Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling the Taliban terrorists for standing up for what they think is right? To stand up for the rights of all islamists? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If the Taliban was one of them they would be thinking about themself, and not others. they help others, not themselves.
And besides.... they are cat lovers... enough said.
He was an absolute monster in the end.Medhia Nox wrote...
Anders is a craven, megalomaniac.
Modifié par Youth4Ever, 27 octobre 2013 - 01:37 .
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Lord Raijin wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
Yeah lets blame Anders... Anders this and Anders that but lets not blame the relgious organzation that created this so-called psychopath.
I am of the belief that you cannot blame someone else for the actions of another.
I want you to take a few moments of your time and read these two important articles with an OPEN mind.
My Manifesto of Anders
and
Chantry - Circles as narcissistic family + Anders
Come back and re read your thread again.
The Chantry isn't innocent by a long shot. They've got more blood on their hands than any other mage. Anders may had blew up the Chantry, but it was for a valid cause. He started a revolution by force to try to change things. Call it a terrorstic act all you want, but it is the Chantry was the ingredant for this total destruction.
If I was to shock you with a prod wouldn't you come lunging at me to kick my ass?
FreshIstay wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
Yeah lets blame Anders... Anders this and Anders that but lets not blame the relgious organzation that created this so-called psychopath.
I am of the belief that you cannot blame someone else for the actions of another.
I want you to take a few moments of your time and read these two important articles with an OPEN mind.
My Manifesto of Anders
and
Chantry - Circles as narcissistic family + Anders
Come back and re read your thread again.
The Chantry isn't innocent by a long shot. They've got more blood on their hands than any other mage. Anders may had blew up the Chantry, but it was for a valid cause. He started a revolution by force to try to change things. Call it a terrorstic act all you want, but it is the Chantry was the ingredant for this total destruction.
If I was to shock you with a prod wouldn't you come lunging at me to kick my ass?
Your theories are absurd.
1. The Circle of Magi does not practice slavery.
2. Ander's is a primary reason why the treatment of Mage's took a turn for the worst. I can understand your position If you choose to support Mage's,however, I can't understand support for Ander's.
3. Anyone who disregards History is a Fool. The Tevinter Imperium is a shining example of a Society where Mage's are free, Yet you choose only to disregard Tevinter because it's a fully valid argument that legitimately weaken's your stance.
4. You seriously broke down a hypothetical family structure and applied it to the Chantry and Anders. I learned nothing from that except you must spend alot of time analyzing family structures and evidently place a high value on Interpersonal relationship' s.
Reaverwind wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.
And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.
No. He's a terrorist. He's no different than any other terrorist "standing up for their beliefs", consequences be damned.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.
And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.
No. He's a terrorist. He's no different than any other terrorist "standing up for their beliefs", consequences be damned.
Hypothetically speaking lets just say that I pretend to agree with your analytical point of view of Anders being a terrorist. Someone don't become a terrorist without being indocrinated by someone or a group. People aren't born as terrorist, they were trained to become one over the years of lies, and even abuse.
*snip*
Nightdragon8 wrote...
FreshIstay wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
Yeah lets blame Anders... Anders this and Anders that but lets not blame the relgious organzation that created this so-called psychopath.
I am of the belief that you cannot blame someone else for the actions of another.
I want you to take a few moments of your time and read these two important articles with an OPEN mind.
My Manifesto of Anders
and
Chantry - Circles as narcissistic family + Anders
Come back and re read your thread again.
The Chantry isn't innocent by a long shot. They've got more blood on their hands than any other mage. Anders may had blew up the Chantry, but it was for a valid cause. He started a revolution by force to try to change things. Call it a terrorstic act all you want, but it is the Chantry was the ingredant for this total destruction.
If I was to shock you with a prod wouldn't you come lunging at me to kick my ass?
Your theories are absurd.
1. The Circle of Magi does not practice slavery.
2. Ander's is a primary reason why the treatment of Mage's took a turn for the worst. I can understand your position If you choose to support Mage's,however, I can't understand support for Ander's.
3. Anyone who disregards History is a Fool. The Tevinter Imperium is a shining example of a Society where Mage's are free, Yet you choose only to disregard Tevinter because it's a fully valid argument that legitimately weaken's your stance.
4. You seriously broke down a hypothetical family structure and applied it to the Chantry and Anders. I learned nothing from that except you must spend alot of time analyzing family structures and evidently place a high value on Interpersonal relationship' s.
1. Meh whatever doesn't even know what that was about. My guess Templars as mages as slaves.
2. Other than Anders being someone to use magic to make a WMD, the "treatment" for why the templars abused there power and useing that power to create sex slaves, and using the "Tranqual" for whatever small reason, can not be 1 person's fualt. I don't agree what Ander's did but resting everything to blame on a mage outside of the circle, doesn't excuse the reason to abuse mage's INSIDE the circle.
3. Not disreguarding it, but in all rights Tevinter is a place ruled by mages. In pretty much a dictatorship. Free mages does not equal Tevinter Imperium. I'm sure there can be a system where mages are "free" and it not turn into Tevinter.
4. not touching
FreshIstay wrote...
Your theories are absurd.
1. The Circle of Magi does not practice slavery.
2. Ander's is a primary reason why the treatment of Mage's took a turn for the worst. I can understand your position If you choose to support Mage's,however, I can't understand support for Ander's.
3. Anyone who disregards History is a Fool. The Tevinter Imperium is a shining example of a Society where Mage's are free, Yet you choose only to disregard Tevinter because it's a fully valid argument that legitimately weaken's your stance.
4. You seriously broke down a hypothetical family structure and applied it to the Chantry and Anders. I learned nothing from that except you must spend alot of time analyzing family structures and evidently place a high value on Interpersonal relationship' s.
It must be nice acting ike you can predict the future.FreshIstay wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
Yeah lets blame Anders... Anders this and Anders that but lets not blame the relgious organzation that created this so-called psychopath.
I am of the belief that you cannot blame someone else for the actions of another.
I want you to take a few moments of your time and read these two important articles with an OPEN mind.
My Manifesto of Anders
and
Chantry - Circles as narcissistic family + Anders
Come back and re read your thread again.
The Chantry isn't innocent by a long shot. They've got more blood on their hands than any other mage. Anders may had blew up the Chantry, but it was for a valid cause. He started a revolution by force to try to change things. Call it a terrorstic act all you want, but it is the Chantry was the ingredant for this total destruction.
If I was to shock you with a prod wouldn't you come lunging at me to kick my ass?
Your theories are absurd.
1. The Circle of Magi does not practice slavery.
2. Ander's is a primary reason why the treatment of Mage's took a turn for the worst. I can understand your position If you choose to support Mage's,however, I can't understand support for Ander's.
3. Anyone who disregards History is a Fool. The Tevinter Imperium is a shining example of a Society where Mage's are free, Yet you choose only to disregard Tevinter because it's a fully valid argument that legitimately weaken's your stance.
4. You seriously broke down a hypothetical family structure and applied it to the Chantry and Anders. I learned nothing from that except you must spend alot of time analyzing family structures and evidently place a high value on Interpersonal relationship' s.
Reaverwind wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.
And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.
No. He's a terrorist. He's no different than any other terrorist "standing up for their beliefs", consequences be damned.
Hypothetically speaking lets just say that I pretend to agree with your analytical point of view of Anders being a terrorist. Someone don't become a terrorist without being indocrinated by someone or a group. People aren't born as terrorist, they were trained to become one over the years of lies, and even abuse.
*snip*
You're not going to convince me to have any sympathy for that garbage.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.
And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.
No. He's a terrorist. He's no different than any other terrorist "standing up for their beliefs", consequences be damned.
Hypothetically speaking lets just say that I pretend to agree with your analytical point of view of Anders being a terrorist. Someone don't become a terrorist without being indocrinated by someone or a group. People aren't born as terrorist, they were trained to become one over the years of lies, and even abuse.
You keep telling someone that you're nothing but a curse and eventually they will start believing in it. Look at the situation with Keili from the Circle tower. She fully believes that she is a curse, and that she fears herself. If you mention about the Rite of tranquality Shes mentions that shes going to convince her mentors to allow her to undergo the Rite to get rid of this "curse". After the Broken Circle quest she is determined, without having a free train of thought of her own, that all mages should be 'cleansed' by the templars including herself. This is something that was drilled into this womans mind. To believe that the templars are the savers and the mages are foul and needs "cleaning" by the templars.
What is the defintion of a terrorist? a person who terrorizes or frightens others. Now tell me that the Chantry isn't guilty of being a terroristic organzation who uses religion to disguise their true nature, and to use it to control peoples minds.
The true terrorists is the Chantry and the templars who do the Chantrys bidding.
Oh please...don't even go there.FreshIstay wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Isn't it time to stop calling Anders a terrorist for standing up for what he thinks is right? To stand up for the rights of all mages? Psychopaths only think about themselves, and will only do things to others if their a profit to be made, or to benefit themselves. If Anders was one of them he would be thinking about himself, and not others. He helps others, not himself.
And besides.... Anders is a cat lover... enough said.
No. He's a terrorist. He's no different than any other terrorist "standing up for their beliefs", consequences be damned.
Hypothetically speaking lets just say that I pretend to agree with your analytical point of view of Anders being a terrorist. Someone don't become a terrorist without being indocrinated by someone or a group. People aren't born as terrorist, they were trained to become one over the years of lies, and even abuse.
You keep telling someone that you're nothing but a curse and eventually they will start believing in it. Look at the situation with Keili from the Circle tower. She fully believes that she is a curse, and that she fears herself. If you mention about the Rite of tranquality Shes mentions that shes going to convince her mentors to allow her to undergo the Rite to get rid of this "curse". After the Broken Circle quest she is determined, without having a free train of thought of her own, that all mages should be 'cleansed' by the templars including herself. This is something that was drilled into this womans mind. To believe that the templars are the savers and the mages are foul and needs "cleaning" by the templars.
What is the defintion of a terrorist? a person who terrorizes or frightens others. Now tell me that the Chantry isn't guilty of being a terroristic organzation who uses religion to disguise their true nature, and to use it to control peoples minds.
The true terrorists is the Chantry and the templars who do the Chantrys bidding.
Last time I checked nobody was forcing anyone to beleive in the Maker or Andraste, It is simply the dominant religion. Kind of like believing in The Old Gods? Difference is, followers of that faith were ACTUALLY controlling people's minds.
:innocent:
Lord Raijin wrote...
FreshIstay wrote...
Your theories are absurd.
1. The Circle of Magi does not practice slavery.
2. Ander's is a primary reason why the treatment of Mage's took a turn for the worst. I can understand your position If you choose to support Mage's,however, I can't understand support for Ander's.
3. Anyone who disregards History is a Fool. The Tevinter Imperium is a shining example of a Society where Mage's are free, Yet you choose only to disregard Tevinter because it's a fully valid argument that legitimately weaken's your stance.
4. You seriously broke down a hypothetical family structure and applied it to the Chantry and Anders. I learned nothing from that except you must spend alot of time analyzing family structures and evidently place a high value on Interpersonal relationship' s.
1. I never once said that the Circle of magi practices slavery.
2. What is Anders suppose to do ? Allow the abuse to contuine? To let Meredith contuine her tryant mission to make every mage in the circle as miserable as she can possibly can? Elthina was certainly not doing anything about the current situation.
3. And thats what the Chantry wants everyone to believe in. If you give Mages their freedom then you run the chance of another Tevinter Imperium in Kirkwall. That is just a fallacy. Mages in Thedas just want their freedom. To be free to get married, own farms,houses, and to start a family. Look at Hawkes family for an example. Hawkes father was a blood mage (An automatic death sentence by Chantries law) who wanted to live in peace, and to give his family the best possible life without templars interfering.
Modifié par FreshIstay, 27 octobre 2013 - 03:12 .
Oh please...don't even go there.
You tried to claim those who worship the Old Gods are the only ones who can control minds.I call bull**** since the Chantry has it's own form of indoctrination with the lyrium addled templars and many other orthodox cults like the one in Haven.FreshIstay wrote...
Oh please...don't even go there.
How dare I present the facts...the nerve, the unmitigated gaul.<_<
Guest_Morocco Mole_*
Haven isn't a part of the Chantry, and are we seriously still debating the lyrium thing?cjones91 wrote...
You tried to claim those who worship the Old Gods are the only ones who can control minds.I call bull**** since the Chantry has it's own form of indoctrination with the lyrium addled templars and many other orthodox cults like the one in Haven.FreshIstay wrote...
Oh please...don't even go there.
How dare I present the facts...the nerve, the unmitigated gaul.<_<
I did'nt say they were part of the Chantry,I said they used indoctrination to control their subjects.And the lyrium thing is still valid because the Chantry only recruits those who are blindly devoted(which would make it easier for them to control).Br3ad wrote...
Haven isn't a part of the Chantry, and are we seriously still debating the lyrium thing?cjones91 wrote...
You tried to claim those who worship the Old Gods are the only ones who can control minds.I call bull**** since the Chantry has it's own form of indoctrination with the lyrium addled templars and many other orthodox cults like the one in Haven.FreshIstay wrote...
Oh please...don't even go there.
How dare I present the facts...the nerve, the unmitigated gaul.<_<
cjones91 wrote...
You tried to claim those who worship the Old Gods are the only ones who can control minds.I call bull**** since the Chantry has it's own form of indoctrination with the lyrium addled templars and many other orthodox cults like the one in Haven.FreshIstay wrote...
Oh please...don't even go there.
How dare I present the facts...the nerve, the unmitigated gaul.<_<
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