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[Master Warder Z_]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Personally i view its destruction as a waste...It would be much better if it could be harnessed or controlled...

;O See what i did there?

Well, it does whisper and let off a presence that makes those exposed to it worship the substance and eventually go crazy.

Red Lyrium is Reaper Eezo. 

And whom is to say that like the Reaper Control signal it cannot be harnessed?

And the Sheen is strong in me  

[Master Warder Z_]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Personally i view its destruction as a waste...It would be much better if it could be harnessed or controlled...

;O See what i did there?

Well, it does whisper and let off a presence that makes those exposed to it worship the substance and eventually go crazy.

Red Lyrium is Reaper Eezo. 

My computer just loves to multipost tonight x.x

Modifié par Master Warder Z , 17 décembre 2013 - 02:35 .

[TK514]

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...

You have my sympathy for what you unintentionally started here.

For what it's worth, I see you as Obi-Wan Kenobi's younger, non-Force sensitive cousin.

I don't even get the Force? How rude!

The beard makes up for it.

Hmmm, Kenobi's do seem to produce some rather attractive beards.

That they do.

Out of curiosity, your userpic:  DA:O or DAII?

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...

You have my sympathy for what you unintentionally started here.

For what it's worth, I see you as Obi-Wan Kenobi's younger, non-Force sensitive cousin.

I don't even get the Force? How rude!

The beard makes up for it.

Hmmm, Kenobi's do seem to produce some rather attractive beards.

That they do.

Out of curiosity, your userpic:  DA:O or DAII?

My favorite, Lukas Hawke.

[Hellion Rex]

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]mx_keep13 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z 

[/quote]

In my eye? Mages aren't part of Humanity, regardless of their species of orgin.

They are cursed with something that requires measures to guard against that would never be needed if they were truely a part of humanity.

And i personally find the usage of "Mundane" as insulting as hell personally, like having access to the power of magic at the cost of possibly becoming a demonic plaything at the drop of a hat some how makes them superior.



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How are mages not a part of humanity, ****** them do they not bleed, by trying to remove them from humanity's equation and trying to establish them cursed it is dehumanizing making them  something to belittle and torture and feel no sympathy for.

[/quote]

They are not humans because they cannot be humans, Its merely a matter of perspective and one i personally think to be for the best. If they are not humans then there can be no common ground between them and the mases outside the circle for there cannot be any common ground, one is a dangerous threat to the other after all.

Its not as if i am stating to keep the populace completely in the dark of the dangers or the characistics of being a mage, no after all ignorance is the very reason some mages seem overly compelling and dispell the illusion of the "downtrodden" mage once must do so with truth.

No they are beings to be pitied, not revilved for they cannot help their curse nor their stupidity in its use.

They are a useful asset and therefore something to be under state control and to be used at the state's Whim, In this one insistance i think the Qunari have something right.

But they cannot live outside of their guilded cages.

[Master Warder Z_]

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Whom?

[The Flying Grey Warden]

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

There's one power the sith don't have. The power of heart.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 17 décembre 2013 - 02:54 .

[Afro_Explosion]

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]mx_keep13 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z 

[/quote]

In my eye? Mages aren't part of Humanity, regardless of their species of orgin.

They are cursed with something that requires measures to guard against that would never be needed if they were truely a part of humanity.

And i personally find the usage of "Mundane" as insulting as hell personally, like having access to the power of magic at the cost of possibly becoming a demonic plaything at the drop of a hat some how makes them superior.



[/quote]
How are mages not a part of humanity, ****** them do they not bleed, by trying to remove them from humanity's equation and trying to establish them cursed it is dehumanizing making them  something to belittle and torture and feel no sympathy for.

[/quote]

They are not humans because they cannot be humans, Its merely a matter of perspective and one i personally think to be for the best. If they are not humans then there can be no common ground between them and the mases outside the circle for there cannot be any common ground, one is a dangerous threat to the other after all.

Its not as if i am stating to keep the populace completely in the dark of the dangers or the characistics of being a mage, no after all ignorance is the very reason some mages seem overly compelling and dispell the illusion of the "downtrodden" mage once must do so with truth.

No they are beings to be pitied, not revilved for they cannot help their curse nor their stupidity in its use.

They are a useful asset and therefore something to be under state control and to be used at the state's Whim, In this one insistance i think the Qunari have something right.

But they cannot live outside of their guilded cages.



[/quote]
They are still humans just with a connection to the fade nothing  more nothing less, denying them humanity leaves a bad taste in my mouth as it reminds of a justification for slavery and genocide.Mages aren't a tool magic is but a person isnt, and pity and reviling often have a blur when one begins and ends.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

There's one power the sith don't have. The power of heart.

Yeah...That didn't stop reborn Palpatine from literally shoving Luke Skywalker through a solid Durasteel wall with force enhanced strength, hefting the dying Jedi Master up by the throat and stating that this was a battle he could not win, should not have even attempted because he lacked a grasp of just how strong the Darkside was.

And coming from a living force nexus? You kinda take those things to heart.

;o see what i did there?

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]mx_keep13 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]mx_keep13 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z 

[/quote]

In my eye? Mages aren't part of Humanity, regardless of their species of orgin.

They are cursed with something that requires measures to guard against that would never be needed if they were truely a part of humanity.

And i personally find the usage of "Mundane" as insulting as hell personally, like having access to the power of magic at the cost of possibly becoming a demonic plaything at the drop of a hat some how makes them superior.



[/quote]
How are mages not a part of humanity, ****** them do they not bleed, by trying to remove them from humanity's equation and trying to establish them cursed it is dehumanizing making them  something to belittle and torture and feel no sympathy for.

[/quote]

They are not humans because they cannot be humans, Its merely a matter of perspective and one i personally think to be for the best. If they are not humans then there can be no common ground between them and the mases outside the circle for there cannot be any common ground, one is a dangerous threat to the other after all.

Its not as if i am stating to keep the populace completely in the dark of the dangers or the characistics of being a mage, no after all ignorance is the very reason some mages seem overly compelling and dispell the illusion of the "downtrodden" mage once must do so with truth.

No they are beings to be pitied, not revilved for they cannot help their curse nor their stupidity in its use.

They are a useful asset and therefore something to be under state control and to be used at the state's Whim, In this one insistance i think the Qunari have something right.

But they cannot live outside of their guilded cages.



[/quote]
They are still humans just with a connection to the fade nothing  more nothing less, denying them humanity leaves a bad taste in my mouth as it reminds of a justification for slavery and genocide.Mages aren't a tool magic is but a person isnt, and pity and reviling often have a blur when one begins and ends.

[/quote]

Magic is a tool and therefore by the extension of that logic; Mages are tools.

Its a simple conclusion and one that most of Thedas agrees with, Its something i see no reason to change, after all when 90% of the known world lives in Serfdom and servitude. You tend to understand the world around isn't going to change and really doesn't need to change.

So why should mages live outside of societial norms when they are as you said merely humans with a connection to the fade? should they be subject to the nature or their world or live inside yet another guilded cage so they don't throw tantrums?

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Master Warder Z wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

There's one power the sith don't have. The power of heart.

Yeah...That didn't stop reborn Palpatine from literally shoving Luke Skywalker through a solid Durasteel wall with force enhanced strength, hefting the dying Jedi Master up by the throat and stating that this was a battle he could not win, should not have even attempted because he lacked a grasp of just how strong the Darkside was.

And coming from a living force nexus? You kinda take those things to heart.

;o see what i did there?

Too bad that story might as well just be fanfiction at this point.

[Senya]

Wait, who is this EmperorSahlertz is fighting? And who are the others?:

https://www.youtube....h?v=Pk4AiCnMqpg

"Are you threatening me, Ser Templar?"

Modifié par almostinsane99, 17 décembre 2013 - 03:05 .

[Master Warder Z_]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

There's one power the sith don't have. The power of heart.

Yeah...That didn't stop reborn Palpatine from literally shoving Luke Skywalker through a solid Durasteel wall with force enhanced strength, hefting the dying Jedi Master up by the throat and stating that this was a battle he could not win, should not have even attempted because he lacked a grasp of just how strong the Darkside was.

And coming from a living force nexus? You kinda take those things to heart.

;o see what i did there?

Too bad that story might as well just be fanfiction at this point.

I fell in love with alot of the classic EU but i cannot deny it has been slipping down a slope of failures for more then a decade now.

Still i consider MOST of it Canon, My perspective is this.

If Lucas back when he owned the rights to SW didn't want to acknowledge it as canon then he shouldn't have taken their money when they went and bought the usage of the licease.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Master Warder Z wrote...


Magic is a tool and therefore by the extension of that logic; Mages are tools.

Its a simple conclusion and one that most of Thedas agrees with, Its something i see no reason to change, after all when 90% of the known world lives in Serfdom and servitude. You tend to understand the world around isn't going to change and really doesn't need to change.

So why should mages live outside of societial norms when they are as you said merely humans with a connection to the fade? should they be subject to the nature or their world or live inside yet another guilded cage so they don't throw tantrums?

By that logic, all Thedasians are tools because hands are tools. They grip, hit, squeeze, twist, etc.

[Master Warder Z_]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Wait, who is this EmperorSahlertz is fighting? And who are the others?:

https://www.youtube....h?v=Pk4AiCnMqpg

"Are you threatening me, Ser Templar?"

Yeah no, Sidious would be a Templar obviously.

Cooler Armor, Neater orginization and has a underlying sinister tone.

the Jedi greedy, and Hypocrictical as they are would be the mages.

[Master Warder Z_]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


Magic is a tool and therefore by the extension of that logic; Mages are tools.

Its a simple conclusion and one that most of Thedas agrees with, Its something i see no reason to change, after all when 90% of the known world lives in Serfdom and servitude. You tend to understand the world around isn't going to change and really doesn't need to change.

So why should mages live outside of societial norms when they are as you said merely humans with a connection to the fade? should they be subject to the nature or their world or live inside yet another guilded cage so they don't throw tantrums?

By that logic, all Thedasians are tools because hands are tools. They grip, hit, squeeze, twist, etc.

And indeed as i just said most of them are.

Unless if you are nobility you are sort of screwed in the Fuedal system unless if you rise to nobility or wealth yourself.

[Senya]

Master Warder Z wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Wait, who is this EmperorSahlertz is fighting? And who are the others?:

https://www.youtube....h?v=Pk4AiCnMqpg

"Are you threatening me, Ser Templar?"

Yeah no, Sidious would be a Templar obviously.

Cooler Armor, Neater orginization and has a underlying sinister tone.

the Jedi greedy, and Hypocrictical as they are would be the mages.

Nonsense, the Sith want to use their gifts to rule over the galaxy. They're obviously Tevinters. The Jedi, for all their faults, are the best defense against the Dark Side the Galaxy has. It is the Circle/Templars.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 17 décembre 2013 - 03:22 .

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Too bad that story might as well just be fanfiction at this point.

Why might it "as well just be fanfiction at this point?"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Master Warder Z wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


Magic is a tool and therefore by the extension of that logic; Mages are tools.

Its a simple conclusion and one that most of Thedas agrees with, Its something i see no reason to change, after all when 90% of the known world lives in Serfdom and servitude. You tend to understand the world around isn't going to change and really doesn't need to change.

So why should mages live outside of societial norms when they are as you said merely humans with a connection to the fade? should they be subject to the nature or their world or live inside yet another guilded cage so they don't throw tantrums?

By that logic, all Thedasians are tools because hands are tools. They grip, hit, squeeze, twist, etc.

And indeed as i just said most of them are.

Unless if you are nobility you are sort of screwed in the Fuedal system unless if you rise to nobility or wealth yourself.

You mean he very same system that was overthrown by those 'tools'? The same kind of system the mages are trying to overthrow for the very same reason? Hmm, I wonder if there's a connection between the two.

I get the whole "Mages shouldn't have no supervision" argument, but calling mages for lack of a better term subhumans is too far the other direction. It's that mindset that got Thedas in this situation in the first place. The best option is to find a way to keep the mages from creating another Tevinter without removing their humanity in the process. And with both sides in shambles from the current war, we're in exactly the perfect situation to do so.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 17 décembre 2013 - 03:17 .

[Lord Raijin]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

When a mage graduates from the Circle I don't see any reason why the mages need to continue to be locked away when they could be useful in society.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Necanor: Sorry, erm.... death to the mages and stuff!

Stand up for your fellow mages. Stop fighting against us and join us for a valid cause.

<.< "Valid" Cause huh?

You mean the freedom to allow Demons unhindered access to mages and for the risk presented by that to go unheeded until a local lord summons his army and kills the abomination?

Surely you recognize the need for the circle, some barrier between humanity and mages?

When a mage graduates from the Circle I don't see any reason why the mages need to continue to be locked away when they could be useful in society.

And they will be useful, Within the circle they are both at the disposal of the local government and the chantry.

[TK514]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

There's one power the sith don't have. The power of heart.

Yeah...That didn't stop reborn Palpatine from literally shoving Luke Skywalker through a solid Durasteel wall with force enhanced strength, hefting the dying Jedi Master up by the throat and stating that this was a battle he could not win, should not have even attempted because he lacked a grasp of just how strong the Darkside was.

And coming from a living force nexus? You kinda take those things to heart.

;o see what i did there?

Too bad that story might as well just be fanfiction at this point.

I disagree.  It's not too bad at all.  It's wonderful that the Star Wars EU is being obliterated.

I would gladly kill the rare decent short story to kill the cancer that is the Star Wars EU.  And the abomination that franchise's out of movie works has become was probably a mage's fault.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Maybe. But that doesn't seem to be an actual issue with the circles. Mages like Wilhelm, despite reports of his general jerknesss not withstanding, was able to live in honnoleth, raise a family, have a home, work for the arl, and all other things while still being part of the circle.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TK514 wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

He's a a Sith Lord!

Well duh. Sith have all the cool powers, unlike the weak Jedi.

There's one power the sith don't have. The power of heart.

Yeah...That didn't stop reborn Palpatine from literally shoving Luke Skywalker through a solid Durasteel wall with force enhanced strength, hefting the dying Jedi Master up by the throat and stating that this was a battle he could not win, should not have even attempted because he lacked a grasp of just how strong the Darkside was.

And coming from a living force nexus? You kinda take those things to heart.

;o see what i did there?

Too bad that story might as well just be fanfiction at this point.

I disagree.  It's not too bad at all.  It's wonderful that the Star Wars EU is being obliterated.

I would gladly kill the rare decent short story to kill the cancer that is the Star Wars EU.  And the abomination that franchise's out of movie works has become was probably a mage's fault.

Some of the EU books are really good though and I hope stay canon. The Grand Admiral Thrawn Trilogy comes to mind.