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@cjones91: To be fair - a mage could look out for him/herself far better than the average peasant.

No, of course it doesn't justify brutality against mages and no, it doesn't make their life more valuable.

But a mage has more agency to be his/her own advocate... especially against another mage.

Against a mage - a peasant is in need of someone who would look out for him/her.

This is one of the reasons my mage Inquisitor will be looking to crush the mage rebellion.

But the same can be said of non mages.How many people turned a blind eye when someone decides to have their way with a pretty elf from a Alienage?Too many given what some elves have complained about.

Mages aren't the only ones who look out for their own so I don't see how mundanes are somehow  more worthy of living than they are.

Modifié par cjones91, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:03 .


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All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred, but are enraged when a human mundane peasant gets killed. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:09 .


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General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred.

Take it back. Now. 

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General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred, but are enraged when a human mundane peasant gets killed. 

Those mages are just like your precious mundanes....to think otherwise is a bigoted attitude.

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Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred.

Take it back. Now. 

Sorry Brosif, My PCs are very staunch in their beliefs.

Hell they massacred entire tribes of Dalish for being Heretics and made Morrigan into a blood mage so they could had her over to the Templars(there is a niffty cutscene and dialogue but she turns into a cat and escapes the tower which I thought was BS).

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:19 .


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cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred, but are enraged when a human mundane peasant gets killed. 

Those mages are just like your precious mundanes....to think otherwise is a bigoted attitude.


Correct term is hypocritical.  Have you been hanging out with Plaintiff?

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Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Templars are known for their insecurity issues.


And mages aren't?



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This is the mentality of a Templar.

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cjones91 wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

My Hawke did'nt believe every blood mage she fought represented all of the mages in Kirkwall.Considering she was a blood mage herself Saria view all of the crazy mages as being weak because they let themselves be controlled by their power.


It's very easy to ignore tempations and junk when it doesn't happen to the pc.   

Okay,then look at Bethany and Merrill.Both are mages who knew the dangers of magic and yet they did'nt go crazy like the vast number of apostates in Kirkwall.


Wait, Merrill didn't go crazy?

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cjones91 wrote...

Those mages are just like your precious mundanes....to think otherwise is a bigoted attitude.

"Marker grant you mercy heretic, for you will find non here."

My PCs don't care, they will do anything to advance the Order.

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General TSAR wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred.

Take it back. Now. 

Sorry Brosif, My PCs are very staunch in their beliefs.

Hell they massacred entire tribes of Dalish for being Heretics and made Morrigan into a blood mage so they could had her over to the Templars.


Then name a time and a place, for our PCs will wage battle unfurled. 

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ScarMK wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred, but are enraged when a human mundane peasant gets killed. 

Those mages are just like your precious mundanes....to think otherwise is a bigoted attitude.


Correct term is hypocritical.  Have you been hanging out with Plaintiff?

Nope,clearly TSAR thinks mages aren't worthy of the same rights as non mages are which is what some bigots believe in real life.

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Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Templars are known for their insecurity issues.


And mages aren't?


This is the mentality of a Templar.


With that big staff Anders must be compensating for something too.

Modifié par Necanor, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:22 .


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General TSAR wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Those mages are just like your precious mundanes....to think otherwise is a bigoted attitude.

"Marker grant you mercy heretic, for you will find non here."

My PCs don't care, they will do anything to advance the Order.

Then good luck trying to wipe out mages.....the demons and Qunari will be thanking your PCs for making their jobs when they ravage Thedas and your precious mundanes.

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General TSAR wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred.

Take it back. Now. 

Sorry Brosif, My PCs are very staunch in their beliefs.

Hell they massacred entire tribes of Dalish for being Heretics and made Morrigan into a blood mage so they could had her over to the Templars.



Hehe - you like to go all the way. I have to admit, it was fun wiping out Merrill's tribe, after I got over the initial shock at their reaction.

PC: But the keeper got herself possessed...

Dalish: Doesn't matter - we're killing you just because

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Necanor wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

My Hawke did'nt believe every blood mage she fought represented all of the mages in Kirkwall.Considering she was a blood mage herself Saria view all of the crazy mages as being weak because they let themselves be controlled by their power.


It's very easy to ignore tempations and junk when it doesn't happen to the pc.   

Okay,then look at Bethany and Merrill.Both are mages who knew the dangers of magic and yet they did'nt go crazy like the vast number of apostates in Kirkwall.


Wait, Merrill didn't go crazy?

Compared to Anders?Merrill was pretty much sane.

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Reaverwind wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

All my PCs are radical Andrastians who use their positions to advance the Templar Order politically and militarily.

Hence why my PCs don't really care if a bunch of sparkly fingers get massacred.

Take it back. Now. 

Sorry Brosif, My PCs are very staunch in their beliefs.

Hell they massacred entire tribes of Dalish for being Heretics and made Morrigan into a blood mage so they could had her over to the Templars.



Hehe - you like to go all the way. I have to admit, it was fun wiping out Merrill's tribe, after I got over the initial shock at their reaction.

PC: But the keeper got herself possessed...

Dalish: Doesn't matter - we're killing you just because

That does'nt happen if you accept responsiblity on Merrill's behalf.

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Thrask did not approve of blood magic, I told you that before; He had said it himself. Alain had no choice but to use blood magic to free your captive companions/siblings. As far as what Samson said.... I'm taking it with the strain of salt. Theirs no actual proof indicating that blood magic was use to ressurect the dead.

Thrask lied, Thrask changed is mind. What is certain is that members of his group were using blood magic and becoming Abominations.
Either he was aware of it and didn't care; which makes him a terrible Templar; or he couldn't tell it was happening; which makes him a terrible Templar.
Either way, Thrask was an idiot.

1. Don't you also think it's unfeasible to place every mage population in Circle?
2. Non-Mages as just as dangerous if not more. Loghain, Rendon Howe and Sten are your prime examples.
3. Punching, kicking and biting. You don't fully disarm a non-mage.
4. Wrong. If you had paid any attention to the game you'll see that non-mages can be susceptible to demonic possession. They too can be drawn into the control of demons too on top it off.
5. Do you not believe in equality?

1-No, because it has been done for nine hundred years.
2-Loghain and Howe could order soldiers to destroy Redcliff. An 8 years old mage did it by his lone self.
Non-mages in positions of enough power to destroy a city are few. But mage children could do it if they feel bored.
3-Punching and kicking vs Walking Bomb, Firestorm, etc.
The situation is not equivalent and should not be treated as if it is
4-AS susceptble. Do you know what that "AS" is there for?
5-Equality between people who can control mind, summon storms, make another's blood boil inside their vein and those who can't? I might as well believe in Santa Claus.



Meredith didn't physically blew up the Chantry, but she along with the Grand Cleric was the main ingrediants for it.

No, the main ingredients for it were sela petrae and drakestone and they were all put together by a mage.
Neither Meredith nor Elthina had anything to do with it.

So all but Alian used blood magic for evil huh?

Yes.

You're being judgemental and we already know the current situation. Mages and Templars are at holy war against each other. Templars had disbandon the Chantry and are on their own now. They will do as they please, and that means take the law into their own hands. The Templars are now common thugs.

"sigh"
We don't know the situation in that concept art. As far as we know, that mage just finished slaugthering a whole village; or she is possessed and the mages are containing the Abomination.
I'm not making wild assumptions based on my biases nor am I being manipulated into supporting the "underdog" just because that mage is outnumbered.

Being forced to live in isolation due to fear can cause a lot of resentments. Its the gasoline to which can burst into flames with the right ingredient at anytime. I've never said that someone who is fighting for his freedom is bad... stop making stuffs up because I never said such a thing like that. and mages whos fighting for "freedom" and using any available art of magic to aid them to battle doesn't automatically make them "bad" either.


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In ACT III the mages wern't free. They were fighting for their freedom. If that is being bad then I guess everyone who fights for freedom is bad.


Your own words. I'm going to try to show it to you why this is ridiculous. Again.
A group of women that have been caught by sex traffic rings staged a revolt and killed their "pimps" in the way out.
A group of criminals that were rigthfully arrested staged a revolt and killed their guards in the way out.
Both of these groups of people fought for the same thing (freedom) and both killed to achieve this. However, other circunstances make one revolt justified and the other not.
Therefore, just because I believe that mages fighting for freedom is wrong; it doesn't mean other groups that fight for their freedom are wrong.
Do you understand now?

I wouldn't exactly use Fenris as an example as he tend to use that "painful experiment" to his benefits... like sqeezing or tearing the heart out of his enemies. He doesn't mind using the very same tool that his master had given to him.  Fenris hates mages, but doesn't mind using magic that was given to him to defeat his enemies... HYPOCRITE.

So, if someone takes advantage of a poor situations they have been forced in; that suddenly makes the first actions a righteous one. For instance, if a slave uses his position near the Archon to gain certain commodities, does that mean his enslavement becomes acceptable.
Face it. In non-magical society; the likes of Alrik and Karras had to conceal their crimes to avoid punishment while in the magical society of Tevinter, the enslavement of non-mages is the very foundations of society and the mages can do whatever they please with their slaves because they are proprierty.


Now tell me what does this have to do with being born with magic? Don't get me wrong I am not against the Circle. I am against Chantry run Circles; where Mages are essentinally treated as prisoners. Don't you understand that if you restrict peoples freedom that it will only create war and riots? Don't you watch the news from time to time? A government who restricts freedom from their people are asking for a civil war.

I'm not sure how to put this into simpler terms...

ALL societies restrict the freedoms of their citizens. Restrictions upon our freedoms are the very cornerstone of society; it's why the judicial system exists; it's why rules of behavior exist.
What changes between societies is the harshness of restrictions. However, all societies restrict the freedoms of their citizens because we have the potential of being dangerous to each other; and not because we have given evidence of being dangerous.

Therefore, it is only logical that those amongst us who present a greater danger (AKA those with magic) have greater restriction upon their freedoms in order to reflect the increased danger they pose.

Yeah blame the mages for templars turning into red lyrium monsters.

Mages are being forced to use blood magic to protect themselves against the rebel Templars.

I think you just made double standards an art form recognized by The Louvre.

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cjones91 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Okay,then look at Bethany and Merrill.Both are mages who knew the dangers of magic and yet they did'nt go crazy like the vast number of apostates in Kirkwall.


Wait, Merrill didn't go crazy?

Compared to Anders?Merrill was pretty much sane.


Compared to Anders anyone is pretty much sane.

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Templars have a very very tough job, perhaps equally tough or tougher than Grey Wardens. They sacrifice a lot and the majority take on the position because they feel it is the right thing to do. Like in many large organizations some of their views are shaped from the leaders above. They must do things they otherwise would not like to do. However like military units each templar is relying on the man and woman next to him to follow orders and do what is right.

It's been proven to be a fairly thankless task for many of them.

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Necanor wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Templars are known for their insecurity issues.


And mages aren't?


This is the mentality of a Templar.


With that big staff Anders must be compensating for something too.


At least Anders don't go around pretending that his staff is what truly counts :)

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cjones91 wrote...
Nope,clearly TSAR thinks mages aren't worthy of the same rights as non mages are which is what some bigots believe in real life.

Oh noes, I think a fictional faction doesn't deserve the same rights as fictional mundanes!

cjones91 wrote...
Then good luck trying to wipe out mages.....the demons and Qunari will be thanking your PCs for making their jobs when they ravage Thedas and your precious mundanes.

Wiping them out completely is counterproductive and serves no tactical advantage, giving them the saarebas treatment is far more productive.

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Necanor wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Okay,then look at Bethany and Merrill.Both are mages who knew the dangers of magic and yet they did'nt go crazy like the vast number of apostates in Kirkwall.


Wait, Merrill didn't go crazy?

Compared to Anders?Merrill was pretty much sane.


Compared to Anders anyone is pretty much sane.


I don't think Merill was insane in any way, shape or form. What she was was passionate about elven heritage and restoring the eluvian.

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cjones91 wrote...

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Hehe - you like to go all the way. I have to admit, it was fun wiping out Merrill's tribe, after I got over the initial shock at their reaction.

PC: But the keeper got herself possessed...

Dalish: Doesn't matter - we're killing you just because

That does'nt happen if you accept responsiblity on Merrill's behalf.


It didn't make RP'ing sense to take that option. The only one responsible for the Keeper's actions is the keeper, and there's no logical reason this should back the Dalish down from being hell-bent on punishing the nearest scapegoat for their keeper's demise.

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Okay,then look at Bethany and Merrill.Both are mages who knew the dangers of magic and yet they did'nt go crazy like the vast number of apostates in Kirkwall.


Bethany isn't a blood mage.

Merrill is probably one of the biggest screwups in the series.

Modifié par Morocco Mole, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:33 .


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This is the mentality of a Templar.


I suppose those big phallic staffs don't count

Modifié par Morocco Mole, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:32 .