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[cjones91]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Wow,I've never thought about it like that.This is why most mages should be put through mandatory training so they don't fall prey to demons and become abominations.

Mandatory training doesn't prevent that. People succumb to Abominations either out of coercion, which no training can make you immune from, or stress/desperation, which will occur regardless of the circle system or templars. Conner, removed from the context of Isolde's motivations, is an actually pretty mundane but common motivation for demonic pacts: trying to save the life of a family member. That's a stress we all have to go through, since ultimately every family member who doesn't outlive us is going to die before us.

Then there's maritial difficulties, the more mundane seven deadly sins, the tyranny of taxes and governments, and the stresses of any other ideological cause you'd like to take or axe you'd like to grind...

However your analogy should include the demons as the virus and the mages are where it spreads and gets stronger.

A virus, even when dormant, is always there. An abomination is binary, much like an outbreak: it either is in effect, or not. The magic potential (and thus abomination outbreak risk) is the dormant virus analog, not the abomination itself- unless you intend to argue all mages are dormant abominations. Which is both unsupported and even worse.

Of course, abominations are only the most flashy form of the outbreak. Simply bad people being bad mages using magic for bad things (like mind control, abomination implants, or simple death) are other forms of the outbreak. As far as plague victims go, dying from horrible boyles is just a more grotesque death than drowning in your own lungs as a 'lesser' malady.

The corruption of bad mages being a malady on other mages and mundanes alike is another form of the outbreak and quarantine analogy, but it's easier to bog down.

Mages can't become abominations on their own though,the demon has to take control of them in order for it to happen.That would make the demons the actual virus and the mage a infected person.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Raijin wrote...

How exactly are we pro mages are just guilty for what we accuse of the pro-templars of doing? You folks are pro incarceration of innocent mages whereas we pro mages think that Mages should have the same right as a non-mage to experience freedom. Perhabs if Mages were treated as the same a non-mage then maybe just MAYBE their would be far less blood mages then their is today.

You do realize innocence is irrelevant?
Mages are segregated because of a crime, but because of a high risk factor.

You pro Templars are throwing the law book at Anders... and esseninally calling him a psychopath and a terrorist, but who is the true psychopath and terrorist?

Anders.

Mages are treated like **** in Thedas and you can't possibly expect the mages to sit back and do nothing.

They don't have it half as bad as you claim.
And are 10 times better off than many others.

[Br3admax]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Me killing the reformed geth? I've never said that that was justifed.

And yet you did it anyway.

This thread and the one that you brought up. Also, Sythesis is the pinnacle of dogmatism. And it's not like any of these things are unique to these theads alone. These are things that I've always seen you advocate for.

Er, necrophilia? I... what?

Oh come now, we both know that isn't all you advocate.

Should I list a few more things you've advocated here and on Scrollsoflore, Xil? I'm getting a wee bit tired of you trying to call others "misguided hypocrites/bigots" in every thread you go to. Instead of ever making a logical argument, you simply pull a "You're a bigot!" card try to act like someone of superior moral and intellectual stature, particularly considering the disgustingly reprehensible things that you try to justify in your gender-and-species-confused mind. Ever since this thread's conception you've done nothing but post ridiculous trash for the sole purpose of causing controversy and garnering attention.

Not quite what I would have said, but I lol'd none the less. 

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

What does cooked mage taste like?

If by Mana Clash, victory.

[Shadow Fox]

This thread amuses me.

[Br3admax]

Amusing, are we? So glad that we could be entertaining for you.

[Xilizhra]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

What does cooked mage taste like?

If by Mana Clash, victory.

Gonna respond to me, Xili?

No need. My last reply to Dean works as one to you as well.

[Shadow Fox]

Br3ad wrote...

Amusing, are we? So glad that we could be entertaining for you.

popcorn?:innocent:

[The Hierophant]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Amusing, are we? So glad that we could be entertaining for you.

popcorn?:innocent:

[General TSAR]

Lord Raijin wrote...

You pro Templars are throwing the law book at Anders... and esseninally calling him a psychopath and a terrorist, but who is the true psychopath and terrorist? Perhabs the Chantry and the Templars. 

This fallacy is a favorite of terrorists and their apologists as well. 

[AlexanderCousland]

General TSAR wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

You pro Templars are throwing the law book at Anders... and esseninally calling him a psychopath and a terrorist, but who is the true psychopath and terrorist? Perhabs the Chantry and the Templars. 

This fallacy is a favorite of terrorists and their apologists as well. 

Im mad at  society so I want to blow it all up.

Yea...you two are winners.

[General TSAR]

FreshIstay wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

You pro Templars are throwing the law book at Anders... and esseninally calling him a psychopath and a terrorist, but who is the true psychopath and terrorist? Perhabs the Chantry and the Templars. 

This fallacy is a favorite of terrorists and their apologists as well. 

Im mad at  society so I want to blow it all up.

Yea...you two are winners.

Ummm
1. My PCs are all like "Maker grant you mercy heretic, for you shall find none here" to Mages.
2. The fallacy I'm refering to is Lord Raijin's.

Modifié par General TSAR, 26 octobre 2013 - 09:51 .

[Lord Raijin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You do realize innocence is irrelevant?
Mages are segregated because of a crime, but because of a high risk factor.

And what high risk factor will that be? Apparently things aren't working too well with the current system, or was prior to Kirkwall. The Circle system with the Chantry running the show has failed, and Kirkwall is the prime example of it.

Anders.

Yeah lets blame Anders... Anders this and Anders that but lets not blame the relgious organzation that created this so-called psychopath.

They don't have it half as bad as you claim.
And are 10 times better off than many others.

Explain to me how good they have it?

The Circle would be hell of a lot better if the Chantry wasn't involved.

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah lets blame Anders... Anders this and Anders that but lets not blame the relgious organzation that created this so-called psychopath.

I am of the belief that you cannot blame someone else for the actions of another.

I want you to take a few moments of your time and read these two important articles with an OPEN mind.
My Manifesto of Anders

and
Chantry - Circles as narcissistic family + Anders

Come back and re read your thread again.

The Chantry isn't innocent by a long shot. They've got more blood on their hands than any other mage. Anders may had blew up the Chantry, but it was for a valid cause. He started a revolution by force to try to change things. Call it a terrorstic act all you want, but it is the Chantry was the ingredant for this total destruction.

If I was to shock you with a prod wouldn't you come lunging at me to kick my ass?

[Medhia Nox]

The "bad experiences" excuse belittles every person who's ever overcome adversity without becoming the thing they despise.

Blaming other people, or circumstances, for your life is pitiful.

Anders is a craven, megalomaniac.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 27 octobre 2013 - 12:32 .

[Reaverwind]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The "bad experiences" excuse belittles every person who's ever overcome adversity without becoming the thing they despise.

Blaming other people, or circumstances, for your life is pitiful.

Anders is a craven, megalomaniac.

Here, here!

[Lord Raijin]

Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.

And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.

[Reaverwind]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.

And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.

No. He's a terrorist. He's no different than any other terrorist "standing up for their beliefs", consequences be damned. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.
And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.

Most terrorists are not psychopaths and do indeed *think* they are doing what is right. Hell, that is one of the defining differences between a terrorist and some random psychopath.

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 27 octobre 2013 - 01:19 .