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[Warden661]

DRTJR wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Going after him would be much better then going after a Circle mage. What would've happened if the Wardens went to the Kirkwall Circle, which IIRC was under Meredith's jurisdiction at this time, and said "Hey, we need a non-Warden Mage to help us with something, but we can't tell you what it is!"?

They'd have been refused, more then likely.

The right of conscription i think allows the wardens to pretty much drag off anybody exept an acting head of state. So if the Wardens want to grab Orsino before he was the first enchanter, make him seal Corypheus up they could THEN make him do the Joining ritual. 

The Right allows the Wardens to conscript anyone, regardless of social standing or political office. They could recruit Empress Celene if they so desired, but they useually refrain from going after high ranking officials due to inevitable backlash. Plus they want the best of the best and while Kings and Queens may be great warriors, depending on who they are, there are plenty of other great soldiers out there.

It's also typical of theWardens to recruit only ONE mage per Circle tower. It's more than likely that they already had a Circel mage from Kirkwall serving at the time and it would seem rather weird if they recruited another so Malcom was the perfect choice for the job. Malcom was probably perfect for the job regardless, however, if they wanted to take another mage from the Circle, no Knight-Commander, or anyone for that matter, could stop them. 

[Hazegurl]

TK514 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

But the Wardens could have recruited any mage and had him/her reseal him before taking the joining. It wouldn't have been that difficult to do.

Sure, they could have tried that.  But it appears time was a factor, and then you'd have to worry about a stubborn mage saying no and running out the clock, or a Jory situation/failed Joining after.  Malcolm was convenient and succeptable to irresistable pressure.  Sure, they could have picked up any mage off the street and then killed him after if they wanted to, but they ultimately didn't want to have to kill anyone.  Really, Malcolm's situation made him the perfect choice, not his abilities.

I don't see how time was that much of a factor. They knew he was down there and when the seals would weaken. That stubborn mage could have been dealt with the same way they did Malcolm, with threats. Every mage's situation makes them the perfect choice then. Conscripting a mage would have been a much easier solution. How did they know about Malcolm who was very careful with his magic? How did they know he cared enough about Leandra to be pressured by them. Not saying none of what you said wasn't the case. But now I'm thinking Malcolm was the perfect choice for plot reasons and nothing more.  

[Master Warder Z_]

 I personally support the Templars in the Mage-Templar war or as i prefer it called.

"The Mage Rebellion".

The Reasoning behind it should be obvious, You cannot grant beings with such power the "freedoms" of other men, And that notion has remained the same for two games now. I see no reason why i wouldn't offer the Templars as much support as possible in DAI.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eh I'll just wait for someone to project a little too much of their RL issues onto the Mage/Templar conflict, it always leads to good things.

I side with the Mages if Bethany is in the Circle because I wouldn't want my sister to be killed for a crime she didn't committe.

Is that projecting too much? 

Nah man. I treat Carver like he's my actual brother. I believe the fact that we project on to them means they are good characters.

I can't seem to explain this but this staunch pro mage respects Templar Carver a great deal. I always make him as a Templar because I feel that it was for the best. It went from Carver being stuck in my shadow to me being stuck in his, especially after at the very end on ACT 3; To stand up, and to protect his mage brother against his very own Knight-Commander was speachless. He also kept quite about his rival mage brother roaming free in Kirkwall. He earned many rep points from me.

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix:
It would be more accurate to say that I am - when available -
exclusively a mage player (Biotics, psionics, supernatural powers,
mutant - whatever else they want to call a mage derivative in other
games).

I truly hope that makes for an interesting reaction from the mage rebels in Inquisition.

Well, I'll be damned. Never would have figured you to be a "mage"....
Join your maleficar brethren.....[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Same here. I never would of imagined Medhia would be a mage player

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 17 décembre 2013 - 01:14 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Is it because I'm not Pro-Mage?

No, not at all. This is gonna be weird, but when I see people on here, I just assign them a class in my head based on the way they speak and structure their arguments. I see EmperorSahlertz as a duty bound two handed warrior and Xilizhra as a practical blood mage, Lord Raijin as a mage who is best friends with Adrian, etc. I had just pegged you for a sword and sheild warrior, that's all. Although, I guess, appearances can be deceiving lol.

And what do you see me as?

I'd like to know. XD

I always see myself as an assassin bard, lighthearted and making people laugh one minute, nastily ripping into them with my daggers the next, then back to laughing and joking merrily.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 17 décembre 2013 - 01:18 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Is it because I'm not Pro-Mage?

No, not at all. This is gonna be weird, but when I see people on here, I just assign them a class in my head based on the way they speak and structure their arguments. I see EmperorSahlertz as a duty bound two handed warrior and Xilizhra as a practical blood mage, Lord Raijin as a mage who is best friends with Adrian, etc. I had just pegged you for a sword and sheild warrior, that's all. Although, I guess, appearances can be deceiving lol.

I have a deep confession to make.. and it's major headlines, but rather a peculiar one in fact

As a stunach pro mage I can't help but to find Knight-Commander Meredith attractive Even know I trash talk her consently... I have feeling for her. I wasn't able to romanace this woman, but at least I was able to attempt to flirt with her. I could find so many things Meredith and I could do, as the new First Enchanter of Kirkwalls circle.

If I ever spend time with another DAO charater I'm going to make a young woman human mage who have feelings for knight-Commander Greagoir.

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Is it because I'm not Pro-Mage?

No, not at all. This is gonna be weird, but when I see people on here, I just assign them a class in my head based on the way they speak and structure their arguments. I see EmperorSahlertz as a duty bound two handed warrior and Xilizhra as a practical blood mage, Lord Raijin as a mage who is best friends with Adrian, etc. I had just pegged you for a sword and sheild warrior, that's all. Although, I guess, appearances can be deceiving lol.

And what do you see me as?

Your profile pic says it all man.:lol:I totally see you as a two handed warrior dwarf.

Interesting and considering our prior exchanges in the past i must admit curiousity however minor in wondering how exactly you would view me in such a light?

[Master Warder Z_]

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Is it because I'm not Pro-Mage?

No, not at all. This is gonna be weird, but when I see people on here, I just assign them a class in my head based on the way they speak and structure their arguments. I see EmperorSahlertz as a duty bound two handed warrior and Xilizhra as a practical blood mage, Lord Raijin as a mage who is best friends with Adrian, etc. I had just pegged you for a sword and sheild warrior, that's all. Although, I guess, appearances can be deceiving lol.

And what do you see me as?

Your profile pic says it all man.:lol:I totally see you as a two handed warrior dwarf.

Interesting and considering our prior exchanges in the past i must admit curiousity however minor in wondering how exactly you would view me in such a light.

[Lord Raijin]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

[Master Warder Z_]

And this is why you should not attempt to operate a forum under the influence, Its amusing how the edit/quote seem to blend together.

Honestly this place should take a page out of every other forum out there and add a delete post option, would make situations like this more managable.

Modifié par Master Warder Z , 17 décembre 2013 - 01:29 .

[Lord Raijin]

Lack of sex creates people like Knight-Commander Meredith.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I hope to crush the mage rebellion, having people that can cause extremely large amounts of destruction the freedom to do whatever they want is far to risky.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

[Master Warder Z_]

Threat300 wrote...

I hope to crush the mage rebellion, having people that can cause extremely large amounts of destruction the freedom to do whatever they want is far to risky.

Agreed.

No good can come from a tveinter 2.0

[Afro_Explosion]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

Seperation leads to dehumanization which leads to kirkwall.

[dragonflight288]

Osena109 wrote...

 I throw my lot in with the Templars there our only hope 

For banditry, raiding and slaughtering innocent townsfolk.

[Master Warder Z_]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

Seperation leads to dehumanization which leads to kirkwall.

No insane Abominations leads to kirkwall.

And that is exactly why the Templars, The circle and the entire system is needed.

Anders is exactly what comes from a Mage exposed to the very horrors that the Templars exist to protect mages from.

[The Elder King]

@Master Warder Z: the correct word is non-mages. Mages are humans (if they're not elves or qunari).

[Master Warder Z_]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

 I throw my lot in with the Templars there our only hope 

For banditry, raiding and slaughtering innocent townsfolk.

Like the mages are any better?

And that said when have Templars stooped to being common bandits or slaughtering townships?

[dragonflight288]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

Seperation leads to dehumanization which leads to kirkwall.

Giving mages authority over templars in the Circle's can easily potentially equal a Tevinter 2.0 as well.

There's a very fine line that must be toed since neither side can have all or majority power over the other faction otherwise we get Kirkwall or Tevinter.

[Master Warder Z_]

hhh89 wrote...

@Master Warder Z: the correct word is non-mages. Mages are humans (if they're not elves or qunari).

Yeah no, That sterotypical dogma of Magic being superior doesn't have a place in my vocabulary regarding this subject.

Might as well subject Humanity to the title of "Mundane" :/

[dragonflight288]

Master Warder Z wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

 I throw my lot in with the Templars there our only hope 

For banditry, raiding and slaughtering innocent townsfolk.

Like the mages are any better?

And that said when have Templars stooped to being common bandits or slaughtering townships?

Red Templars are attacking and destroying a village in the gameplay demo at PAX for Inquisition. The devs decided to save the Keep and maintain the Inquisition's powerbase in the region rather than save the town during that playthrough. They went back and the Templars (well, Red Templars) had killed every single villager.

And I never said that mages were better, but was trying to show that templars don't have a moral highground, and with them now turning into giant lyrium behemoths in their quest to destroy mages, they are no better than mages turning into abominations.

Neither side is better than the other at this point.

And here is the video of what I was talking about.

[Afro_Explosion]

dragonflight288 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

Seperation leads to dehumanization which leads to kirkwall.

Giving mages authority over templars in the Circle's can easily potentially equal a Tevinter 2.0 as well.

There's a very fine line that must be toed since neither side can have all or majority power over the other faction otherwise we get Kirkwall or Tevinter.

Treating mages like people instead  of loaded hand grenades helps.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Master Warder Z wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

 I throw my lot in with the Templars there our only hope 

For banditry, raiding and slaughtering innocent townsfolk.

Like the mages are any better?

And that said when have Templars stooped to being common bandits or slaughtering townships?

Is usually abominations & blood mages that cause destruction, templars try to stop it from happening.

[Senya]

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Is it because I'm not Pro-Mage?

No, not at all. This is gonna be weird, but when I see people on here, I just assign them a class in my head based on the way they speak and structure their arguments. I see EmperorSahlertz as a duty bound two handed warrior and Xilizhra as a practical blood mage, Lord Raijin as a mage who is best friends with Adrian, etc. I had just pegged you for a sword and sheild warrior, that's all. Although, I guess, appearances can be deceiving lol.

Ooh! Do me next! What am I?:happy: