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[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cullen is my everything. Don't you dare say anything to tarnish his glorious magnificence.

Pfft, take him.  You can take all of them.  I don't care for any of them.

Pffft. I will take them all. Keep your mangy mutt.

[Hazegurl]

It sucks that DA2 had to go to the extreme in its portrayal of everything. I wish the Tranquil Solution was a little more reasonable. Such as, The rite to tranquil unruly mages or mages showing signs of unruliness after their Harrowing. It would have been a chance to offer up a decent debate about whether such an act is necessary while also taking into account for how wild Kirkwall has become with all the blood mages running about and plotting. Instead the writers had to make Alrik a rapist creeper who thinks all mages should be made tranquil so he can rape easily. *sigh*

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

It sucks that DA2 had to go to the extreme in its portrayal of everything. I wish the Tranquil Solution was a little more reasonable. Such as, The rite to tranquil unruly mages or mages showing signs of unruliness after their Harrowing. It would have been a chance to offer up a decent debate about whether such an act is necessary while also taking into account for how wild Kirkwall has become with all the blood mages running about and plotting. Instead the writers had to make Alrik a rapist creeper who thinks all mages should be made tranquil so he can rape easily. *sigh*

No, it gives an evil templar to contrast with the likes of Tarohne.

[Hazegurl]

Why couldn't they have balanced her out as well? Kirkwall was like being trapped in a funhouse mirror.

[AlexanderCousland]

Hazegurl wrote...

It sucks that DA2 had to go to the extreme in its portrayal of everything. I wish the Tranquil Solution was a little more reasonable. Such as, The rite to tranquil unruly mages or mages showing signs of unruliness after their Harrowing. It would have been a chance to offer up a decent debate about whether such an act is necessary while also taking into account for how wild Kirkwall has become with all the blood mages running about and plotting. Instead the writers had to make Alrik a rapist creeper who thinks all mages should be made tranquil so he can rape easily. *sigh*

Well the writer's (and alot of people at bioware) themselves are people who can relate to extreme issues. The lead writer is gay and the majority of his team consists of Women. Gaider himself said they write things loosely based on their opinions of real world social issue's so It doesn't suprise me they go to extremes to convey their points within the context of the World they created.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 22 décembre 2013 - 05:57 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well to restore balance in the universe and im forced use pierce against you  

[The Baconer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't subscribe to magic being a genetic trait. It would leave too many questions such as how such a genetic trait has been so widespread throughout thedas? How the quanri who had no contact and possible cannot concieve with humans have mages within their society?

I thought I remembered a codex entry or something like that discussing a theory that exposure to the Fade in some form can lead to mages being born in a family at some point down the line, but it actually turned out to be an off-hand comment from a random NPC from the Hanged Man. Take it how as you will.

Well, I'm pretty sure humans weren't the first mages, but yes, there would still need to be an explanation as to why it would occur among Qunari.

How tevinters genetic material has not deteriorated/inbreed over these years to have strange effects on the magic genes?

(on Tevinter) Even some mages are not spared, for in mages as in all humans, there
exists a spectrum—on one end, the very powerful, on the other, those
that can barely light a candle.

There are also oddities like Somniari.

Veruin wrote...
Do we even know of a couple that are both mages and had a child?  Excluding wardenXMorrigan?

Now that you mention it, no, I cannot remember an instance of that nor can I find it ever mention in the games or books. Really, really weird that there hasn't been a single example of this so far, as far as I'm aware.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Congratulations Warden Z, you are the first person I've ever seen, even among Pro-Templars, who approved of Alrik's Tranquil Solution. I honestly thought I'd never see the day when the most abhorrent plan shown in the Dragon Age games to date would see support. And I'm not even a Pro-Mage person.

Is it really?

There were some pretty dark plans from Bioware in the past.
What about the Architect turning everyone into darkspawn?

Let's face it, the tranquil solution, from a practical perspective, is a sound move.

And calling tranqulity inhumane? Death is final. There is no reversal. Tranqulity is not. And the person still lives and is usefull to society. And it's also content.
You would say that it's not the same person anymore?
Well, death also changes someone in a very permanent way.


And creating a new templar order separate from the Chantry?
From a practical perspective that is the exact opposite. Not to mention it rests on a incorrect assumption that removing hte Chatnry will somehow make everything better.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 22 décembre 2013 - 11:32 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

There might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the results it might garner.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes separating new anti-magical organisation from chantry is good idea simple because chantry is corrupted and power hungry church so it will feed organisation with their nonsense and hypocritical morals and use them for own benefit and then we will have that what we have already buch of hypocritical and corrupted fools who fail in that what they should do once after once.It is time someone competent start rule with iron fist not corrupted church what plays saits and can't do job done. 

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 décembre 2013 - 12:16 .

[MisterJB]

I wonder how long it would take for the Tevinters to implement Alrik's idea if they knew how the Rite works.
Two, three days? The only slaves that would escape are those the Magisters take pleasure in tormenting.

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Basically anything else is a better way of handling the situation.

[TheKomandorShepard]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Basically anything else is a better way of handling the situation.

Rly? release mages world will burn , lock them in one place and just wait them to start turning into abomnation and waste resources to watch them instead hunting them and see how many we will have meredith sisters and broken circles... and well all this with beautiful rebellion that spread destruction... so survival is the best option. 

[MisterJB]

Tranquilizing all mages is taking things a step too far. That doesn't change the fact, however, that mages must be contained or human society will return to the days of the old Imperium with non-mages being either slaves or second class citizens.
It is understandable for mages to wish to be free; it is human nature to wish for more; but not justifiable. And, ultimately, the non-mages have no other options: if mages win their freedom, they will lose theirs, not just the freedom to but the freedom from.

Modifié par MisterJB, 22 décembre 2013 - 12:49 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Basically anything else is a better way of handling the situation.

Rly? release mages world will burn , lock them in one place and just wait them to start turning into abomnation and waste resources to watch them instead hunting them and see how many we will have meredith sisters and broken circles... and well all this with beautiful rebellion that spread destruction... so survival is the best option. 

As I said BASICALLY anything would be better. I am not surprised you failed to comprehend that word. Especially since one of your fevered scenarios specifically is about doing nothing which explicitly means NOT handling the situation at all, which therefore doesn't even fit the what I was saying.

[TheKomandorShepard]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Basically anything else is a better way of handling the situation.

Rly? release mages world will burn , lock them in one place and just wait them to start turning into abomnation and waste resources to watch them instead hunting them and see how many we will have meredith sisters and broken circles... and well all this with beautiful rebellion that spread destruction... so survival is the best option. 

As I said BASICALLY anything would be better. I am not surprised you failed to comprehend that word. Especially since one of your fevered scenarios specifically is about doing nothing which explicitly means NOT handling the situation at all, which therefore doesn't even fit the what I was saying.

Only way to "handle" that situation is to eliminate the enemy any others are ineffective so unless bio will put another deus ex machina there is no way and that what makes that much better than other options what i pointed were options that are possible circles don't work because they are too lax and if we make circles more restricitive to the point that mages are no danger i doubt that would be for them fate better than death and it will take only money. So nope elimination of danger is always best solution...

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Basically anything else is a better way of handling the situation.

Rly? release mages world will burn , lock them in one place and just wait them to start turning into abomnation and waste resources to watch them instead hunting them and see how many we will have meredith sisters and broken circles... and well all this with beautiful rebellion that spread destruction... so survival is the best option. 

As I said BASICALLY anything would be better. I am not surprised you failed to comprehend that word. Especially since one of your fevered scenarios specifically is about doing nothing which explicitly means NOT handling the situation at all, which therefore doesn't even fit the what I was saying.

Only way to "handle" that situation is to eliminate the enemy any others are ineffective so unless bio will put another deus ex machina there is no way and that what makes that much better than other options what i pointed were options that are possible circles don't work because they are too lax and if we make circles more restricitive to the point that mages are no danger i doubt that would be for them fate better than death and it will take only money. So nope elimination of danger is always best solution...

The Circles have worked just fine for 900 years in their containment of magical threats. When was the last huge magical calamity, barring the Kirkwall bombing, that you seem to claim must have been widespread incidents? That's right, there weren't any. Thanks to the Circle.

And mages are not "the enemy" in any way shape or form. The mages are victims just as much as any mundane. The mages cannot help be who they are, however their conditions presents a threat, that must be contained. But mages are still people and deserve just as much respect as any other man, woman or child. However the unique conditions means that they must live under unique conditions.

And the eliminations of danger is decidedly NOT always the best solution. Unless you are a short-sighted fool, who cannot comprehend geo-political, geo-econimical, strategic, tacitical and a whole slew of other aspects, in which mages prove to be massive assets.
We do not tear down nuclear powerplants out of ahdn either, jsut because they pose a threat. Because for as long as they are functional they serve a purpose and are hugely effective at what they do.

You only eliminate a threat when you have no use for it anymore, or if the threat becomes too large to control effectively.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 22 décembre 2013 - 01:09 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There
might be an extremely cynical, pragmatic practical appliclation of the
Tranquil Solution, but it is still inhumane, unjust and just plain
wrong. It is the wrong way of handling the entire situation, despite the
results it might garner.

Because? I guess you will give us better soulution if that is wrong way of handling that situation.

Basically anything else is a better way of handling the situation.

Rly? release mages world will burn , lock them in one place and just wait them to start turning into abomnation and waste resources to watch them instead hunting them and see how many we will have meredith sisters and broken circles... and well all this with beautiful rebellion that spread destruction... so survival is the best option. 

As I said BASICALLY anything would be better. I am not surprised you failed to comprehend that word. Especially since one of your fevered scenarios specifically is about doing nothing which explicitly means NOT handling the situation at all, which therefore doesn't even fit the what I was saying.

Only way to "handle" that situation is to eliminate the enemy any others are ineffective so unless bio will put another deus ex machina there is no way and that what makes that much better than other options what i pointed were options that are possible circles don't work because they are too lax and if we make circles more restricitive to the point that mages are no danger i doubt that would be for them fate better than death and it will take only money. So nope elimination of danger is always best solution...

The Circles have worked just fine for 900 years in their containment of magical threats. When was the last huge magical calamity, barring the Kirkwall bombing, that you seem to claim must have been widespread incidents? That's right, there weren't any. Thanks to the Circle.

And mages are not "the enemy" in any way shape or form. The mages are victims just as much as any mundane. The mages cannot help be who they are, however their conditions presents a threat, that must be contained. But mages are still people and deserve just as much respect as any other man, woman or child. However the unique conditions means that they must live under unique conditions.

Worked? hah maybe they worked but awfully how many we had RoA in 900 years?How many apostates ,blood mages and abomnation we seen during just 10 years ,pretty much army of them.How many peoples killed by mages we have well even more... Pretty much you could try imprison hulk in normal prison smiliar effect. 

Everything that tries to kill you enemy especially if that can destroy world in any moment victims or not every of them is unstable nuclear bomb and contain that doesn't have sense because it can't be controlled as pretty much that should be proved at this time if you played 2 games.It doesn't matter if they are peoples or not but if other human is massive danger ,you remove him for good thinking otherwise is simply naive and caused that what we see now in thedas...    


Edit
As far mages don't have massive use they lost every their fight so it is just bull they don't privde much use unless nuclear bomb that destroys everything including you is useful simple technology is more secure than mages and is much more useful than them deal with that. And yep elimination of danger is best solution thedas proves it

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 décembre 2013 - 01:21 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Worked? hah maybe they worked but awfully how many we had RoA in 900 years?How many apostates ,blood mages and abomnation we seen during just 10 years ,pretty much army of them.How many peoples killed by mages we have well even more... Pretty much you could try imprison hulk in normal prison smiliar effect. 

And how do you think the situation would ahve looked if the Circle had not been there at all? All you manage to do right now, is just further displaying your own inability to comprehend the use and application of the Cirlces, and what they ahve done throughout the centuries for Thedosian civilization.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Everything that tries to kill you enemy especially if that can destroy world in any moment victims or not every of them is unstable nuclear bomb and contain that doesn't have sense because it can't be controlled as pretty much that should be proved at this time if you played 2 games.It doesn't matter if they are peoples or not but if other human is massive danger ,you remove him for good thinking otherwise is simply naive and caused that what we see now in thedas...

Mages are NOT trying to kill you. Mages are NOT the enemy. Again, the very fact that amges ahve existed for several thousands of years, and the world is yet to end, simply proves that you are vastly exaggerating the threat mages pose.
That does not mean that mages do not pose a threat. It simply means that YOU fail to understand the lore as it is presented to us.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Edit
As far mages don't have massive use they lost every their fight so it is just bull they don't privde much use unless nuclear bomb that destroys everything including you is useful simple technology is more secure than mages and is much more useful than them deal with that. And yep elimination of danger is best solution thedas proves it 

Mages havn't even been in any major conflicts as a faction of their own. Nor ahve they lost any such conflict that you claim to have existed. Unless you are talking about the Annulments, in which case the mages have been fighting a force specialized in dealing with mages and magic, and have probably not had time to prepare themsevles.
As a matter of fact, if we look at Tevinter, mages prove extremely useful in most conflicts, since Tevinter has been beaten and battered for almost two thousand years, but they have never lost any conflict so far. The oldest nation of Thedas is run by mages, so why EXACTLY has that nation not yet succumbed to the apocalyptic threat that you claim mages pose?

[TheKomandorShepard]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Worked? hah maybe they worked but awfully how many we had RoA in 900 years?How many apostates ,blood mages and abomnation we seen during just 10 years ,pretty much army of them.How many peoples killed by mages we have well even more... Pretty much you could try imprison hulk in normal prison smiliar effect. 

And how do you think the situation would ahve looked if the Circle had not been there at all? All you manage to do right now, is just further displaying your own inability to comprehend the use and application of the Cirlces, and what they ahve done throughout the centuries for Thedosian civilization.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Everything that tries to kill you enemy especially if that can destroy world in any moment victims or not every of them is unstable nuclear bomb and contain that doesn't have sense because it can't be controlled as pretty much that should be proved at this time if you played 2 games.It doesn't matter if they are peoples or not but if other human is massive danger ,you remove him for good thinking otherwise is simply naive and caused that what we see now in thedas...

Mages are NOT trying to kill you. Mages are NOT the enemy. Again, the very fact that amges ahve existed for several thousands of years, and the world is yet to end, simply proves that you are vastly exaggerating the threat mages pose.
That does not mean that mages do not pose a threat. It simply means that YOU fail to understand the lore as it is presented to us.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Edit
As far mages don't have massive use they lost every their fight so it is just bull they don't privde much use unless nuclear bomb that destroys everything including you is useful simple technology is more secure than mages and is much more useful than them deal with that. And yep elimination of danger is best solution thedas proves it 

Mages havn't even been in any major conflicts as a faction of their own. Nor ahve they lost any such conflict that you claim to have existed. Unless you are talking about the Annulments, in which case the mages have been fighting a force specialized in dealing with mages and magic, and have probably not had time to prepare themsevles.
As a matter of fact, if we look at Tevinter, mages prove extremely useful in most conflicts, since Tevinter has been beaten and battered for almost two thousand years, but they have never lost any conflict so far. The oldest nation of Thedas is run by mages, so why EXACTLY has that nation not yet succumbed to the apocalyptic threat that you claim mages pose?

1.That circles put situation from tragic to bad doesn't mean that someone should jump because of that circles do poorly their job when it comes protect non-mages from mages as we seen in da products... So no still circles do their job poorly. 

2.No they don't well i guess 1000 mages trying to kill my charcter because of insanity or because they are abomnations aren't good prove sorry but massive number of mages victim speak otherwise... Demons existed as well but many of them are threat on national scale some are threat on world scale so...

3.Mages vs qunari in kirkwall ass kicked , mages vs slavers ass kicked , mages vs templars ass kicked , mages vs seekers ass kicked , Ostagar ass kicked ,circle vs abomnations ass kicked , mage vs mercenaries escape so ahaha nope they aren't very strong.

4.Blood mages , blood mages and well blood mages pushing that tevinter don't fear use any means to reach their goal and if fenris is reliable (well not very for me but that just i) abomnations there are just runing i wouldn't be suprised if that often ends rampage but tev just don't care...

[Hazegurl]

FreshIstay wrote...
Well the writer's (and alot of people at bioware) themselves are people who can relate to extreme issues. The lead writer is gay and the majority of his team consists of Women. Gaider himself said they write things loosely based on their opinions of real world social issue's so It doesn't suprise me they go to extremes to convey their points within the context of the World they created.

Too bad they did a terrible job. There is nothing wrong with using extremes to convey points but when it's done all the time it gets tiring. The story was too bipolar to be taken seriously. If I was given a chance I would have packed my bags and hopped on the first ship back to Ferelden after the deep roads expedition.  Since I was stuck with the crazies I simply remained on the fence until forced to choose a side during my first play through. Now I just pick a side based on who I want to friend/rival.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cullen is my everything. Don't you dare say anything to tarnish his glorious magnificence.

Pfft, take him.  You can take all of them.  I don't care for any of them.

Pffft. I will take them all. Keep your mangy mutt.

Cullen hates mages and mage supporters. I just want to spit that out

MisterJB wrote...

Tranquilizing all mages is taking things
a step too far. That doesn't change the fact, however, that mages must
be contained or human society will return to the days of the old
Imperium with non-mages being either slaves or second class citizens.
It
is understandable for mages to wish to be free; it is human nature to
wish for more; but not justifiable. And, ultimately, the non-mages have
no other options: if mages win their freedom, they will lose theirs, not
just the freedom to but the freedom from.

Thats nothing more than Chantry propaganda. The mundane society is very much like of the old Imperium by treating the elves like second class citizens or even use them as a severants or as sex slaves. Loghain Mac Tir allowed the elves from his city to be sold as slaves... yeah this is a non-mage who supported the old Imperium concept.

 “Forcing mages into servitude is not the way to prevent the rise of another Imperium,” - Hawke

[Medhia Nox]

@Lord Raijin: What I find interesting - is that you ask for temperance, but applaud radicalism.

[AresKeith]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Lord Raijin: What I find interesting - is that you ask for temperance, but applaud radicalism.

The hypocrisy

[Sully13]

The best way to cause some one to reble is to give them no option but to.
I see Mages as basicaly Thalomide children born with a birth defect caused buy a compound in this case Liryum not Thalomide.
Not one of them is a Mage buy choice it is a birth deffect that is a part of there life as a Mute i can understand.