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[Shadow Fox]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Get back to me when Reavers are summoning demons, becoming abominations, and tearing the veil to pieces.

In order to gain the skill of a Reaver don't one must make a dangerous deal with a demon?

No just drink dragon blood.

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

[Hellion Rex]

Do we agree then that Sten's depiction of Calenhad being a reaver makes sense?

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

Does the high dragon actually control them, or do they simply worship it as cultists?

[Hellion Rex]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Get back to me when Reavers are summoning demons, becoming abominations, and tearing the veil to pieces.

In order to gain the skill of a Reaver don't one must make a dangerous deal with a demon?

No just drink dragon blood.

Or learn it from a demon.

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Get back to me when Reavers are summoning demons, becoming abominations, and tearing the veil to pieces.

In order to gain the skill of a Reaver don't one must make a dangerous deal with a demon?

No just drink dragon blood.

Or learn it from a demon.

You can only become a true Reaver through dragon's blood. 

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

Does the high dragon actually control them, or do they simply worship it as cultists?

It seems that it's much deeper than simple control by religion, and really it doesn't matter. Either way, they still serve. 

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

There's that spec you get in Warden's Keep that is closer to "Warrior/Rogue Blood Mage" that some people are thinking of

The "Power of Blood" School is definitely closer to traditional blood magic, especially considering a maleficar taught you about it. However, I woudl still argue that reavers still practice a type of blood magic. They use that dragon blood as a means to magically gain strength through blood and pain.

[Xilizhra]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

Male dragons never mature beyond drake status, remember. I'm sure the high dragon isn't controlled, but the lesser ones may well be. Certainly the dragons aren't hostile to the reavers, despite the reavers periodically killing dragonlings to restore their dragon blood supplies.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Get back to me when Reavers are summoning demons, becoming abominations, and tearing the veil to pieces.

Kolgrim could create ash wraiths, so that seems to be one down. And they might not be abominations, but they can control dragons to some extent, which seems rather formidable.

Pretty sure that was the mage with him.

Eirik? The codex entry talking about the creation of ash wraiths doesn't mention him or any other mages, just how Kolgrim could make them.

Does it? I thought it just mentioned what he thinks is responsible for the creation of the Ash Wraiths based on research.

[Xilizhra]

Does it? I thought it just mentioned what he thinks is responsible for the creation of the Ash Wraiths based on research.

No, he mentions the components that he uses too (a special taper and a black pearl).

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, I agree that Reaver is a form of blood magic. And the chantry would probably be more on its toes about it if it was as common, or accessible, as normal run of the mill blood magic. But they don't seem to be very common and even Haven was a very obscure town that the chantry probably didn't know about. Since they likely wouldn't tolerate such an extreme change of religious doctrine.

True. Reavers seem to be much more rare than the traditional blood mage. I mean, did we even really see that many reavers in DA2? I honestly cannot think of any off the top of my head.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Does it? I thought it just mentioned what he thinks is responsible for the creation of the Ash Wraiths based on research.

No, he mentions the components that he uses too (a special taper and a black pearl).

So perhaps Reavers do have more possible magical capabilities than we first assumed. 

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

Male dragons never mature beyond drake status, remember. I'm sure the high dragon isn't controlled, but the lesser ones may well be. Certainly the dragons aren't hostile to the reavers, despite the reavers periodically killing dragonlings to restore their dragon blood supplies.

Why would a high dragon allow that? She controls her drakes and their children. Also, dragon's blood cannot come from a dead dragon. They must get it from the beating heart of a dragon that is still alive. 

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, I agree that Reaver is a form of blood magic. And the chantry would probably be more on its toes about it if it was as common, or accessible, as normal run of the mill blood magic. But they don't seem to be very common and even Haven was a very obscure town that the chantry probably didn't know about. Since they likely wouldn't tolerate such an extreme change of religious doctrine.

True. Reavers seem to be much more rare than the traditional blood mage. I mean, did we even really see that many reavers in DA2? I honestly cannot think of any off the top of my head.

We saw...one or two people who had the ability....maybe....but I don't think they were officially called Reavers. And that's also possible because Kirkwall's Bone Pit was practically a dragon-nest with a High Dragon nearby (that didn't who itself until act 3)

[Xilizhra]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

Male dragons never mature beyond drake status, remember. I'm sure the high dragon isn't controlled, but the lesser ones may well be. Certainly the dragons aren't hostile to the reavers, despite the reavers periodically killing dragonlings to restore their dragon blood supplies.

Why would a high dragon allow that? She controls her drakes and their children. Also, dragon's blood cannot come from a dead dragon. They must get it from the beating heart of a dragon that is still alive. 

The codex entry on dragon cults mentions it.

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Does it? I thought it just mentioned what he thinks is responsible for the creation of the Ash Wraiths based on research.

No, he mentions the components that he uses too (a special taper and a black pearl).

So perhaps Reavers do have more possible magical capabilities than we first assumed. 

The Warden can do it without being a Reaver or magically inclined. 

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

True. Reavers seem to be much more rare than the traditional blood mage. I mean, did we even really see that many reavers in DA2? I honestly cannot think of any off the top of my head.

There's Hawke. But that's more of a gameplay thing than an actual lore one. But I don't remember if you fought any or not since the generic mobs blend into each other after act 1.

The "reaver" enemy type periodically pops up in DA2, usually with raiders.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Xilizhra wrote...

Does it? I thought it just mentioned what he thinks is responsible for the creation of the Ash Wraiths based on research.

No, he mentions the components that he uses too (a special taper and a black pearl).

Yeah I'm pretty sure he doesn't mention that he uses them, just that it's what the legends says Andraste's disciples used to supposedly become Ash Wraiths. The nature of Ash Wraiths is left ambigious in the lore, it's not clear whther they are truley Andraste's discples become Ash Wraiths or spirits from the Fade.

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

They don't control the dragons. Its implied that the dragons control them.

The high dragon might, but I don't think the lesser ones are intelligent enough to do so... and it's the reavers who are maintaining the dragon nests.

The "lesser," I say that because many of them are just unmature not lesser, dragons are not controled by Reavers either. Why would a high dragon allow that? Serve now, or serve later, the dragons as a whole are still controlling them. 

Male dragons never mature beyond drake status, remember. I'm sure the high dragon isn't controlled, but the lesser ones may well be. Certainly the dragons aren't hostile to the reavers, despite the reavers periodically killing dragonlings to restore their dragon blood supplies.

Why would a high dragon allow that? She controls her drakes and their children. Also, dragon's blood cannot come from a dead dragon. They must get it from the beating heart of a dragon that is still alive. 

The codex entry on dragon cults mentions it.

The codex entry on Dragon's Blood contradicts it. 

[Steelcan]

Bra3d,

obviously picking and choosing what codex entries are canon is not your strong suit.