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[Xilizhra]

I would so love to burn Andrian alive since it would be symbolic.

Can we not talk about personally killing each others' preferred characters, if possible? It doesn't help civil discourse.

Pro templar, Pro mages, Pro elves, all of them extremist who don't want a middle ground.

See a pattern here? Anyone whose pro-any one side over the others has long since forsaken the thought of a middle ground. Pretending that's not the case is disengenuous.

There's a difference between no middle ground at all and not jumping at every middle ground that's offered.

[Reaverwind]

Hazegurl wrote...

True Reznore57, they needed to discuss the rising tension more than anything else and the Divine lost the respect of the Templars and never had the respect of the more extreme Mages (which had the most power among mages)

"F**k the Divine"-Fiona
"The Divine is a fool"- Lambert

lol!

@Reaverwind and Cjones91

Right Reaver, she wanted to make sure no one could oppose a war with the Templars. It was a lot more than just her wanting to cause trouble. Framing Rhys got him on her side as well as Wynne. In the end Adrian, the lying, sneaky, manipulating b**ch got her war. I hope I get to kill her in DA:I.

And I hope we get to chop off her head or hang her high in a very public execution scene.

[Xilizhra]

And I hope we get to chop off her head or hang her high in a very public execution scene.

I cannot believe you've ever called me creepy.

[cjones91]

FreshIstay wrote...

Im Pro-Circle.

That's not the same as Pro-Templar or Pro-Mage.
I think both sides do good (and bad) things for society.

I'm more of a Reform Templar Order supporter myself.I want them to expand and offer protection for villages plagued by demon/abomination attacks.

[Reaverwind]

cjones91 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Im Pro-Circle.

That's not the same as Pro-Templar or Pro-Mage.
I think both sides do good (and bad) things for society.

I'm more of a Reform Templar Order supporter myself.I want them to expand and offer protection for villages plagued by demon/abomination attacks.

Yea, I want to see serious reform in the Order myself. Meredith was such a poor leader it wasn't funny - blatant insubordination, lack of discipline, etc were allowed to go on on her watch. Standards obviously weren't made clear enough or weren't enforced  as a whole across the Order (see Rivain). 

Modifié par Reaverwind, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:07 .

[cjones91]

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Im Pro-Circle.

That's not the same as Pro-Templar or Pro-Mage.
I think both sides do good (and bad) things for society.

I'm more of a Reform Templar Order supporter myself.I want them to expand and offer protection for villages plagued by demon/abomination attacks.

Yea, I want to see serious reform in the Order myself. Meredith was such a poor leader it wasn't funny - blatant insubordination, lack of discipline, etc were allowed to go on on her watch. Standards obviously weren't made clear enough or weren't enforced  as a whole across the Order (see Rivain). 

Agreed,the Order needs to do some spring cleaning and get rid of it's extremist elements.Being independent of the Chantry will also help.

Modifié par cjones91, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:13 .

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

And I hope we get to chop off her head or hang her high in a very public execution scene.

I cannot believe you've ever called me creepy.

Insania est sordidus. 

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And I hope we get to chop off her head or hang her high in a very public execution scene.

I cannot believe you've ever called me creepy.

Insania est sordidus. 

Insanity is catching?

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And I hope we get to chop off her head or hang her high in a very public execution scene.

I cannot believe you've ever called me creepy.

Insania est sordidus. 

Insanity is catching?

Catching as in infectious, then yes. You can't just translate one word into one thing without looking at context. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:50 .

[Dave of Canada]

Reaverwind wrote...

And I hope we get to chop off her head or hang her high in a very public execution scene.

I'm afraid that right belongs to Fiona and Justinia, it'll send a clear message rather than executing some enchanter.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:46 .

[Shadow Fox]

Like I said I'm pro-freedom that doesn't mean I'm for The End Justifies the Means or against compromise.I do think the gross imbalance of power between the sides needs to be dealt with however.

[Senya]

Adrian at least deserves punishment for murdering Pharamond, someone who was a Mage. Not a Templar, not a member of a Chantry, a Mage. There is literally no justification for it other than to start the war.

[Xilizhra]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Adrian at least deserves punishment for murdering Pharamond, someone who was a Mage. Not a Templar, not a member of a Chantry, a Mage. There is literally no justification for it other than to start the war.

Well, he did beg for it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Adrian at least deserves punishment for murdering Pharamond, someone who was a Mage. Not a Templar, not a member of a Chantry, a Mage. There is literally no justification for it other than to start the war.

As far renember pharamond fate was become zombie and considering that every tranquiled who was restored beg to kill them so it was mercy kill even if that wasn't adrian intention. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:47 .

[Shadow Fox]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Adrian at least deserves punishment for murdering Pharamond, someone who was a Mage. Not a Templar, not a member of a Chantry, a Mage. There is literally no justification for it other than to start the war.

She can join Anders in the Fade then.

[Medhia Nox]

"Why" did this Pharimond beg for death?

[Senya]

But that wasn't why she did it, did she? She framed Rhys to start the war. Furthermore, there were other options. The meeting was originally to review the cure for Tranquility and how it could give Mages more leverage in the Circle Tower. Pharamond could have been the first case of Tranquility being officially reversed, followed by many others.

[Xilizhra]

Medhia Nox wrote...

"Why" did this Pharimond beg for death?

Because he was going to be made Tranquil again after being cured.

But that wasn't why she did it,
did she? She framed Rhys to start the war. Furthermore, there were other
options. The meeting was originally to review the cure for Tranquility
and how it could give Mages more leverage in the Circle Tower. Pharamond
could have been the first case of Tranquility being officially
reversed, followed by many others.

The point is that it'd have been squelched and Pharamond re-Tranquilized.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:51 .

[Senya]

Not if his cure is approved, which it had a good chance of being since this was the first pro-Mage Divine in a long time.

And that also doesn't dismiss the fact that she framed Rhys for the murder. The deaths of Mages and Templars both are on her hands.

[Xilizhra]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Not if his cure is approved, which it had a good chance of being since this was the first pro-Mage Divine in a long time.

And that also doesn't dismiss the fact that she framed Rhys for the murder. The deaths of Mages and Templars both are on her hands.

The cure was explicitly denied by Lambert, which Justinia agreed with. At least, he got Justinia to agree to make him Tranquil again.

Framing Rhys is a separate issue, but I think Lambert was planning an attack anyway.

[Senya]

Was he? Well, Adrian certainly gave him justification.

[dragonflight288]

Medhia Nox wrote...

"Why" did this Pharimond beg for death?

He had cured hiimself of tranquility, and he was adamant that he never return to that state of being tranquil, he was begging to die rather than be retranquilized.

[LOLandStuff]

Why is framing Rhys a different issue? What's the excuse this time?
A mage killed a mage to start a war and blamed it on an innocent mage. I don't see a different issue here. She did it just so she could drag other mages into her war.

[TheKomandorShepard]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Why is framing Rhys a different issue? What's the excuse this time?
A mage killed a mage to start a war and blamed it on an innocent mage. I don't see a different issue here. She did it just so she could drag other mages into her war.

It was worth it just for lambert crushing rhys and evangeline badass ahahaha:lol:

[Hazegurl]

Xilizhra wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Not if his cure is approved, which it had a good chance of being since this was the first pro-Mage Divine in a long time.

And that also doesn't dismiss the fact that she framed Rhys for the murder. The deaths of Mages and Templars both are on her hands.

The cure was explicitly denied by Lambert, which Justinia agreed with. At least, he got Justinia to agree to make him Tranquil again.

Framing Rhys is a separate issue, but I think Lambert was planning an attack anyway.

It doesn't matter if Lambert dismissed it.  The Divine didn't. Pharamond was made Tranquil as the condition to allowing the mages the conclave. I'm also sure that it wasn't just Lambert that convinced her. Adrian opened her big fat mouth to tell Lambert, the Divine, and any one else who would listen that they should fear the mages knowing about the research, plus word had spread to the mages about it. Something the Divine did not want to happen.  it was best to just make him tranquil and have the meeting so the divine can issue a reform which probably would have released Pharamond from tranquility at a later date.

But Lambert didn't plan an attack. He told everyone to return to the tower. It was only after being threatened by Fiona and Evangeline that a fight broke out.