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[dragonflight288]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
Until then, we simply don't have the case that calls abominations the great terrors the Chantry portrays them to be. It's always a tragedy, shame, or something similar when it does happen, and it always has negative consequences for the mage and all those around him/her, and some abominations are very dangerous beings who need to be put down as soon as possible because of the threat they pose, but not one demon that we've seen in the games, read in the books or comics come close to the Great Pride Demons that is discussed in the lore.

I think part of the reason is that it would then be impossible for the player party to kill it.
Unfortunately there is a big problem with having the player be badass and give him his power fantasy, and respecting lore.

The only way I can think of to do this would have the player leading an army agaisnt it.

Or maybe they are so rare, that next to no one ever hears about them outside of legend.

Unless Flemeth is one herself.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

[dragonflight288]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

God, now I really want to meet one. Hopefully we get converse with one such creature before attempting to slay it. However, considering how strong they supposedly are, I would think the best we could do is seal it away or banish it. I would find that a more interesting boss battle. Try to figure out how to seal or banish it before it kills you and and your party members.

[Lord Raijin]

Thought I share my meme on this thread



I feel that it is important for both Mages and Templars to co-exist with each other. When a Templar struggles during battle Mages are obligated to give a helping hand to his fellow man. It is the Makers will to do so. It is also the duty of the Templars to aid a struggling mage, and to protect them from dangers that awaits them.

I hope in DAI that this could very well happen if you play as a mage.

[Br3admax]

Then they can blow up churches together, yes?

[Lord Raijin]

Br3ad wrote...

Then they can blow up churches together, yes?

Why not? The Chantry screwed the Templars just as much as they try to control the mages. They intentionally get their Templars addicted on lyrium, and then starts to control them with it. You do what the Chantry says and you get your fix... if you don't you get kicked out and are forced to go through withdrawl alone. Either way the Chantry is the enemy whereas the Templars are just the Chantries pawns.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 25 octobre 2013 - 06:07 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

Indeed. But also remember that BioWare has said that Pride Demons aren't even the most powerful demons out there, and that they will introduce a "Despair Demon" in this game, which supposedly should be the most powerful demons out there. I think that is a clear indicator that the giant veil tear, is a very bad thing for Thedas..

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

I'm not convinced. the could have chosen from other supernatural enemies like skeletons and standard demons but abominations in the tower are just normal mooks like the rest of them. perhaps the chantry is just wrong and that their assessment of abominations is simply false in order to justify their control on the mages

Or perhaps you're just obtuse and refuse to acknowledge the obviosu truth.

The lead writer tells you they didn't do a good job of showing off how dangerous abonition are. The developers acknoledge the disparity between lore/fluff and gameplay.
And yet you still deny it.

Quote him then before i believe anything you tell me. But my mind is made up the templar order needs to be purged in my playthrough because the red templars exist. their hasnt been a greater threat to humanity since they have arrived exceeding even the blights and qunuari invasions. Since their corruption is tied to lyrium i will kill the chantry loyalist as well just to be safe.

http://social.biowar.../index/17392867

He mentioned it on multiple occasions, so there should be more of hiss quotes ongameplay-story segragation.

Nice to know that your mind is alredy made up and any evidnce or fact is useless. Because you already have all the fact. The ones you made up.


Red temaplrs a worsethreat than the Blight or Demons?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  There aren't enough FORL smileys in hte world.

are you going to whine again when your proven wrong?

Modifié par DKJaigen, 25 octobre 2013 - 06:14 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Then they can blow up churches together, yes?

Why not? The Chantry screwed the Templars just as much as they try to control the mages. They intentionally get their Templars addicted on lyrium, and then starts to control them with it. You do what the Chantry says and you get your fix... if you don't you get kicked out and are forced to go through withdrawl alone. Either way the Chantry is the enemy whereas the Templars are just the Chantries pawns.

Could you at least TRY to know what youre talking about?

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

Indeed. But also remember that BioWare has said that Pride Demons aren't even the most powerful demons out there, and that they will introduce a "Despair Demon" in this game, which supposedly should be the most powerful demons out there. I think that is a clear indicator that the giant veil tear, is a very bad thing for Thedas..

Agreed. I feel that an emotion like despair will be quite rampant in the hearts of people in Thedas, making it ripe for these new demons. God, I wanna know what they would look like...

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Then they can blow up churches together, yes?

Why not? The Chantry screwed the Templars just as much as they try to control the mages. They intentionally get their Templars addicted on lyrium, and then starts to control them with it. You do what the Chantry says and you get your fix... if you don't you get kicked out and are forced to go through withdrawl alone. Either way the Chantry is the enemy whereas the Templars are just the Chantries pawns.

Could you at least TRY to know what youre talking about?

And pray tell what exactly did he get wrong? Some of his words are an opinion, yes, but LordRaijin didn't get any of the facts wrong. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

DKJaigen wrote...
are you going to whine again when your proven wrong?

When?

In other words, you cannot prove me wrong, got nothing to support your claims, but put your hopes in some future, hypothetical proof?

I just proven you wrong bub. Truth from the horses mouth. Take your defeat gracefully.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Chantry doesn't give the Lyrium to Templars to control them, the Tempalrs need the Lyrium to develop and maintain their skills.

[Medhia Nox]

Do we know they purposefully get them addicted?

You need lyrium to become a Templar yes?

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Chantry doesn't give the Lyrium to Templars to control them, the Tempalrs need the Lyrium to develop and maintain their skills.

While Templars do need lyrium to use their abilities, yes, I am just saying that it is not a stretch to say that SOME in the Chantry, not all, use this addiction to lyrium to manipulate the Order.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Do we know they purposefully get them addicted?

You need lyrium to become a Templar yes?

I am not saying that all people in the Chantry are trying to control the Templars. I am just saying that is not much of a stretch to say that SOME people in Chantry could use the lyrium addiction to their own personal advantage.

[The Hierophant]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

Indeed. But also remember that BioWare has said that Pride Demons aren't even the most powerful demons out there, and that they will introduce a "Despair Demon" in this game, which supposedly should be the most powerful demons out there. I think that is a clear indicator that the giant veil tear, is a very bad thing for Thedas..

I can't see any mortal society thriving before the veil was erected. It makes Sandal's prophecy seem apocalyptic in tone now.

[Hellion Rex]

The Hierophant wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

Indeed. But also remember that BioWare has said that Pride Demons aren't even the most powerful demons out there, and that they will introduce a "Despair Demon" in this game, which supposedly should be the most powerful demons out there. I think that is a clear indicator that the giant veil tear, is a very bad thing for Thedas..

I can't see any mortal society thriving before the veil was erected. It makes Sandal's prophecy seem apocalyptic in tone now.

And yet, Yavanna referenced such a world, "when dragons ruled the skies."

[Medhia Nox]

Oh man, if Dragon Age goes post apocalyptic... I'd be a very happy gamer.

[Lord Raijin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Then they can blow up churches together, yes?

Why not? The Chantry screwed the Templars just as much as they try to control the mages. They intentionally get their Templars addicted on lyrium, and then starts to control them with it. You do what the Chantry says and you get your fix... if you don't you get kicked out and are forced to go through withdrawl alone. Either way the Chantry is the enemy whereas the Templars are just the Chantries pawns.

Could you at least TRY to know what youre talking about?

I do know what I'm talking about Lyrium addiction... apparently you do not... other than to make a total fool out of yourself in public by posting meme that actually reference to you, and not I.

[Reaverwind]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Oh man, if Dragon Age goes post apocalyptic... I'd be a very happy gamer.

I'd rather not see another Fallout.

[The Hierophant]

eluvianix wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

Indeed. But also remember that BioWare has said that Pride Demons aren't even the most powerful demons out there, and that they will introduce a "Despair Demon" in this game, which supposedly should be the most powerful demons out there. I think that is a clear indicator that the giant veil tear, is a very bad thing for Thedas..

I can't see any mortal society thriving before the veil was erected. It makes Sandal's prophecy seem apocalyptic in tone now.

And yet, Yavanna referenced such a world, "when dragons ruled the skies."

I imagine the demons ruled the surface.

Can you picture a greater pride demon soaring through the sky in a sleigh made from people that's being pulled by high dragons?

[Hellion Rex]

The Hierophant wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the thing about Greater Pride DEmons are that they are so powerful, that the amount of magical power required to bring it across the Veil, is a theoretical improbability. However, it would seem mages have encountered these Pride Demons in the Fade, or at least felt their influence there.

That's a good point, and would do a great deal to explain their existence in the lore when their presence has never been felt in-game.

But with that big hole in the sky, the chances of meeting one have just gone up.

Indeed. But also remember that BioWare has said that Pride Demons aren't even the most powerful demons out there, and that they will introduce a "Despair Demon" in this game, which supposedly should be the most powerful demons out there. I think that is a clear indicator that the giant veil tear, is a very bad thing for Thedas..

I can't see any mortal society thriving before the veil was erected. It makes Sandal's prophecy seem apocalyptic in tone now.

And yet, Yavanna referenced such a world, "when dragons ruled the skies."

I imagine the demons ruled the surface.

Can you picture a greater pride demon soaring through the sky in a sleigh made from people that's being pulled by high dragons?

Lord, the terror it would cause. However, I imagine a chariot rather than a sleigh.

[Lotion Soronarr]

No you don't. Your accusatory tone imples Chantry addicts templars just to control themas some kind of sinister act.
And yet it is templars that willingly take lyrium - just like Grey Warden willingly (more or less) drink darkspawn blood. Actually, by that logic what the GW do is much, much worse.