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[SgtSteel91]

I also think the only way he could be even more hated is if you found his journal listing the mages who we're going to made tranquil and Bethany's name was on it.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 22 décembre 2013 - 01:56 .

[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

TK514 wrote...
I'm sorry, but 'letting your charge escape to become an apostate' is the very definition of failure for a Templar.  Ser Carver might have been a nice guy, but he was an awful Templar.  Ser Thrask was even worse.  Not only did he allow a mage to escape, his daughter, but he had several mages he was directly working with, against the Templar Order in Kirkwall, who became blood mages and abominations.  And Evangeline specifically and knowingly betrayed the Order, then became an abomination herself.

You couldn't ask for three better examples of complete and total failure as Templars.

I find it hilarious whenever most people make a list of "good" Templars they always name those who side with mages.

So far Greagoir  is th eonly name that belongs on the list.
Lambert also, to a certain degree.

Ah, but Lambert was a Seeker.
Also, it depends what you mean by "good".

lol! I forgot he was a Seeker. Looks like Greagoir is standing alone. But I'll add DA1 and DA2 Cullen along with all the Templars that followed his orders.

Ser Alrik's head should have been used in a 'bow off' contest between Sebby and Varric.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:01 .

[The Elder King]

@Sgt.Steel91: my opinion of him woudn't change because it's already really low. My Hakwe would've hated him more, but at that point he was already dead.

[The Elder King]

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

Modifié par hhh89, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:04 .

[SgtSteel91]

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

I think it's just a knee jerk reaction given what he went through in Broken Circle. Before that he actually had a crush on the female Amell.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

Yes, Cullen is good. Cullen is very good.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...
lol! I forgot he was a Seeker. Looks like Greagoir is standing alone. But I'll add DA1 and DA2 Cullen along with all the Templars that followed his orders.

Ser Alrik's head should have been used in a 'bow off' contest between Sebby and Varric.

Greagoir, Evangeline, Thrask, Emeric, Otto (the blind one), Irminric, and Bryant, all seem to be good sorts. Bryant, at least, seemed like he had some common sense.

[Sully13]

You know whats sad? theis Mage Templar war thing could have been prevented if they had a sassy gay Hawke.

[The Elder King]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

I think it's just a knee jerk reaction given what he went through in Broken Circle. Before that he actually had a crush on the female Amell.

His views definitely changed due to what he suffered and saw in Origins, though I don't know what you mean with 'knee jerk reaction'.
While I don't think (and don't want) that he'll be pro-mage, I think that the events in Kirkwall might have changed his views a bit.

[Hellion Rex]

su lu pi wrote...

You know whats sad? theis Mage Templar war thing could have been prevented if they had a sassy gay Hawke.

Hah. My Hawke was sassy and gay, and he couldn't keep it all from falling apart.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...
His views definitely changed due to what he suffered and saw in Origins, though I don't know what you mean with 'knee jerk reaction'.
While I don't think (and don't want) that he'll be pro-mage, I think that the events in Kirkwall might have changed his views a bit.

I'll still take him over a Meredith or Lambert, any day.

[Sully13]

Mine was sassy but a lesbian. dam it wasnt enougth.
Honestly the Templars remind me of that school experement with jailers and inmates.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
His views definitely changed due to what he suffered and saw in Origins, though I don't know what you mean with 'knee jerk reaction'.
While I don't think (and don't want) that he'll be pro-mage, I think that the events in Kirkwall might have changed his views a bit.

I'll still take him over a Meredith or Lambert, any day.

I definitely agree on Meredith. For Lambert, I'll wait until I read before forming a definitive opinion.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
His views definitely changed due to what he suffered and saw in Origins, though I don't know what you mean with 'knee jerk reaction'.
While I don't think (and don't want) that he'll be pro-mage, I think that the events in Kirkwall might have changed his views a bit.

I'll still take him over a Meredith or Lambert, any day.

I definitely agree on Meredith. For Lambert, I'll wait until I read before forming a definitive opinion.

Fair enough. But hurry up, and read!!!!!!

[Hellion Rex]

su lu pi wrote...

Mine was sassy but a lesbian. dam it wasnt enougth.
Honestly the Templars remind me of that school experement with jailers and inmates.

Let's not bring up the Stanford Experiment, please.

[The Elder King]

@eluvianix: I know. I'm planning on order it and read it during christmas.
I'd have bought  it directly, but I prefer to read it in the original language. Italian translactions aren't that good, sadly.

Modifié par hhh89, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:24 .

[Sully13]

sure but you have to admit there are simelarites.
Dam dyslexia.

[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...
lol! I forgot he was a Seeker. Looks like Greagoir is standing alone. But I'll add DA1 and DA2 Cullen along with all the Templars that followed his orders.

Ser Alrik's head should have been used in a 'bow off' contest between Sebby and Varric.

Greagoir, Evangeline, Thrask, Emeric, Otto (the blind one), Irminric, and Bryant, all seem to be good sorts. Bryant, at least, seemed like he had some common sense.

fixed. Evangeline and Thrask are morons.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...
lol! I forgot he was a Seeker. Looks like Greagoir is standing alone. But I'll add DA1 and DA2 Cullen along with all the Templars that followed his orders.

Ser Alrik's head should have been used in a 'bow off' contest between Sebby and Varric.

Greagoir, Evangeline, Thrask, Emeric, Otto (the blind one), Irminric, and Bryant, all seem to be good sorts. Bryant, at least, seemed like he had some common sense.

fixed. Evangeline and Thrask are morons.

Ha. Nope.

[Lord Raijin]

TK514 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Just because we see red Templar's does not mean that every other Templar out there are snorting up red lyrium to get their next fix. They're bad Templar's and and than they're the good ones, like Evangeline,Thrask and Emeric.

The Templar Order is not a colossal failure, just poorly manage by the wrong set of people. I can only hope that Cullen could wake the hell up and at least try to get the Order back in good health.

Two of the three templars mentioned here are colossal failures as templars.

Trask is a shining example of why you must never befreind those within your charges, there must be clear and defined boundaries between mage and templar and his fate further reinforces that point.

I won't even bother with Evangeline as the second you start sleeping with the charge, things sort of go out the window like common sense and rule of law

I disagree.

The 2 templars I've mention are not colossal failures, and they did not fail their duty as Templars. They were driven by what was right because after all Templar's are SUPPOSE to help mages.

Thrask was a senior member of the Templars, even prior to Meredith being the Knight Commander. When he indicated that things were different prior to Meredith rulings it means that Mages and Templar's were getting a long with each other, and that the city wasn't saturated with blood mages. Templar's and Mages can in fact be friends. Hawkes father befriended a Templar, and he honored that man by naming his son after him.

At no point whatsoever did Evangeline started sleeping around with Rhys. In fact she even went as far as shove her sword's hilt against his head thus rendering him unconscious.

I'm sorry, but 'letting your charge escape to become an apostate' is the very definition of failure for a Templar.  Ser Carver might have been a nice guy, but he was an awful Templar.  Ser Thrask was even worse.  Not only did he allow a mage to escape, his daughter, but he had several mages he was directly working with, against the Templar Order in Kirkwall, who became blood mages and abominations.  And Evangeline specifically and knowingly betrayed the Order, then became an abomination herself.

You couldn't ask for three better examples of complete and total failure as Templars.

Being a Templar means you must have good judgement and be good at decision making. Ser Carver clearly saw no immiant dangers coming from Malcolm Hawke that could overall harm the citizens of the Free Marches, and that the only thing that this man wants was to be with his mundane lover... who later produced 3 upstanding citizens of Ferelden in Lothering.

Ser Thrask was not working against the Templar Order. His duty as a Templar was to protect the mages at all cost. He became a leader of a slow growing rebellion that consist of both mages and other templar's who clearly sees the unstablitity behavior coming out of Meredith. Meredith was no longer obeying the Orders rules. She wanted to become Kirkwalls ruler, and therefour refused to allow the nobility to have their elections.

Thrask was one hell of a great Templar. He was willing to turn against his own insane Commander to fullfill his duty as a templar to protect the mages, even at the cost of his life.

Evangeline did what she had to do. It was a direct order by the Divine to complete this mission, and she did exactly that. Lambert wanted her to go against the Divine by destorying the research and killing everyone who was involved in the mission. I don't see that as betraying the Order just because some very pro Rite of Tranquility Seeker nut gave her "extra" set of orders.  She did not became an abomination either. I don't know where you get this information from but that is false. Spirit of Faith is not a corrupted spirit. It is a powerful benevolent spirit, thats all.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:51 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Good templars if we talk about morality this organization is very low fanaticism and kicking dogs is standard traits in their organization and their only solution when they can't control something is kill it or turn into zombie ignoring they aren't very competent in their job.   

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

Yes, Cullen is good. Cullen is very good.

Cullen is a putz... p.u.t.z... PUTZ! It took him this long to figure out that his Kight-Commander was unstable. It took him this long to actually take action. He had the authority to force Meredith to stand down, and he waited until after the Chantry was blown up.

[wolfhowwl]

Thrask was a bleeding heart who cavorted with blood mages and got killed by an abomination for his weakness and stupidity. 

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:58 .

[Rotward]

Lyrium addiction is a serious problem! Don't be an enabler, kids!

Modifié par Rotward, 22 décembre 2013 - 03:03 .

[Hellion Rex]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Thrask was a bleeding heart who cavorted with blood mages and got killed by an abomination for his weakness and stupidity. 

Thrask was a nice, kind templar. Why couldn't more be like him?
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