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[Senya]

Hm, they weren't? I usually remained neutral in the Act 3 starting dialogue, so I got neither quest. The wiki labels the letters "Blood Mage Dispatches", though.

http://dragonage.wik...Mage_Dispatches

Modifié par almostinsane99, 17 décembre 2013 - 06:56 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Hmm well.. I guess the mages in question could all be Blood Mages then. But my point was that the ones being prosecuted, jduged and executed by the Templars weren't necesarily all Blood Mages, or even mages for that matter. But that at the same time that justice is harsh in Thedas, and it shouldn't come as a surprise that death is often the punishment for even a lesser crime.

[Senya]

True. One of the dialogue options for a Cousland, if I remember correctly, is that striking a noble is a criminal offense and unleashing Blood Mages on Thedas is much worse than striking a horny Chevalier.

Edit: Oh, by the way. Do you like my new Avatar pic? 

Modifié par almostinsane99, 17 décembre 2013 - 07:11 .

[Hellion Rex]

almostinsane99 wrote...

True. One of the dialogue options for a Cousland, if I remember correctly, is that striking a noble is a criminal offense and unleashing Blood Mages on Thedas is much worse than striking a horny Chevalier.

Edit: Oh, by the way. Do you like my new Avatar pic? 

But I liked your old one...

[EmperorSahlertz]

almostinsane99 wrote...

True. One of the dialogue options for a Cousland, if I remember correctly, is that striking a noble is a criminal offense and unleashing Blood Mages on Thedas is much worse than striking a horny Chevalier.

Edit: Oh, by the way. Do you like my new Avatar pic? 

Exactly. But people do have a nasty inability to actually understand that Thedas is a harsh world, and continuesly judge it by our standards when it suits the point they are trying to make.

And no, I do not like your new profile pic! And most certainly not because it is a picture of a filthy mage....

[Senya]

I believe that is called ethnocentrism. Funny. A pro-mage person I know in real life gave a whole presentation on why we should guard against it.

Fine, Commander Shepard it is. Saving Thedas from eldritch abominations since he landed there thanks to the God-Child.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Exactly. But people do have a nasty inability to actually understand that Thedas is a harsh world, and continuesly judge it by our standards when it suits the point they are trying to make

Nasty? :DWe might be stubborn, but never nasty.

Also, you cannot deny that some of our concepts from the real world do tend up sync up nicely with topics within Thedas.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Exactly. But people do have a nasty inability to actually understand that Thedas is a harsh world, and continuesly judge it by our standards when it suits the point they are trying to make

Nasty? :DWe might be stubborn, but never nasty.

Also, you cannot deny that some of our concepts from the real world do tend up sync up nicely with topics within Thedas.

Indeed they would. Our notions of equality would go hand-in-hand with the mage question in Thedas. But no such notion of equality exists yet in Thedas, so it is unfair of us to expect Thedas to live up to an ideology they have no concept of yet.

[Medhia Nox]

For myself, it's less that you shouldn't expect tolerance and understanding in Thedas and more that there isn't a single thing in the real world that could possibly be compared to Thedosian mages.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Indeed they would. Our notions of equality would go hand-in-hand with the mage question in Thedas. But no such notion of equality exists yet in Thedas, so it is unfair of us to expect Thedas to live up to an ideology they have no concept of yet.

True, although I was not necessarily referring to equality in and of itself. When I debate the mage question, I look at it from the basis of collective security versus that of the few. The ancient few vs. the many question, which I think goes a little bit deeper than simple equality, and is much more applicable, at least in my own opinion.

Modifié par eluvianix, 17 décembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[Senya]

I personally am Pro-Circle rather than Pro-Mage or Pro-Templar. I look at the question as how the Circles can be restored and the balance of power and deficiencies within it fixed as much as possible.

[Hellion Rex]

almostinsane99 wrote...

I personally am Pro-Circle rather than Pro-Mage or Pro-Templar. I look at the question as how the Circles can be restored and the balance of power and deficiencies within it fixed as much as possible.

I guess, when you put it like that, I am a very wary Pro-Circle. If we could pull this off, i.e. fixing the Circle's power imbalances, and make it work for more than a few years, then I would be all for it. However, if the only Circle-esque option puts mages right back to where we were pre-war, or even worse, I would swing in the other direction, calling for warfare, if it was our last option.

[Senya]

I get it. I believe in working towards a compromise between Mages and non-Mages.

[Hellion Rex]

almostinsane99 wrote...

I get it. I believe in working towards a compromise between Mages and non-Mages.

I am seriously praying that we get a creative way to deal with this conflict, if it is to be dealt with during this game.

[TK514]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Indeed they would. Our notions of equality would go hand-in-hand with the mage question in Thedas. But no such notion of equality exists yet in Thedas, so it is unfair of us to expect Thedas to live up to an ideology they have no concept of yet.

True, although I was not necessarily referring to equality in and of itself. When I debate the mage question, I look at it from the basis of collective security versus that of the few. The ancient few vs. the many question, which I think goes a little bit deeper than simple equality, and is much more applicable, at least in my own opinion.

If it's a 'few vs many' question, I side with the many.  Which would be the non-mages.

eluvianix wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

I get it. I believe in working towards a compromise between Mages and non-Mages.

I am seriously praying that we get a creative way to deal with this conflict, if it is to be dealt with during this game.

I couldn't agree more.

Modifié par TK514, 17 décembre 2013 - 07:45 .

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Indeed they would. Our notions of equality would go hand-in-hand with the mage question in Thedas. But no such notion of equality exists yet in Thedas, so it is unfair of us to expect Thedas to live up to an ideology they have no concept of yet.

True, although I was not necessarily referring to equality in and of itself. When I debate the mage question, I look at it from the basis of collective security versus that of the few. The ancient few vs. the many question, which I think goes a little bit deeper than simple equality, and is much more applicable, at least in my own opinion.

If it's a 'few vs many' question, I side with the many.  Which would be the non-mages.

And this is where it gets interesting. I do the exact reverse. I side with the few.

[Sir DeLoria]

almostinsane99 wrote...
Fine, Commander Shepard it is. Saving Thedas from eldritch abominations since he landed there thanks to the God-Child.

I hope he brought his squad to carry him.

[Senya]

Necanor wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...
Fine, Commander Shepard it is. Saving Thedas from eldritch abominations since he landed there thanks to the God-Child.

I hope he brought his squad to carry him.

Of course.

Javik: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Kossith... I am surrounded by primitives.

[Sir DeLoria]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...
Fine, Commander Shepard it is. Saving Thedas from eldritch abominations since he landed there thanks to the God-Child.

I hope he brought his squad to carry him.

Of course.

Javik: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Kossith... I am surrounded by primitives.

"These primitives are even more primitive than the other primitives. Well, at least the Asari is gone...oh, oh no..."

[Senya]

Necanor wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...
Fine, Commander Shepard it is. Saving Thedas from eldritch abominations since he landed there thanks to the God-Child.

I hope he brought his squad to carry him.

Of course.

Javik: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Kossith... I am surrounded by primitives.

"These primitives are even more primitive than the other primitives. Well, at least the Asari is gone...oh, oh no..."

"This world is fascinating... It is unheard of for so many races to originate from one planet. Did the Protheans have something to do with this?"

[Medhia Nox]

@eluviainix: Is annihilation of both groups "creative"?

I actually hope that the Inquisition suffers if you decide to back either side.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluviainix: Is annihilation of both groups "creative"?

I actually hope that the Inquisition suffers if you decide to back either side.

No. Simply annihilating both is not what I would consider "creative". What I consider creative might be introducing some new piece of information that might shake things up a tad.

I don't think that the Inquisition should suffer from helping either party at times. Full on support, yes, I could see some consequences down the line. I will probably be supporting both mages and templars during this game, and I would really hope to not have to worry about game altering consequences while I try to prevent both groups from full on warfare with each AND trying to patch the Veil back up, which to be honest, I don't think will be possible.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: Alright - alright, so no annihilation.

How about this.

We tell the mages that the Templars have opened the tears to invade the Fade to shut off magic forever. They should enter the Tears to battle the evil Templars.

We tell the Templars that the mages have entered the Tears to unleash the unholy deity of black magic abomination evilness. The Templars charge into the Tears because mages = bad.

Then - we shut the Tears.

Surely THAT counts as creative.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Alright - alright, so no annihilation.

How about this.

We tell the mages that the Templars have opened the tears to invade the Fade to shut off magic forever. They should enter the Tears to battle the evil Templars.

We tell the Templars that the mages have entered the Tears to unleash the unholy deity of black magic abomination evilness. The Templars charge into the Tears because mages = bad.

Then - we shut the Tears.

Surely THAT counts as creative.

So then we have Templars and mages annihilating each again, just in the Fade. <_<
I am starting to see in trend in the way you think, man.

Modifié par eluvianix, 17 décembre 2013 - 08:13 .

[Senya]

eluvianix wrote...

I don't think that the Inquisition should suffer from helping either party at times. Full on support, yes, I could see some consequences down the line. I will probably be supporting both mages and templars during this game, and I would really hope to not have to worry about game altering consequences while I try to prevent both groups from full on warfare with each AND trying to patch the Veil back up, which to be honest, I don't think will be possible.

This. I plan on supporting sane Templars and Mages in order to brook a peace and fix the Veil so the world doesn't end.