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[Lord Raijin]

cjones91 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I consider the short story canon because it was written by his writer, and I don't really see the point of posting it on the official website if it isn't canon.

The reason people consider it non canon is because it's out of character for Anders to behave that way.

What people are reading is not Anders doing but vengeance. People are so tuned in by gameplay settings that they forget the reality that vengeance is inside of Anders.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 30 octobre 2013 - 10:21 .

[cjones91]

ScarMK wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I consider the short story canon because it was written by his writer, and I don't really see the point of posting it on the official website if it isn't canon.

The reason people consider it non canon is because it's out of character for Anders to behave that way.

Are you being serious?

Did Anders at any point in DAA or DA2 rip someone's head off and drink their blood?

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Considering the fact that the wardens don't usually do something like that. Have you ever questioned WHY even the Wardens don't want him?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm not an Anders fan, but I also considered it somewhat out of character even for DA 2 Anders. I believe him a monster by the end of the game, but I don't consider him to have always been one. To me, the destruction of the Chantry was supposed to be the culmination of his madness and zealotry that had been growing over the course of the game. Before that I felt like he could be considered a good person and not the rabid animal he was in the story.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 30 octobre 2013 - 10:28 .

[Reaverwind]

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Anders was an abomination. The Wardens and Templars have every right to hunt him down. By becoming an abomination he betrayed everyone.

Yet the Wardens did'nt seem to mind Justice possessing Kristoff's body and walking around in it.They only tried to capture Anders because the Chantry inserted a Templar spy to subvert the Grey Warden immunity to their laws and the Wardens wanted to appease them.

Which wardens would these be? My wardens did mind, and never accepted Justice. 

[ScarMK]

cjones91 wrote...
Did Anders at any point in DAA or DA2 rip someone's head off and drink their blood?

If the story was written by Anders writer and put on the official forums, it's canon as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par ScarMK, 30 octobre 2013 - 10:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Raijin wrote...
He has the right to defend himself at all cost. No he hasn't betrayed everyone else but his own self. Perhabs if people didn't force themselves into his life then perhabs they wouldn't feel betrayed. Anders wants to be left a lone, and for the Chantry to go plow themselves.

Abominations have no right.

Anders broke every law and rule of common sense on the planet by allowing himself to be possesed. Willingly.
No country tolerates abominations. The Wardens don't tolerate abominations.
And Anders, the genius, decided to say "frak you all" and become an abomiantion, then and there. In doing so he lost all rights to anything.

Yet the Wardens did'nt seem to mind Justice possessing Kristoff's body and walking around in it

You mean the same way templars in Kirkwall could spot a blood mage in front of them?
Party memebrs have a tendency to have plot shield from normal reprocussions. Like catching the taint despite not being wardens.. Or lyrium addiction..

[cjones91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Well the Grey Wardens themselves have no problem with blood magic

So if they of all people was gonna turn Anders to the Templars, then you know Anders is a failure and terrorist

They were only going to do that to appease the Chantry since they inserted a spy to capture Anders.

They were going to turn over Anders because Anders was a failure, and had left the Wardens at that time, leaving the Wardens no reason to cover for him. Oh... And they knew he was a goddamn abomination... The Wardens had no desire to keep him.....

Anders was still in the Wardens in the time between Awakening and DA2,the Chantry however had threw a massive fit over that and so the Grey Wardens let a templar join their ranks to appease them.However that templar was a spy who kept a eye on Anders and the Grey Wardens,then Anders was seen bonding with Justice and the templar managed to get some of the Wardens on his side.

[cjones91]

Reaverwind wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Anders was an abomination. The Wardens and Templars have every right to hunt him down. By becoming an abomination he betrayed everyone.

Yet the Wardens did'nt seem to mind Justice possessing Kristoff's body and walking around in it.They only tried to capture Anders because the Chantry inserted a Templar spy to subvert the Grey Warden immunity to their laws and the Wardens wanted to appease them.

Which wardens would these be? My wardens did mind, and never accepted Justice. 

The Warden Commander in general,plus it's not like the Grey Wardens bat a eye with blood mages and the like.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Blind fanaticism is in character. Frothing at the mouth cannibalism is a little different.

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm not an Anders fan but I also considered it somewhat out of character even for DA 2 Anders. I believe him a monster by the end of the game, but I don't consider him to have always been one. To me the destruction of the Chantry was supposed to be the culmination of his madness and zealotry that had been growing over the course of the game. Before that I felt like he could be considered a good person and not a rabid animal.

 He can freak out and murder an innocent mage pleading for her life.

I see it perfectly in character for him.

That was Justice controlling him.Even though Anders said they are one and the same you can see some signs that Justice was gaining greater control as the story went on.

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Wardens aren't all clones that accept any and everything "no matter the cost" otherwise you wouldn't have confrontations like when you decide to side with the Architect.

That's because the Architect is one of their major enemies,however that does'nt stop some from forging a alliance in order to serve the greater good.

[Lord Raijin]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Considering the fact that the wardens don't usually do something like that. Have you ever questioned WHY even the Wardens don't want him?

Rolan, a former templar, infiltrated the Grey warden ranks to keep a close tap on Anders. He is accused of being an Abomination and then Rolan sicks his comrades (Templars) on Anders indicating that the Wardens agree with the decision. Anders fought and won, and finally left the Grey Wardens for good.

If the wardens truly did agree it was only because they did not want to start up a war against the Chantry and the Templars. They were far too weak after dealing with the Blight. They were obligated, not because they did not want Anders... they did not want to engage war over 1 Grey Warden.

The fact is it was the Grey wardens who betrayed Anders, not the other way around.

I feel a stronge urge to jump on the #Team Loghain Mac Tir bandwagon all of the sudden.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Blind fanaticism is in character. Frothing at the mouth cannibalism is a little different.

It isnt so much canibalism, as it is blood spattering accidentally, after the head ripping, into Anders' mouth.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Considering the fact that the wardens don't usually do something like that. Have you ever questioned WHY even the Wardens don't want him?

Rolan, a former templar, infiltrated the Grey warden ranks to keep a close tap on Anders. He is accused of being an Abomination and then Rolan sicks his comrades (Templars) on Anders indicating that the Wardens agree with the decision. Anders fought and won, and finally left the Grey Wardens for good.

If the wardens truly did agree it was only because they did not want to start up a war against the Chantry and the Templars. They were far too weak after dealing with the Blight. They were obligated, not because they did not want Anders... they did not want to engage war over 1 Grey Warden.

The fact is it was the Grey wardens who betrayed Anders, not the other way around.

I feel a stronge urge to jump on the #Team Loghain Mac Tir bandwagon all of the sudden.

Just when you thought that Xil's fanboyism was the epitome....

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

 He can freak out and murder an innocent mage pleading for her life.

I see it perfectly in character for him.

I remember seeing the same exact mage pleading to her templar capture to not have her made tranquil, and the templar rebuttled “That's right. Once you're Tranquil, you'll do anything I ask.”

Anders was OOC at the time of the murder of the mage.

So whats your point Templar lover? Templars should remove the skeletons from their own closet first before they start criticizing others about their skeletons.

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

According to Anders short story the Wardens betrayed him and was going to turn him over to the Templars. Anders had everyright to slaughter them just as they were going to slaughter him.

Considering the fact that the wardens don't usually do something like that. Have you ever questioned WHY even the Wardens don't want him?

Rolan, a former templar, infiltrated the Grey warden ranks to keep a close tap on Anders. He is accused of being an Abomination and then Rolan sicks his comrades (Templars) on Anders indicating that the Wardens agree with the decision. Anders fought and won, and finally left the Grey Wardens for good.

If the wardens truly did agree it was only because they did not want to start up a war against the Chantry and the Templars. They were far too weak after dealing with the Blight. They were obligated, not because they did not want Anders... they did not want to engage war over 1 Grey Warden.

The fact is it was the Grey wardens who betrayed Anders, not the other way around.

I feel a stronge urge to jump on the #Team Loghain Mac Tir bandwagon all of the sudden.

Why was such a big hoopla made over one mage when the Wardens have conscripted mages for years? And face it Anders was an abomination which is probably why the Wardens didn't mind having him gone and honestly they haven't been looking for him nor cared about running into him later. So much for the evil wardens vs poor innocent Anders.

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

 He can freak out and murder an innocent mage pleading for her life.

I see it perfectly in character for him.

I remember seeing the same exact mage pleading to her templar capture to not have her made tranquil, and the templar rebuttled “That's right. Once you're Tranquil, you'll do anything I ask.”

Anders was OOC at the time of the murder of the mage.

So whats your point Templar lover? Templars should remove the skeletons from their own closet first before they start criticizing others about their skeletons.

Once again, focus on Anders' (would be) crime. What on Earth does Alrik's crime have to do with Anders (attempted) murder of an innocent mage?

[Lord Raijin]

Hazegurl wrote...

Once again, focus on Anders' (would be) crime. What on Earth does Alrik's crime have to do with Anders (attempted) murder of an innocent mage?

Templars were commiting far more crimes against the people of Kirkwall more than the mages. The fact that theirs so many blood mages proves it.