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[dragonflight288]

almostinsane99 wrote...

And idiocy and magic doesn't mix well.

Agreed, although idiocy and anything else don't mix well either.

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Wether or not she was a mage, doesn't change the fact that she was almost possessed, by a demon summoned by her grandfather.

And said demons was successfully sealed away until Amalia idiotically ran down there (and her father cowardly refused to go after her.)

Personally I think he should've just killed the demon the moment he figured it was too dangerous to continue studying, as per his journal.

Nevertheless. Danger was brought on his family, as a direct result of him being a mage.

Not really. Danger was brought upon his family as a direct result of him being an idiot.

A mundane can't summon demons and do idiotic experiments on them. Wether you like it or not, the danger WIlhelm put his family in, was a direct result of his magic. Wilhelm is a good example of why mages need to be confined, and kept from raising their own families.

[DKJaigen]

The Hierophant wrote...

A demon randomly possessing the body of a child/adolescent girl with no magical or martial training who then killed 70 villagers in an unknown timeframe, versus 47 knights who had training and prep along with 4 months to rack up their kill count.

There's something off with that comparison?

That the damage an abomination and human can do seems to be somewhat equal dont you think. Emperor tells me abominations can wipe out entire cities yet he fails to deliver the proof. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Wether or not she was a mage, doesn't change the fact that she was almost possessed, by a demon summoned by her grandfather.

And said demons was successfully sealed away until Amalia idiotically ran down there (and her father cowardly refused to go after her.)

Personally I think he should've just killed the demon the moment he figured it was too dangerous to continue studying, as per his journal.

Nevertheless. Danger was brought on his family, as a direct result of him being a mage.

Not really. Danger was brought upon his family as a direct result of him being an idiot.

A mundane can't summon demons and do idiotic experiments on them. Wether you like it or not, the danger WIlhelm put his family in, was a direct result of his magic. Wilhelm is a good example of why mages need to be confined, and kept from raising their own families.

Knowing your enemy is the very foundation of military stratergy . that the chantry and the templars have banned this research forced mages to these clandestine experiments. and i cannot blame them. if i was a mage t would be my lives work to make completely immune to demons chantry and templars be damned.
if they had been more open minded the templars  could have avoided perhaps corruption and not become demon loving red templars .

Magic is a natural occurence . do i blame nature for when a storm hits and destroys my house? no i should have known their are storm in that area and build a stronger house. when some pencil pusher says i cannot build a stronger house then i will get really prissy. And si i blame the templars for their  corruption and incompetence and worse they have betrayed eveything they once stood for.

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

A human can do the same thing so once again im not impressed. I want proof that their are abominations out their that only need to snap their fingers to make an entire city disappear. then you have a point untill then i no longer consider locking the mages up for some minor damage some  abominations create a vaild argument.

[EmperorSahlertz]

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

A human can do the same thing so once again im not impressed. I want proof that their are abominations out their that only need to snap their fingers to make an entire city disappear. then you have a point untill then i no longer consider locking the mages up for some minor damage some  abominations create a vaild argument.

A human can turn a multithousand population city into a giant orgy?...... Yeah.... No... He can't.

[dragonflight288]

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

A human can do the same thing so once again im not impressed. I want proof that their are abominations out their that only need to snap their fingers to make an entire city disappear. then you have a point untill then i no longer consider locking the mages up for some minor damage some  abominations create a vaild argument.

So...you're asking for something similar to this?

[Star fury]

The Hierophant wrote...

They're
either too poor to make the trip or they despise their children like
Jowan's mom, but for Jowan's case i have a suspicion that his mom hates
him for being a colossal screw up.

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'd hate Jowan too if he was my son.

LMAO. Even his girlfriend hates him.

Modifié par Star fury, 24 octobre 2013 - 08:09 .

[The Hierophant]

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

A demon randomly possessing the body of a child/adolescent girl with no magical or martial training who then killed 70 villagers in an unknown timeframe, versus 47 knights who had training and prep along with 4 months to rack up their kill count.

There's something off with that comparison?

That the damage an abomination and human can do seems to be somewhat equal dont you think. Emperor tells me abominations can wipe out entire cities yet he fails to deliver the proof. 

Not really as an abomination has easy access to magic. Unless a human is prepped with explosives, then their levels of destruction is incomparable.

I don't know about them nuking an entire city but an abomination can potentially life wipe it's entire population by summoning more demons.Redcliffe is lucky that the demon only raised the undead instead of pulling an Uldred/Avernus on the town.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 24 octobre 2013 - 08:40 .

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

A human can do the same thing so once again im not impressed. I want proof that their are abominations out their that only need to snap their fingers to make an entire city disappear. then you have a point untill then i no longer consider locking the mages up for some minor damage some  abominations create a vaild argument.

A human can turn a multithousand population city into a giant orgy?...... Yeah.... No... He can't.

Yeah they can. not common today but look up on the cult of bacchus or Dionysus. those romans and greeks really knew how to party.  such cults still exist today on a smaller scale.

[DKJaigen]

The Hierophant wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

A demon randomly possessing the body of a child/adolescent girl with no magical or martial training who then killed 70 villagers in an unknown timeframe, versus 47 knights who had training and prep along with 4 months to rack up their kill count.

There's something off with that comparison?

That the damage an abomination and human can do seems to be somewhat equal dont you think. Emperor tells me abominations can wipe out entire cities yet he fails to deliver the proof. 

Not really as the abomination has easy access to magic. Unless a human is prepped with explosives than the level of destruction incomparable.

I don't know about them nuking an entire city but an abomination can potentially life wipe it's entire population by summoning more demons.Redcliffe is lucky that the demon only raised the undead instead of pulling an Uldred/Avernus on the town.

still not impressed even with magic. also many abominations are not using their magic

[DKJaigen]

dragonflight288 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

A human can do the same thing so once again im not impressed. I want proof that their are abominations out their that only need to snap their fingers to make an entire city disappear. then you have a point untill then i no longer consider locking the mages up for some minor damage some  abominations create a vaild argument.

So...you're asking for something similar to this?

yeah that would make pro templar supporters case a bit more believable dont you think?

[The Hierophant]

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

A demon randomly possessing the body of a child/adolescent girl with no magical or martial training who then killed 70 villagers in an unknown timeframe, versus 47 knights who had training and prep along with 4 months to rack up their kill count.

There's something off with that comparison?

That the damage an abomination and human can do seems to be somewhat equal dont you think. Emperor tells me abominations can wipe out entire cities yet he fails to deliver the proof. 

Not really as the abomination has easy access to magic. Unless a human is prepped with explosives than the level of destruction incomparable.

I don't know about them nuking an entire city but an abomination can potentially life wipe it's entire population by summoning more demons.Redcliffe is lucky that the demon only raised the undead instead of pulling an Uldred/Avernus on the town.

still not impressed even with magic. also many abominations are not using their magic

That's gameplay and story segregation while the Arcane Horrors and Revenants are only possessed corpses, not abominations.

[DKJaigen]

The Hierophant wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

A demon randomly possessing the body of a child/adolescent girl with no magical or martial training who then killed 70 villagers in an unknown timeframe, versus 47 knights who had training and prep along with 4 months to rack up their kill count.

There's something off with that comparison?

That the damage an abomination and human can do seems to be somewhat equal dont you think. Emperor tells me abominations can wipe out entire cities yet he fails to deliver the proof. 

Not really as the abomination has easy access to magic. Unless a human is prepped with explosives than the level of destruction incomparable.

I don't know about them nuking an entire city but an abomination can potentially life wipe it's entire population by summoning more demons.Redcliffe is lucky that the demon only raised the undead instead of pulling an Uldred/Avernus on the town.

still not impressed even with magic. also many abominations are not using their magic

That's gameplay and story segregation while the Arcane Horrors and Revenants are only possessed corpses, not abominations.

strange that they only apply it to abominations not?

[The Hierophant]

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

A demon randomly possessing the body of a child/adolescent girl with no magical or martial training who then killed 70 villagers in an unknown timeframe, versus 47 knights who had training and prep along with 4 months to rack up their kill count.

There's something off with that comparison?

That the damage an abomination and human can do seems to be somewhat equal dont you think. Emperor tells me abominations can wipe out entire cities yet he fails to deliver the proof. 

Not really as the abomination has easy access to magic. Unless a human is prepped with explosives than the level of destruction incomparable.

I don't know about them nuking an entire city but an abomination can potentially life wipe it's entire population by summoning more demons.Redcliffe is lucky that the demon only raised the undead instead of pulling an Uldred/Avernus on the town.

still not impressed even with magic. also many abominations are not using their magic

That's gameplay and story segregation while the Arcane Horrors and Revenants are only possessed corpses, not abominations.

strange that they only apply it to abominations not?

Meh it's probably a balance issue.

[DKJaigen]

I'm not convinced. the could have chosen from other supernatural enemies like skeletons and standard demons but abominations in the tower are just normal mooks like the rest of them. perhaps the chantry is just wrong and that their assessment of abominations is simply false in order to justify their control on the mages

[Br3admax]

Why should they? As if four people could possibly take on things that entire platoons cannot logically. Why should they think about anything?

[Reaverwind]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think the more likely theory is that the level designers didn't put much thought into what enemies you fought in Origins and DA2.

I really hope they rethink their design in DA:I - abominations need to be challenging enemies, not trash mobs.

[The Hierophant]

DKJaigen wrote...

I'm not convinced. the could have chosen from other supernatural enemies like skeletons and standard demons but abominations in the tower are just normal mooks like the rest of them. perhaps the chantry is just wrong and that their assessment of abominations is simply false in order to justify their control on the mages

Mind you they murderstomped  the Circle of Magi minus Wynne into submission. The abominations (living mage) being unable to use magic while an Arcane Horror (mage corpse) can is inconsistent.

Combine that with the implication that the combat prowess of the PC and their companions isn't standard for the DA verse, while the in combat feats of tanking  arrows, explosions, and sword slashes contradict the story/lore. 


In short it's full on gameplay and story segregation.

[dragonflight288]

DKJaigen wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I've delivered plenty proof. Dragon Age Legends entire prelude is about a Pride Abomination tearing a Free Marcher city apart in a flod of hedonism. Besides, it isn't me who pointed out Abominations can destroy cities. Even though I do agree with that statement, since the lore itself clearly states it to be so.

A human can do the same thing so once again im not impressed. I want proof that their are abominations out their that only need to snap their fingers to make an entire city disappear. then you have a point untill then i no longer consider locking the mages up for some minor damage some  abominations create a vaild argument.

So...you're asking for something similar to this?

yeah that would make pro templar supporters case a bit more believable dont you think?

It would. Especially if the Inquisitor faced one of those terrible "Greater Pride Demons" or maybe even a demon more powerful in the hierarchy....

Until then, we simply don't have the case that calls abominations the great terrors the Chantry portrays them to be. It's always a tragedy, shame, or something similar when it does happen, and it always has negative consequences for the mage and all those around him/her, and some abominations are very dangerous beings who need to be put down as soon as possible because of the threat they pose, but not one demon that we've seen in the games, read in the books or comics come close to the Great Pride Demons that is discussed in the lore.

On the other hand, I have no doubt that these extremely powerful demons do exist, but the odds of them coming through are also extremely rare. More often than not, it's demons of rage, sloth or hunger who come through, occasionally desire, and rarely pride.

EDIT: The chance of seeing these demons in action, however, has risen significantly with the big hole in the sky.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 24 octobre 2013 - 10:59 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]DKJaigen wrote...

70 people is nothing considering it killed people without training or equipment. during the hundred year war 47 british knights and men at arms managed to sack over 50 villages killing several thousand perhaps even ten thousand peasants in a timeframe of 4 months . that abomination isnt impressing me. [/quote]


If the knight is on foot and in the open perhaps. on horseback peasants really dont have a chance. how do you think the medieval nobility kept their people in line despite that the peasants consisted of nearly 95% of the people? [/quote]

Ha. You are vastly overestimating the knight here (and the average population fo a medieval village).
You ever heard of godendag?



[quote]
then the templars are ****ing idiots for putting the mages in one spot. [/quote]

Not really, since there is always enough templars present to kill the abomination immediately.


[quote]
Templars for the most part are ignorant idiots with no real understanding of magic. also when was the last time a greater pride demon has shown up? how CAN the templars know its power? I how can the templars even fight the damn thing if they failed so epicly at the fereldan tower?
[/quote]

They didn't FAIL.
If anything Greagoir was too lenient and that is why Uldred managed to surprise them. Abominations are dangerous. The tempalrs kept them locked till reinforcements came. That is not a faliure.

How can templars know? From past record and experience of odler templars. And from mages.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]DKJaigen wrote...
Knowing your enemy is the very foundation of military stratergy . that the chantry and the templars have banned this research forced mages to these clandestine experiments. and i cannot blame them. if i was a mage t would be my lives work to make completely immune to demons chantry and templars be damned.
if they had been more open minded the templars  could have avoided perhaps corruption and not become demon loving red templars . [/qutoe]

False. The Chantry doesn't ban research.
It rightfully restricts is, as it is dangerous.


[quote]
Magic is a natural occurence . do i blame nature for when a storm hits and destroys my house? no i should have known their are storm in that area and build a stronger house. when some pencil pusher says i cannot build a stronger house then i will get really prissy. And si i blame the templars for their  corruption and incompetence and worse they have betrayed eveything they once stood for.
[/quote]

So is a virus. Or a sickness.
So please, stick to your principle and do not take medicine and do not inforce a quarantene. Ever.