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[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

Yes, Cullen is good. Cullen is very good.

Cullen is a putz... p.u.t.z... PUTZ! It took him this long to figure out that his Kight-Commander was unstable. It took him this long to actually take action. He had the authority to force Meredith to stand down, and he waited until after the Chantry was blown up.

B-b-b-b-but, he's so hot!
And in all honesty, he did step in against Meredith, in the end. I think that in and of itself is noteworthy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

Yes, Cullen is good. Cullen is very good.

Cullen is a putz... p.u.t.z... PUTZ! It took him this long to figure out that his Kight-Commander was unstable. It took him this long to actually take action. He had the authority to force Meredith to stand down, and he waited until after the Chantry was blown up.

B-b-b-b-but, he's so hot!
And in all honesty, he did step in against Meredith, in the end. I think that in and of itself is noteworthy.

yeah after they slained mages and after meredith order him to kill hawke sorry but i don't take his "redemption" which took place only after meredith wanted kill hawke and then cullen chickened out.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 décembre 2013 - 03:33 .

[Lord Raijin]

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

You woulnd't have opportunity because world would be invaded by abominations... 

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: Cullen is a templar who don't abuse his power, so in this he is an example. I don't agree with his views, though I understand the reason why he has them.

Yes, Cullen is good. Cullen is very good.

Cullen is a putz... p.u.t.z... PUTZ! It took him this long to figure out that his Kight-Commander was unstable. It took him this long to actually take action. He had the authority to force Meredith to stand down, and he waited until after the Chantry was blown up.

B-b-b-b-but, he's so hot!
And in all honesty, he did step in against Meredith, in the end. I think that in and of itself is noteworthy.

Yeah.... everyone wants to take a turn to ride in his pants. Hes got such a cute baby face, doesn't he?

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Greagoir yes, Lambert no. Alrik, HELL NO.

[Master Warder Z_]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Thrask was a bleeding heart who cavorted with blood mages and got killed by an abomination for his weakness and stupidity. 

The Truth in a single sentence, no point in debating with multiple paragraphs when this just about sums it up.

[Lord Raijin]

[quote]TheKomandorShepard wrote...

[quote]Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar [/quote]

You woulnd't have opportunity because world would be invaded by abominations... 

[/quote]

Nonsense  That's all propaganda coming from Meredith herself!

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar [/quote]

If
more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of
thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little
rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

That would be great. Imperiums for all

Are you having withdrawls on your Lyrium?!??!! The world doesn't need more Templars like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik

[TheKomandorShepard]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Gregoir as far i remember his circle was taken by abomnations when he was hiding under the bed besides that circle are failure...

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Greagoir yes, Lambert no. Alrik, HELL NO.

They all have their places in the Templars and Seekers and Alrik's plan was sound in my eye.

In fact if you think about it had it been implemented there would have been no circle wall rebellion, thus no powder keg for those mages in Orlais to set off with their idiocy.

In fact, Why not take it a step further and just disolve the entirity of all 13 existing circles, start from scratch when a new generation aware of what would happen to a seditious older generation comes into its power, save for a select few enchanters *coughes the loyalists cough*.

Lambert however is my prefered men of the list, willing to compromise, even make bargins but utterly unrelenting when the gloves come off.

Recall that he was even willing to consider allowing the tranquil cure to be studied under proper research conditions in the future; a bigger concession you would never see come from a seeker. But he also had no qualms about depensing justice through the mercy of death to mages when it was required.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...



Nonsense  That's all propaganda coming from Meredith herself!

Well then 98 % mages who were abomnations or psychopaths aren't prove i guess

[Lord Raijin]

Greagoir wanted to turn my best friend into an emotionless freak. He can go pound salt!!!!

[Master Warder Z_]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Gregoir as far i remember his circle was taken by abomnations when he was hiding under the bed besides that circle are failure...

Indeed but rather then pointless hoping for survivors, he requested reinforcements and the right of anullment, his response to a rapidly changing and deteriorating situation was superb.

Not to mention that even before that he was a fairly impartial if effective templar for decades.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Greagoir wanted to turn my best friend into an emotionless freak. He can go pound salt!!!!

You mean the Blood Mage covorting with a member of the chantry?

Yeah Jowan needed to just be executed i agree.

sparing his life even at the cost of his emotions and connection to the fade was much to merciful.

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Greagoir yes, Lambert no. Alrik, HELL NO.

They all have their places in the Templars and Seekers and Alrik's plan was sound in my eye.

In fact if you think about it had it been implemented there would have been no circle wall rebellion, thus no powder keg for those mages in Orlais to set off with their idiocy.

In fact, Why not take it a step further and just disolve the entirity of all 13 existing circles, start from scratch when a new generation aware of what would happen to a seditious older generation comes into its power, save for a select few enchanters *coughes the loyalists cough*.

Lambert however is my prefered men of the list, willing to compromise, even make bargins but utterly unrelenting when the gloves come off.

Recall that he was even willing to consider allowing the tranquil cure to be studied under proper research conditions in the future; a bigger concession you would never see come from a seeker. But he also had no qualms about depensing justice through the mercy of death to mages when it was required.

Lambert, fine, whatever. But what in the hell did you see in Alrik?

[Lord Raijin]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Greagoir wanted to turn my best friend into an emotionless freak. He can go pound salt!!!!

You mean the Blood Mage covorting with a member of the chantry?

Yeah Jowan needed to just be executed i agree.

sparing his life even at the cost of his emotions and connection to the fade was much to merciful.

So it's ok for the Chantry to use Blood magic, but not a mage who only used it to defend himself and his mundane lover? Oh my goodness how aweful.

It should be Templars like Greagoir who should have the brand on their foreheads.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Congratulations Warden Z, you are the first person I've ever seen, even among Pro-Templars, who approved of Alrik's Tranquil Solution. I honestly thought I'd never see the day when the most abhorrent plan shown in the Dragon Age games to date would see support. And I'm not even a Pro-Mage person.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 22 décembre 2013 - 03:49 .

[Afro_Explosion]

I can't tell if he's trolling or staunchly pro templar.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Gregoir as far i remember his circle was taken by abomnations when he was hiding under the bed besides that circle are failure...

Indeed but rather then pointless hoping for survivors, he requested reinforcements and the right of anullment, his response to a rapidly changing and deteriorating situation was superb.

Not to mention that even before that he was a fairly impartial if effective templar for decades.

Hmm then i just missed army of apostates in ferelden jowan most incompetent in dragon age kicked his and his peoples ass and escaped from tower so he was hardly competent.Im for removing templars and chantry and creating new anti-magical independent organization (something like wardens) instead taking them to circle and wasting money , time and attention that is taken to watch circle simple eliminate mages and new-born mages.So new anti-magical without chantry bullcrap about maker only pure discipline and 0 mercy like wardens to darkspawn.

[Hellion Rex]

mx_keep13 wrote...

I can't tell if he's trolling or staunchly pro templar.

I am praying that it's the former.

[Master Warder Z_]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Congratulations Warden Z, you are the first person I've ever seen, even among Pro-Templars, who approved of Alrik's Tranquil Solution. I honestly thought I'd never see the day when the most abhorrent plan shown in the Dragon Age games to date would see support. And I'm not even a Pro-Mage person.

It's the final solution to this problem as far as i am concerned or at least it was in hindsight at least.

Now? it couldn't undo the damage done, no instead of sparing the world horrors of it this war; it will have to be won. Through blood and death, destruction and mass slaughter. It would have destroyed the emotions of a few thousand and spared countless others, but its viewed as amoral when in reality it was perhaps the only true path to peace.

You ask me why i approve of it? Because it was one of the few measures if taken that would have prevented it, and if it had gone even further as i had envisioned? It would have spared the world.

http://www.thesquids...eolsolution.jpg

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Greagoir wanted to turn my best friend into an emotionless freak. He can go pound salt!!!!

You mean the Blood Mage covorting with a member of the chantry?

Yeah Jowan needed to just be executed i agree.

sparing his life even at the cost of his emotions and connection to the fade was much to merciful.

So it's ok for the Chantry to use Blood magic, but not a mage who only used it to defend himself and his mundane lover? Oh my goodness how aweful.

It should be Templars like Greagoir who should have the brand on their foreheads.

You think its an accurate comparision when one is in truth no more blood magic then using a scyring ritual and you compare to something that can enthrall, destroy and kill.

One is a tool, the other is a weapon.

Honestly Raijin this has to be the flimiest agrument yet.

[Master Warder Z_]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

If more Templar's were more like Thrask I would be a Pro-Templar

If more templars were like Thrask then we would already have the rest of thedas turning into the Imperiums centuries before this little rebellion.

No what we need are more men like Lambert, Gegeoir and Alrik.

Gregoir as far i remember his circle was taken by abomnations when he was hiding under the bed besides that circle are failure...

Indeed but rather then pointless hoping for survivors, he requested reinforcements and the right of anullment, his response to a rapidly changing and deteriorating situation was superb.

Not to mention that even before that he was a fairly impartial if effective templar for decades.

Hmm then i just missed army of apostates in ferelden jowan most incompetent in dragon age kicked his and his peoples ass and escaped from tower so he was hardly competent.Im for removing templars and chantry and creating new anti-magical independent organization (something like wardens) instead taking them to circle and wasting money , time and attention that is taken to watch circle simple eliminate mages and new-born mages.So new anti-magical without chantry bullcrap about maker only pure discipline and 0 mercy like wardens to darkspawn.

He was caught off guard likely hadn't expected such an attack as he admited just a handful of seconds after it occured.

And in my ideal templars like the one i advocate for, like the one Lambert advocates for there is no mercy, no comrpomise and no weakeness tolerated because there cannot be any weakeness in a mage; else it is little more then a weapon for a demon to seize.

That said you won't find a magical watch group to just spring from nothingness, the templars have existed for over a thousand years, the people of thedas look to them as the guardians against the threat of magic, so instead of going to the trouble and training a new army to look after mages, why not simply change the dogma of the templars?

It likely would be a far easier and cheaper task.

[Lord Raijin]

Master Warder Z wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Congratulations Warden Z, you are the first person I've ever seen, even among Pro-Templars, who approved of Alrik's Tranquil Solution. I honestly thought I'd never see the day when the most abhorrent plan shown in the Dragon Age games to date would see support. And I'm not even a Pro-Mage person.

It's the final solution to this problem as far as i am concerned or at least it was in hindsight at least.

Now? it couldn't undo the damage done, no instead of sparing the world horrors of it this war; it will have to be won. Through blood and death, destruction and mass slaughter. It would have destroyed the emotions of a few thousand and spared countless others, but its viewed as amoral when in reality it was perhaps the only true path to peace.

You ask me why i approve of it? Because it was one of the few measures if taken that would have prevented it, and if it had gone even further as i had envisioned? It would have spared the world.

http://www.thesquids...eolsolution.jpg

The Rite of Tranquility is cruel and unsual, especially if it's force on a mage. Mages would rather be killed than to become an emotionaless muliated freak.