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[EmperorSahlertz]

cjones91 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

By the way what is your feelings about Fenris finally standing up for himself and killing the slavers who was hired by his former master to take him back? Do you think hes a muderer just like Anders? After all he did it insuch vicious way. Do you hate Fenris for being a vicious monster?

Fenris was an ACTUAL slave. The Circle does not practice slavery. 

No,they practice illegal kidnapping and imprisoment.

Actually that would be legal forceful removal. I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference.

[Reaverwind]

Morocco Mole wrote...

What breed of dog is Anders?

A very sick one, or severely inbred one. Take your pick.

[cjones91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

By the way what is your feelings about Fenris finally standing up for himself and killing the slavers who was hired by his former master to take him back? Do you think hes a muderer just like Anders? After all he did it insuch vicious way. Do you hate Fenris for being a vicious monster?

Fenris was an ACTUAL slave. The Circle does not practice slavery. 

No,they practice illegal kidnapping and imprisoment.

Actually that would be legal forceful removal. I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference.

I do understand the difference.One involves removing children because the parents were neglectful but are unwilling to hand them over,the other involves snatching children away from parents even if they are perfectly capable of taking care of the child.Considering mages also have their children taken away from them once they exit the womb I don't know what else you would like to call it.

Modifié par cjones91, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:31 .

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Illegal in what sense? Thedas law or our own?

Thedas has laws on kidnapping too,in fact one quest from Ignacio involves killing the kidnappers of a wealthy noble's son.

Modifié par cjones91, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:32 .

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

One involves removing children because the parents were neglectful but are unwilling to hand them over,the other involves snatching children away from parents even if they are perfectly capable of taking care of the child.

I don't think normal mundanes can properly care for magical children, so I think this is pretty justified.

And if the parents are mages?Is it justified then?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Even if Anders was a dog, abused violent dogs are dangerous and need to be put down, regardless of why they are dangerous. Even if it's sad. Except Anders isn't a dog, so it's arguably less sad because it's more his fault.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:34 .

[LOLandStuff]

I find it funny when it comes to Anders all these sorry excuses pop up mixed with real life examples to justify his actions. But if what he did happened in real life, everyone would want to see him dead.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:35 .

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

I find it funny when it comes to Anders all these sorry excuses pop mixed up with real life examples to justify his actions. But if what he did happened in real life, everyone would want to see him dead.

No I'm pretty sure he would still have crazy fangirls. Just like the Boston bombers and Columbine shooters

Or that one women who married a infamous serial killer.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
Thedas has laws on kidnapping too,in fact one quest from Ignacio involves killing the kidnappers of a wealthy noble's son.

Yes and, according to Thedosian laws, if your child has magic and the Templars arrive to take it away, that's not kidnapping. They are empowered by the law to do it.

[LOLandStuff]

Oh right, totally forgot about real life crazies. My bad.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Thedas has laws on kidnapping too,in fact one quest from Ignacio involves killing the kidnappers of a wealthy noble's son.

Yes and, according to Thedosian laws, if your child has magic and the Templars arrive to take it away, that's not kidnapping. They are empowered by the law to do it.

The Chantry's law you mean.In other cultures the templars would have faced greater resistance if they tried to snatch somebody's child because they think he/she has magic.

And what if that child does'nt have magic?Then the templars have subjected him/her to a traumatic ordeal by removing them from their parents/village/etc;

[Xilizhra]

LOLandStuff wrote...

I find it funny when it comes to Anders all these sorry excuses pop up mixed with real life examples to justify his actions. But if what he did happened in real life, everyone would want to see him dead.

Keep in mind that there's a fair-sized gulf between justifying his actions and actually killing him.

I also don't believe in capital punishment, so I wouldn't want him dead either way.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
And if the parents are mages?Is it justified then?

It's a complicated issue.
Let's say that there is accidental baby in the Circle and the Templars let the mother keep the kid.
Now what? First of all, that child will be deprived of a normal childhood. It won't have, for example, other children to play with.
And then, let's say that child turns out to be a non-mages. Well, oooops.
For one, we will have deprived the kid of a normal childhood for no reason at all; then, in medieval times; jobs pretty much ran in the family. If your father was a smith, chances are you'd be one too.
There weren't that many universities where you could pick an array of subjects to graduate from and those that existed were, mostly, limited to the wealthy.
And the only trade this kid's parents know is magic which s/he can't practice. His/her only option will be becoming a Templar.

Plus, there is also the fact there's no reason to believe mage parents will be any more adept at taking care of an infant than their non-mage counterparts.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:51 .

[Xilizhra]

There weren't that many universities where you could pick an array of subjects to graduate from and those that existed were, mostly, limited to the wealthy.

The wealthy... such as the Chantry, perhaps? They could easily sponsor the education of nonmage children born to mages.

[LOLandStuff]

Never mind if Anders dies or not, you can't just justify his actions and let him scamper about like nothing happened.

[Xilizhra]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Never mind if Anders dies or not, you can't just justify his actions and let him scamper about like nothing happened.

I'm not. I'm having him fight beside me against a greater threat. It's not like I own a prison to send him to.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
The Chantry's law you mean.In other cultures the templars would have faced greater resistance if they tried to snatch somebody's child because they think he/she has magic.

Ferelden law, Orlesian law, Anderfels law, Antivan law. Maybe Nevarra.

And what if that child does'nt have magic?Then the templars have subjected him/her to a traumatic ordeal by removing them from their parents/village/etc;

Hum...the Templars don't take children away unless it has been proved beyond a doubt they are mages.
Usually, the evidence is that they set someone on fire and their neighbours are lynching them.

[LOLandStuff]

@Xilizhra Not you, but some people blame the Chantry for his action. And blowing up a place full of innocent people and a completely inept GC is wrong. And if there was a way for him to pay for his crime, I would have chosen it. Killing him is an easy way out and would've died a martyr.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The Chantry's law you mean.In other cultures the templars would have faced greater resistance if they tried to snatch somebody's child because they think he/she has magic.

Ferelden law, Orlesian law, Anderfels law, Antivan law. Maybe Nevarra.

And what if that child does'nt have magic?Then the templars have subjected him/her to a traumatic ordeal by removing them from their parents/village/etc;

Hum...the Templars don't take children away unless it has been proved beyond a doubt they are mages.
Usually, the evidence is that they set someone on fire and their neighbours are lynching them.

Actually Fereldan is independant and if Alistair is king he intentionally defies Chantry law by harboring free mages within his borders.Antiva to my knowledge does'nt anwser to the Chantry and their laws are created by the various merchant nobles that live there.

Usually magic is manifested when someone reaches puberty but let's assume the templars are tipped off by a ignoramus who saw a child do something that they thought was magic....however he/she was just playing with a magical artifact that a mage family member from a Circle had given them as a present.Of course the idiot masses would'nt know the difference so the templars might make a mistake and take the child away believing him/her to be a mage.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

All human nations except Tevinter answer to some Chantry laws. Even if in Rivain they're mostly confined to Dairsmuid.