[quote]Lord Raijin wrote...
Wrong. You can summon the dead without using blood magic. You can
animate the dead by using spirit spells. The mage that killed him was not possessed but flat out crazy. Where do you get the notion that Thraks was allowing Abominations to roam free? please provide me a scene, or a quest, to which you claim so.[/quote]
Just play the quest again. Hawke asks Samson if the mages used blood magic to ressurect the dead and he confirms it and also that Thrask knew but looked the other way; Alain will use blood magic in front of you; Grace will turn into a damn Abomination.
[quote]Or better yet why don't we put people like the two men who was about to assault Olivia in the Circle where they can't harm another person again. Mages aren't the problem. It's non-mages like the two men that taunts innocent mages who just want to live their live.[/quote]
1-It's unfeasible to place the entire non-magical population in Circles; not that Tevinter hasn't tried.
2-Non-mages aren't as dangerous on an individual basis which means they don't merit the same restrictions.
3-Non-mages can be disarmed.
4-Non-mages are not as susceptible to demonic possession.
5-The Circle also exists to allow non-mages to remain dominants in their own societies.
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What about the King Alistairs talk about how the biggest threat against the city was Meredith,[/quote]
Alistair's sole brain cells hangs on for dear life inside his skull.
[quote]He was right. The true danger wasn't the mages, it was Meredith and her tyrant act against mages.[/quote]
Really. You mean it was Meredith who blew up the Chantry and set the city on fire? I sure didn't notice it.
[quote]Mages were turning to blood magic to protect themselves against their jailers, and I find nothing wrong with it either.[/quote]
The one single mage that turned to blood magic to escape any "jailer" was Alain. Every other had ulterior motives.
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in your mind you think that the besiged mage was the bad guy, and the templars are some kind of hero.
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And why shouldn't I? We know nothing about the situation.
You're the one making wild assumptions based on your biases.
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What does that have to do with Mages who's being forced by the Chantry to live in total isolation from the rest of the Thedas?[/quote]
You said that if someone who figths for his freedom is bad, then everyone else who does the same must also be bad.
I tried to show it to you how you're making a ridiculous generalization by giving examples of different groups that fight for freedom but who do it for different reasons and use different methods.
Just because the mages fight for "freedom", that doesn't automatically make them "good". There are a myriad of factors at play here.
[quote]If you want to see real criminals take a look at your bros Ser Alrik and Ser Karras. Both are sexual predators who abuses their authority to put harm against innocent mages. Threatening them with the Rite of Tranqulity if they disclose their crimes to other people, and using the Rite in such illegal way, and then sexually abusing them for their own pleasure.[/quote]
Non-magical society: A Templar rapes a mage and has to conceal his crime for fear of punishment.
Magical society: Danarius continously rapes Fenris for years while conducting painful experiments on him and it is absolutely legal and socially acceptable because Fenris is a lowly slave and Danarius a powerful magister.
You got no moral high ground.
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Makers breath we actually agree to something! Yes he was a good man... He gave the finger to Meredith and kept on his investigation, which unfortunatly killed him. Had Meredith allowed him to contuine, and let him have some backup he would still be alive.[/quote]
Had Quentin been in the Circle; not only would Emeric be alive but also every woman he murdered.
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The Circle is a prison and Mages who are in the Circle haven't been convicted of any crime in the court of law. The only crime that they commited was being born with magic. Templars who actually cherish humanity would feel sorry for these mages, and have the ambition to help them to live better lives. These templars I support and respect. [/quote]
You're either missing the point or avoiding it.
I couldn't possibly care less what you think about the Circle. You are against it, fine. I could defend it in many ways but I suspect I would be wasting my breath.
But it's in the job description of Templars to uphold the laws of the Circle. The Templars you respect are those who go against these laws. This thread was made for supporters of the current Templar Order and what you are supporting are no the Templars but templars that go against the Order. Hence, why we are not looking for your "support".
You know what? I am actually going to adress the whole "crime of being born with magic".
I'm sure you're aware there are many restrictions that come with living in society. Don't go here, don't park there, walk a certain way, don't own this object, don't consume this, etc, etc, etc.
Why are these restrictions there? Because they are necessary so that society may exist; so that humans may co-exist.
Now, do these restrictions apply only if someone has given evidence of being dangerous? For instance, is my inability to own a tank dependant upon me having already used a tank to harm someone? No, the restrictions applies unniversaly and since birth.
Why? Because people are dangerous. So, we restrict our freedoms so as to provide security.
And in Thedas, mages are more dangerous than normal people. Logically, shouldn't their restrictions also be harsher in order to reflect this increased danger they represent to others?
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turning into giant red monsters,[/quote]
If there is someone who has experience in turning into giant monsters, it's the mage side.
I think I'll just start using your arguments. "A mage made me do it, it's not my fault."
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Templars (Red templars I suppose) harassing a camp sight of apostates and blood mages.
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Posting pictures you consider sad is not an argument. It's appeal to emotion; emotional blackmail.
It has no effect on me whatsoever.
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