came into Bethany's room at night?
I've been wondering.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

She seemed to actually like it in the gallows though. And at least hawke isn't ruining his families life by forcing them to hide for his own sake, which he then does nothing to try and uphold by flashing his magic every chance he gets.

[Rebel Wolf]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

She seemed to actually like it in the gallows though. And at least hawke isn't ruining his families life by forcing them to hide for his own sake, which he then does nothing to try and uphold by flashing his magic every chance he gets.

How dare he use his magic to help people!

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

She seemed to actually like it in the gallows though. And at least hawke isn't ruining his families life by forcing them to hide for his own sake, which he then does nothing to try and uphold by flashing his magic every chance he gets.

Oh really? Explain to me how, outside of combat, Hawke flashes his magic each chance he gets?