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[Afro_Explosion]

@Komandor Im starting to think you want to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you want to get rid of mages less competition. 

Modifié par mx_keep13, 22 décembre 2013 - 08:10 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
And how many have access to healing magic outside nobles giving that mages block progress of medicine.And not still loghain never destroyed even nearly ferelden only blight did it and loghain paranoia only make it easier but still blights are mages blame. And well everything you pointed was part of history in real world and even is but still our world didn't had even half of problems that mages caused.So you pointed another damage caused by mages. And no we saw apostates , blood mages and abomnations free add to that tevinter and we have a lot deaths caused by mages and most of them was locked in that time.  

And no non-mages aren't just as dangerous they can't destroy world just because one of them had bad day and even purposely non-mage can't do that when mage can do that not intentionally. So kill them all is perfect solution to solve problem...  

The mages can't block the progress of anything. They have no social standing, remember? Any blocking of medicinal advancemwent is on the Chantry's shoulders since they are the ones who have mages heal people instead of learning physical methods. And no, Loghain did not nearly destroy it in the sense of leading the Darkspawn horde, but in the sense of his racism of Orlesians divided the nation and pretty much made the Darkspawn advance much simpler so he is just as much to blame for every Ferelden death at their hands as the Darkspawn are. 

So Thedas was peaceful ever since the circles were started. I must have dreamt that whole Orlais and Ferelden conflict then. And that's just one instance. And as for Tevinter, look at both sides. The Tevinter Imperium, despite all its faults, are serving as practically a shield againt the Qunari for the rest of Thedas.

And again yes, a nonmage can destroy the world just as easily as a mage. Nonmages suffer the same drives mages due, and thus can do the same things to acheive those ends. The only difference is one uses a blade and the other a spell.

To be honest qunari vs world destruction isn't bad alternative at least i could escape.Mages block advancement of technology because everyone try use magic (in most cases it have fatal consequences) and well healing mages block normal medicine.Still darkspawn caused destruction (and mages are blame for darkspawn) without them loghian wouldn't do anything.Ok lets asume that we have person A and person B person A is normal human nothing extraordinary person B can trun into nuclear bomb when gets angry or sad guess who is more dangerous and both are drived by that same things...

You realize that is the Qunari attacked the rest of Thedas, it would also tear open the Veil. That is caused by bloodshed, you said so yourself, so it doesn't matter who is responsible for all the death to cause it to happen. And yet without mages, you are now lacking one of the only weapons to stop the demon hordes.

And without the Darkspawn, we don't know what Loghain would do. He could have done nothing, he could have assassinated King Cailan and sparked a civil war. There are endless possibilities of what could happen. 

Truth be told, I'd be more worried about Person A simply because they can slip through society undetected while everyone already doesn't trust Person B due to predudices. 

And you missed my edition: If you want to kill every mage child because they may kill people, why stop there? We should kill nonmage children too because they might grow up and kill someone.

No it won't they did that already and that didn't happened as well with other wars , wars torn veil much more slowly than magic.Still even not close damaging as darkspawn (civil war).Still we have deal with demons and possible other ways (well i don't like deal with demon) but i told about sparing few mages for grey warden who would also close veil and others need to be killed but i pointed that in my conversations about mages before and im too lazy to talk about that again. 

So what person A is normal dude at best he kill 2 person before he will get caught when person b can kill
millions at any time unlike person A person B don't even have to do that intentionally.

Simple you have reason above one normal person sure can cause death of many but need to have army of other peoples what share his goal or ideals and still hardly will go just to destroy world more like power and money unlike make who can at any moment start destroy world alone just because mage was possessed and only his goal is destruction.

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Komandor Im starting to think you want
to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you
want to get rid of mages less competition. 

No i want kill things that are big danger for me and well world destruction is bad for business so i will use everything to be in charge and to stay things that way...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 décembre 2013 - 08:23 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Komandor Im starting to think you want
to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you
want to get rid of mages less competition. 

No i want kill things that are big danger for me and well world destruction is bad for business so i will use everything to be in charge and to stay things that way...

So to stop the possibility of destruction by mages, you'll cause destruction on mages? This sounds awfully familiar. Oh yeah, Mass Effect's Reapers had the same idea.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 22 décembre 2013 - 08:35 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Komandor Im starting to think you want
to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you
want to get rid of mages less competition. 

No i want kill things that are big danger for me and well world destruction is bad for business so i will use everything to be in charge and to stay things that way...

So to stop the possibility of destruction by mages, you'll cause destruction on mages? This sounds awfully familiar. Oh yeah, Mass Effect's Reapers had the same idea.

No to stop peoples who will cause destruction of world what is rather very damn bad for my goals and business i will kill peoples who can cause it rather logical don't you think?

[Afro_Explosion]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Komandor Im starting to think you want
to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you
want to get rid of mages less competition. 

No i want kill things that are big danger for me and well world destruction is bad for business so i will use everything to be in charge and to stay things that way...

So to stop the possibility of destruction by mages, you'll cause destruction on mages? This sounds awfully familiar. Oh yeah, Mass Effect's Reapers had the same idea.

No to stop peoples who will cause destruction of world what is rather very damn bad for my goals and business i will kill peoples who can cause it rather logical don't you think?

But what if you cause the destruction of the world would you kill yourself

[Lord Raijin]

Mages are too sexy, and that is why they're hated on so much. We can easily take yer mundane women away at a snap of your our fingers because chicks dig spells and mages

[Lord Raijin]

All I want to do is.....



but instead of fitting in I want to do it in front of a bunch of Templars with the presence of Knight-Commander Meredith and Knight-Captain Cullen



and try to watch their reaction as they see a drunken naked mage mocking the Templar Order.

Theirs no way they could capture me, since the heavy armor would severely slow them down.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 décembre 2013 - 09:42 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Mages are too sexy, and that is why they're hated on so much. We can easily take yer mundane women away at a snap of your our fingers because chicks dig spells and mages

The thing with the electricity doesn't hurt either.

[Lord Raijin]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Mages are too sexy, and that is why they're hated on so much. We can easily take yer mundane women away at a snap of your our fingers because chicks dig spells and mages

The thing with the electricity doesn't hurt either.

Mages have dirty spells

[DKJaigen]

Veruin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The counter side to that is that due to being aware, the mage can also fight the demons back while those in the dream realm really can't.

The demons have no interest in the normal people.  I assume it works like those tranquil, they are invisible to the demons.  Even if they weren't, what incentive does a demon have for a non mage?  They know nothing of our world, so how would they know how politics work?  How would they even know if said person has a position of power and is not simply a farmer?

Actually demons have just as much interrest for normal people as mages. The fact that people create things for whatever reason is their drive to cross the fade mages are just portals in this. All people have desires and thats what a demon prays upon. Take for example DA2 companions to the fade and you see how easily the normal people fall prey to a demons temptations. 

Tranquil have no desire and no emotions and as such are of no use to a demon.

[DKJaigen]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Komandor Im starting to think you want
to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you
want to get rid of mages less competition. 

No i want kill things that are big danger for me and well world destruction is bad for business so i will use everything to be in charge and to stay things that way...

So to stop the possibility of destruction by mages, you'll cause destruction on mages? This sounds awfully familiar. Oh yeah, Mass Effect's Reapers had the same idea.

No to stop peoples who will cause destruction of world what is rather very damn bad for my goals and business i will kill peoples who can cause it rather logical don't you think?

It will change nothing.. demonic invasions , dragon flights and blights will happen regardless if you kill all mages. You are cutting your own hand because you fear papercuts. its not a wise course.

[Lord Raijin]

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The counter side to that is that due to being aware, the mage can also fight the demons back while those in the dream realm really can't.

The demons have no interest in the normal people.  I assume it works like those tranquil, they are invisible to the demons.  Even if they weren't, what incentive does a demon have for a non mage?  They know nothing of our world, so how would they know how politics work?  How would they even know if said person has a position of power and is not simply a farmer?

Actually demons have just as much interrest for normal people as mages. The fact that people create things for whatever reason is their drive to cross the fade mages are just portals in this. All people have desires and thats what a demon prays upon. Take for example DA2 companions to the fade and you see how easily the normal people fall prey to a demons temptations. 

Tranquil have no desire and no emotions and as such are of no use to a demon.

If normal people were forced to undergo the Harrowing to resist demonic tempation most would fail.

Demons want out of the fade and into the mortal world and would possse anyone, or anything  just to get out. Demons are even known to posssess cats! Anything with a beating heart can fall prey to demons.

[wolfhowwl]

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The counter side to that is that due to being aware, the mage can also fight the demons back while those in the dream realm really can't.

The demons have no interest in the normal people.  I assume it works like those tranquil, they are invisible to the demons.  Even if they weren't, what incentive does a demon have for a non mage?  They know nothing of our world, so how would they know how politics work?  How would they even know if said person has a position of power and is not simply a farmer?

Actually demons have just as much interrest for normal people as mages. The fact that people create things for whatever reason is their drive to cross the fade mages are just portals in this. All people have desires and thats what a demon prays upon. Take for example DA2 companions to the fade and you see how easily the normal people fall prey to a demons temptations. 

Tranquil have no desire and no emotions and as such are of no use to a demon.

Except they don't.

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Your conclusion is wrong and what you described is pure Chantry propaganda at it's very best. Mages and the "normals" can coexist with each other, and it's been proven in the game and in the novels. You just choose not to believe what you see. Oh well. If that is what you want your Dragon Age world to be then that's fine by me. I tend to stick with what was presented to me as the facts.

I could try to explain how, realistically, magic would affect a capitalist system and the type of society that would sprung from it but, quite frankly, you just wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand it and you're just plain rude.
So, I won't waste my time.

[EmperorSahlertz]

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The counter side to that is that due to being aware, the mage can also fight the demons back while those in the dream realm really can't.

The demons have no interest in the normal people.  I assume it works like those tranquil, they are invisible to the demons.  Even if they weren't, what incentive does a demon have for a non mage?  They know nothing of our world, so how would they know how politics work?  How would they even know if said person has a position of power and is not simply a farmer?

Actually demons have just as much interrest for normal people as mages. The fact that people create things for whatever reason is their drive to cross the fade mages are just portals in this. All people have desires and thats what a demon prays upon. Take for example DA2 companions to the fade and you see how easily the normal people fall prey to a demons temptations. 

Tranquil have no desire and no emotions and as such are of no use to a demon.

So whenever the lore says that the demons hold no interest in mundanes, it is lying to us? Good to know that your grasp of the lore is far greater than the creators of said lore...

[cjones91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The counter side to that is that due to being aware, the mage can also fight the demons back while those in the dream realm really can't.

The demons have no interest in the normal people.  I assume it works like those tranquil, they are invisible to the demons.  Even if they weren't, what incentive does a demon have for a non mage?  They know nothing of our world, so how would they know how politics work?  How would they even know if said person has a position of power and is not simply a farmer?

Actually demons have just as much interrest for normal people as mages. The fact that people create things for whatever reason is their drive to cross the fade mages are just portals in this. All people have desires and thats what a demon prays upon. Take for example DA2 companions to the fade and you see how easily the normal people fall prey to a demons temptations. 

Tranquil have no desire and no emotions and as such are of no use to a demon.

So whenever the lore says that the demons hold no interest in mundanes, it is lying to us? Good to know that your grasp of the lore is far greater than the creators of said lore...

The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Your conclusion is wrong and what you described is pure Chantry propaganda at it's very best. Mages and the "normals" can coexist with each other, and it's been proven in the game and in the novels. You just choose not to believe what you see. Oh well. If that is what you want your Dragon Age world to be then that's fine by me. I tend to stick with what was presented to me as the facts.

I could try to explain how, realistically, magic would affect a capitalist system and the type of society that would sprung from it but, quite frankly, you just wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand it and you're just plain rude.
So, I won't waste my time.

How would magic effect a capitalist society when the top elite already rule everything anyways?If mages try to uproot the noble elite then they will be subjugated like before in order to kill the competition.

[EmperorSahlertz]

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 22 décembre 2013 - 11:59 .

[cjones91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

The explain why Sophia Dryden was possessed if demons had no interest in mundanes?Or Lady Herriman for that matter?Demons don't care how they get into the mortal world as long as they get there so anyone and anything can be possessed.

[EmperorSahlertz]

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

The explain why Sophia Dryden was possessed if demons had no interest in mundanes?Or Lady Herriman for that matter?Demons don't care how they get into the mortal world as long as they get there so anyone and anything can be possessed.

For the same reason that Wolves, Bears, Spiders, Trees, Rocks, and anything you can possible imagine, would get possesed by a demon. because it allows them to witness the world through mortal eyes. However, as I said a mundane holds no more interest for a demon than a tree, an ant, or a corpse.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
How would magic effect a capitalist society when the top elite already rule everything anyways?If mages try to uproot the noble elite then they will be subjugated like before in order to kill the competition.

They wouldn't need to uproot anyone; if magic controls the infrastructure, then it doesn't matter what the nobles call themselves. We've all heard of governments being toppled but when was the last time people revolted against electricity?

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 décembre 2013 - 12:11 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
How would magic effect a capitalist society when the top elite already rule everything anyways?If mages try to uproot the noble elite then they will be subjugated like before in order to kill the competition.

They wouldn't need to uproot anyone; if magic controls the infrastructure, then it doesn't matter what the nobles call themselves. We've all heard of governments being toppled but when was the last time people revolted against electricity?

The Amish? 

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 décembre 2013 - 12:13 .

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
How would magic effect a capitalist society when the top elite already rule everything anyways?If mages try to uproot the noble elite then they will be subjugated like before in order to kill the competition.

They wouldn't need to uproot anyone; if magic controls the infrastructure, then it doesn't matter what the nobles call themselves. We've all heard of governments being toppled but when was the last time people revolted against electricity?

True,but since there's already a stigma against magic I don't believe mages will be allowed to control certain parts of society and would be crushed if they tried.

[Reaverwind]

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

The explain why Sophia Dryden was possessed if demons had no interest in mundanes?Or Lady Herriman for that matter?Demons don't care how they get into the mortal world as long as they get there so anyone and anything can be possessed.

Sophia was possessed by a demon that had already been pulled across the veil by a mage. Lady Hariman was a mage.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 23 décembre 2013 - 12:17 .

[cjones91]

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

The explain why Sophia Dryden was possessed if demons had no interest in mundanes?Or Lady Herriman for that matter?Demons don't care how they get into the mortal world as long as they get there so anyone and anything can be possessed.

She was possessed by a demon that had already been pulled across the veil by a mage. Lady Hariman was a mage.

Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.