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[Reaverwind]

cjones91 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

The explain why Sophia Dryden was possessed if demons had no interest in mundanes?Or Lady Herriman for that matter?Demons don't care how they get into the mortal world as long as they get there so anyone and anything can be possessed.

She was possessed by a demon that had already been pulled across the veil by a mage. Lady Hariman was a mage.

Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.

Lady Hariman simply did a better job of hiding.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...
Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.

Ummm, we watched her use blood magic to attack you?

[cjones91]

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The demons are interested in non mages...however mages are a much better target.

So in all those thousands of years where the demons have held NO INTEREST AT ALL in mundanes, has just been them warming up to the idea? No... That is not the reason. Mages are the only living beings that hold any particular interest for the demons. The only other thing the demons care about is BEING in the physical world, but they don't care about wether it is in a living being, a rock or a corpse, as long as they are in the physical world. But mundanes holds no particular interest for demons, beyond the same interest a normal rock would hold for them.

The explain why Sophia Dryden was possessed if demons had no interest in mundanes?Or Lady Herriman for that matter?Demons don't care how they get into the mortal world as long as they get there so anyone and anything can be possessed.

She was possessed by a demon that had already been pulled across the veil by a mage. Lady Hariman was a mage.

Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.

Lady Hariman simply did a better job of hiding.

Maybe,but there still would've been rumors.The Amells lost everything because the Amell Warden and his/her siblings were born, so there should've been some questions asked if Lady Herriman was a mage who had no training that then went on a rampage as a abomination.

[cjones91]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.

Ummm, we watched her use blood magic to attack you?

Blood Magic comes from demons though,so the Desire Demon that possessed Lady Herriman could've easily channelled it's power through her.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.

Ummm, we watched her use blood magic to attack you?

Blood Magic comes from demons though,so the Desire Demon that possessed Lady Herriman could've easily channelled it's power through her.

She wasn't possessed though. We see her appear alongside the demon.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lady Hariman wasn't possessed..

[Reaverwind]

cjones91 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Lady Hariman simply did a better job of hiding.

Maybe,but there still would've been rumors.The Amells lost everything because the Amell Warden and his/her siblings were born, so there should've been some questions asked if Lady Herriman was a mage who had no training that then went on a rampage as a abomination.

Rumors can be easily squashed with the right connections.

[MisterJB]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
The Amish? 

The Amish are not exactly in a position where they could end the hold supercorporations have on society.
It's a good thing the Lucrosians are such a small fraternity or there would be no stopping them.

[cjones91]

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Lady Hariman simply did a better job of hiding.

Maybe,but there still would've been rumors.The Amells lost everything because the Amell Warden and his/her siblings were born, so there should've been some questions asked if Lady Herriman was a mage who had no training that then went on a rampage as a abomination.

Rumors can be easily squashed with the right connections.

Not if the templars hear of them,it would be hard to hide the fact that a noblewoman became a abomination in the middle of HighTown.

[lil yonce]

MisterJB wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
The Amish? 

The Amish are not exactly in a position where they could end the hold supercorporations have on society.
It's a good thing the Lucrosians are such a small fraternity or there would be no stopping them.

I really hope they control the Nevarran circle.

[cjones91]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Where was it mentioned that Lady Herriman was a mage?Because if that's true then there should be some sort of scandal just like with what happened to the Amells.

Ummm, we watched her use blood magic to attack you?

Blood Magic comes from demons though,so the Desire Demon that possessed Lady Herriman could've easily channelled it's power through her.

She wasn't possessed though. We see her appear alongside the demon.

There are multiple ways of possessing someone,a demon could control someone from the Fade as was the case with Connor,they could subtly manipulate the possessed without taking full control and so on.

[Reaverwind]

cjones91 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Lady Hariman simply did a better job of hiding.

Maybe,but there still would've been rumors.The Amells lost everything because the Amell Warden and his/her siblings were born, so there should've been some questions asked if Lady Herriman was a mage who had no training that then went on a rampage as a abomination.

Rumors can be easily squashed with the right connections.

Not if the templars hear of them,it would be hard to hide the fact that a noblewoman became a abomination in the middle of HighTown.

Quite true - it's how Meredith's sister and Connor were finally both caught (sadly at the cost of the lives of others). However, Lady Hariman was not an abomination - instead she pulled a Wilhelm.

[The Baconer]

Youth4Ever wrote...
I really hope they control the Nevarran circle.

Nevarran mages are their own political faction in a sense.

[SeekerOfLight]

I think that templars have a neccessary role in DA universe but, IMO, I think the circle system is inherently faulty.

#1. The harrowing - If you aren't powerful enough or you get tricked you die or get lobotomized. Put yourself in that situation what do you do. Also not effective e.g. Uldred was a senior enchanter

#2. The templars and chantry are the be and end all of all authority for mages. There is no other official ways for them to vent their grievances.

#3. Mages are essentially treated as criminals, even though the only crime they've commited is being born. The chantry creates a self fulfilling prophecy, where they treat their charges as all potential bloodmages, who then turn to blood magic because they feel they have no other options. (imo, I think that would be dumb and really shortsided, but eh)

like I said before I think that templars have a role in safeguarding the world from mages, but the Circle as an institution needs to be reorganised.

[lil yonce]

The Baconer wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
I really hope they control the Nevarran circle.

Nevarran mages are their own political faction in a sense.

Oh, yes, I know. They sound like the most interesting mages outside Tevinter. I'm interested in their wealth, influence and how they gained it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

helo89 wrote...

I think that templars have a neccessary role in DA universe but, IMO, I think the circle system is inherently faulty.

#1. The harrowing - If you aren't powerful enough or you get tricked you die or get lobotomized. Put yourself in that situation what do you do. Also not effective e.g. Uldred was a senior enchanter

#2. The templars and chantry are the be and end all of all authority for mages. There is no other official ways for them to vent their grievances.

#3. Mages are essentially treated as criminals, even though the only crime they've commited is being born. The chantry creates a self fulfilling prophecy, where they treat their charges as all potential bloodmages, who then turn to blood magic because they feel they have no other options. (imo, I think that would be dumb and really shortsided, but eh)

like I said before I think that templars have a role in safeguarding the world from mages, but the Circle as an institution needs to be reorganised.

I agree wholeheartedly. Hopefully during the war, you have the option to reorganize the syatem. I mean, the old one is practically completely gone at this point, with the Circles, Templars, and Seekers breasking from the Chantry.

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Your conclusion is wrong and what you described is pure Chantry propaganda at it's very best. Mages and the "normals" can coexist with each other, and it's been proven in the game and in the novels. You just choose not to believe what you see. Oh well. If that is what you want your Dragon Age world to be then that's fine by me. I tend to stick with what was presented to me as the facts.

I could try to explain how, realistically, magic would affect a capitalist system and the type of society that would sprung from it but, quite frankly, you just wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand it and you're just plain rude.
So, I won't waste my time.

No need to waste your time explaining your logic to me because I understood your previous post nice and clearly. I just choose to disagree with your logic. And as far as me being rude I've never once called you names nor question your "Mental capacity". The one who’s being rude is you. Perhaps you can't tolerate people disagreeing with you, and so you think they have some kind of mental deficiency for not having similar logic to yours.

[Hazegurl]

MisterJB wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
The Amish? 

The Amish are not exactly in a position where they could end the hold supercorporations have on society.
It's a good thing the Lucrosians are such a small fraternity or there would be no stopping them.

Pretty much. The real reason why Mages have been oppressed for so long is because the vast majority of them are stupid.

[lil yonce]

Hazegurl wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
The Amish? 

The Amish are not exactly in a position where they could end the hold supercorporations have on society.
It's a good thing the Lucrosians are such a small fraternity or there would be no stopping them.

Pretty much. The real reason why Mages have been oppressed for so long is because the vast majority of them are stupid.

@Hazegurl; Your mage and my mage, man, they'd get it done right. 

[Master Warder Z_]

The Baconer wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
It's the final solution to this problem as far as i am concerned or at least it was in hindsight at least.

It couldn't be final, because mages will still be born. From what we know, only mundaneness is potentially curable, at least for humans, elves, and qunari.

Oh but that's the beauty of it; The Tranquil Solution isn't in effect the final solution it however IS a method to avoid the war that now plagues thedas hence my point. I never claimed it was a permenant solution, i do however strongly believe that had it been implented had i suggested, even if there had been "rebellion" there wouldn't have been the same situation the world now finds it self within.

Namely because the entirity of those leading the present rebellion would either be dead or tranqui.

A True Final solution would involve say...Completely removing Thedas if not the entire world from the Fade in some sort of Deus ex Temporal Bubble reality.

Thus negating Mages to a bygone era when magic was actually interacting in the world.

[Afro_Explosion]

Master Warder Z wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
It's the final solution to this problem as far as i am concerned or at least it was in hindsight at least.

It couldn't be final, because mages will still be born. From what we know, only mundaneness is potentially curable, at least for humans, elves, and qunari.

Oh but that's the beauty of it; The Tranquil Solution isn't in effect the final solution it however IS a method to avoid the war that now plagues thedas hence my point. I never claimed it was a permenant solution, i do however strongly believe that had it been implented had i suggested, even if there had been "rebellion" there wouldn't have been the same situation the world now finds it self within.

Namely because the entirity of those leading the present rebellion would either be dead or tranqui.

A True Final solution would involve say...Completely removing Thedas if not the entire world from the Fade in some sort of Deus ex Temporal Bubble reality.

Thus negating Mages to a bygone era when magic was actually interacting in the world.

I think Freud has something to say about your issues with magic and mages.

[Master Warder Z_]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
It's the final solution to this problem as far as i am concerned or at least it was in hindsight at least.

It couldn't be final, because mages will still be born. From what we know, only mundaneness is potentially curable, at least for humans, elves, and qunari.

Oh but that's the beauty of it; The Tranquil Solution isn't in effect the final solution it however IS a method to avoid the war that now plagues thedas hence my point. I never claimed it was a permenant solution, i do however strongly believe that had it been implented had i suggested, even if there had been "rebellion" there wouldn't have been the same situation the world now finds it self within.

Namely because the entirity of those leading the present rebellion would either be dead or tranqui.

A True Final solution would involve say...Completely removing Thedas if not the entire world from the Fade in some sort of Deus ex Temporal Bubble reality.

Thus negating Mages to a bygone era when magic was actually interacting in the world.

I think Freud has something to say about your issues with magic and mages.

The guy had it made, His idea's could be completely off base and he would merely claim you were repressing said feelings.

He had a perfect little scheme i think.

But honestly he wasn't much good for his medical field.

[Medhia Nox]

@Master Warder Z: "Medical" field.. hah, cold reading psychics give the same basic advice as those witch doctors in suits we call psychiatrists.

Now, if only we could license psychics to fund the pharma industry.

[TheKomandorShepard]

mx_keep13 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Komandor Im starting to think you want
to kill everyone then rule the world from their ashes, thats why you
want to get rid of mages less competition. 

No i want kill things that are big danger for me and well world destruction is bad for business so i will use everything to be in charge and to stay things that way...

So to stop the possibility of destruction by mages, you'll cause destruction on mages? This sounds awfully familiar. Oh yeah, Mass Effect's Reapers had the same idea.

No to stop peoples who will cause destruction of world what is rather very damn bad for my goals and business i will kill peoples who can cause it rather logical don't you think?

But what if you cause the destruction of the world would you kill yourself

As far i remember inquisitor isn't doomsday and can't destroy everything unlike mages who proved more than few times that their action can be destructive for environmental even if mage isn't abomnation.

DKJaigen wrote...

It
will change nothing.. demonic invasions , dragon flights and blights
will happen regardless if you kill all mages. You are cutting your own
hand because you fear papercuts. its not a wise course.

No demonic invasions won't happen as veil need be open and are 3 ways to demon could get to thedas
easy-possess mages
very easy-summon them and than only mage can do
extremely difficult-cross veil that can be weakened in 2 ways
very easy-by mages
very hard-by wars

Dragons as far i remember most was choped by non-mages and few survived mostly doing nothing...

Blight yes but thanks to mages and well lets say that use nuke to night with monsters that were created by nuclear explosion isn't very smart idea

So no mages are no hand starting from their pathetic combat skills ending on that they are nukes that will hurt only me so nope
advantage<<<<<<<disadvantage even tranquil at ostagar said that. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 23 décembre 2013 - 04:51 .

[SeekerOfLight]

Quick question. Can the tranquil leave the circles? since technically they aren't mages anymore.