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[Lotion Soronarr]

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Enchanters were suposeed to discuss improvements to the Circles, NOT plot secession, NOT hide abominations/demons and NOT murder their fellow mages.

Only one did the actual murder and the vote for separation would have been overruled if the meeting continued.

And when the tempalrs came in to arrest that murderer and when they revealed the demon they harbored, the mages attacked.

Yeah, I'd say Lambert had EVERY right to lock them all up untill he figured up who was involed in the murders and the friggin DEMON.

For the record, we do not know if Cole is a demon. And also, the mages beyond Adrian, Rhys, and Wynne, knew NOTHING of Cole. The mages were attacking because of Lambert's restrictions and oppression.

[cjones91]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Enchanters were suposeed to discuss improvements to the Circles, NOT plot secession, NOT hide abominations/demons and NOT murder their fellow mages.

Only one did the actual murder and the vote for separation would have been overruled if the meeting continued.

And when the tempalrs came in to arrest that murderer and when they revealed the demon they harbored, the mages attacked.

Yeah, I'd say Lambert had EVERY right to lock them all up untill he figured up who was involed in the murders and the friggin DEMON.

The mages did'nt attack until one of the enchanters was accidently killed by a templar,that's when **** really hit the fan.

[cjones91]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

And I will tell them to knock it off or else.

Edit:The mundanes should consider themselves lucky that the mages did'nt want to act like what the Chantry portrays them to be.Because if I was a mage and a group of mundanes killed my family and were about to kill me then I would unleash fiery hell on them.

Modifié par cjones91, 31 octobre 2013 - 06:41 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

[Hazegurl]

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
As for the case of Ser Rylon, it is true that they tried to kill him because he was an abomination, but that doesn't discount that a templar (with his lyrium addiction included) started following him around everywhere. Now, I'm not justifying or defending Anders or Rylon's actions in the short story, simply stating that Anders did have reason to be paranoid, and Rylon didn't give the impression that he cared one bit about what Anders thought.

It's not paranoia if they are out to get you, after all.

Assigned by the Wardens.
Now Wardens aren't idiots so having a templar with a mage is a good idea - especially for Anders since he's such a heap of trouble wherever he goes.
Simply put, there is no evidence whatsoever that Rylon was only there becuse the templars forced the Wardens. Templars can harldy force the Wardens to do anything anyway, and I doult they would make a fuss over Anders - if anything they would be happy to see him go.

Either way, Anders was an abomintion and he knew very well what that means and the consequences it would entail.

The problem with your argument is that the Grey Wardens don't share the same attitudes towards mages as the Chantry does so they would'nt have templars following their mages around.The Chantry had basically told the Wardens"Hey you better recruit this templar into your ranks otherwise we will make a huge fuss over the fact that you have a wanted apostate in your order."To be honest I don't think the Wardens wanted the head ache and so they decided to appease the Chantry by recruiting Ser Rylon.

Except the whole thing seems so contrived. Ser Rolon could have easily died during the joining. What would the Chantry do? Keep sending in Templars to face death just to capture one conscripted mage? That sounds like the real headache. And who are the morons that would volunteer for such a thing? And why tell Anders he was a Templar? That alone could send off warning signals to someone you're trying to watch.

If anything the Wardens let a Templar in and didn't think much about teaming him up with Anders. Anders became an abomination and went crazy and started mumbling about injustice etc and passed out. While he was out the Wardens talked and didn't want to keep an abomination in their group and sent the Templar member to deal with it.  Based on Anders own account of coming to it seems as though the Wardens weren't even expecting him to be an abomination.

In other words, Anders IS delusional.


 

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

My god, the arrogance...

It is hardly stupid or blind to want to be treated like real people instead of some creature less than human.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Enchanters were suposeed to discuss improvements to the Circles, NOT plot secession, NOT hide abominations/demons and NOT murder their fellow mages.

Only one did the actual murder and the vote for separation would have been overruled if the meeting continued.

And when the tempalrs came in to arrest that murderer and when they revealed the demon they harbored, the mages attacked.

Yeah, I'd say Lambert had EVERY right to lock them all up untill he figured up who was involed in the murders and the friggin DEMON.

For the record, we do not know if Cole is a demon. And also, the mages beyond Adrian, Rhys, and Wynne, knew NOTHING of Cole. The mages were attacking because of Lambert's restrictions and oppression.

We know he isn't human, and thus he is a threat.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

My god, the arrogance...

It is hardly stupid or blind to want to be treated like real people instead of some creature less than human.

Actually an argument could be made that they are being treated as something MORE than human, which is why they are segregated. If they were ever free, they would eventually take over. Natural selection and all.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 31 octobre 2013 - 06:44 .

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Enchanters were suposeed to discuss improvements to the Circles, NOT plot secession, NOT hide abominations/demons and NOT murder their fellow mages.

Only one did the actual murder and the vote for separation would have been overruled if the meeting continued.

And when the tempalrs came in to arrest that murderer and when they revealed the demon they harbored, the mages attacked.

Yeah, I'd say Lambert had EVERY right to lock them all up untill he figured up who was involed in the murders and the friggin DEMON.

For the record, we do not know if Cole is a demon. And also, the mages beyond Adrian, Rhys, and Wynne, knew NOTHING of Cole. The mages were attacking because of Lambert's restrictions and oppression.

We know he isn't human, and thus he is a threat.

How can we label him as a threat merely because he is not human. And for the record, he was born of Templar negligence. 

[cjones91]

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

My god, the arrogance...

It is hardly stupid or blind to want to be treated like real people instead of some creature less than human.

Sadly,that's how some people think.They believe if a group is the majority then everyone else should just **** off and deal with being mistreated.

[dragonflight288]

We know he isn't human, and thus he is a threat.

I just have to be snarky here.

We know Bianca isn't a human, but in the hands of Varric, she is most definitely a thread.
We know the Hero of Ferelden (if dwarf or elf) isn't human and so is a threat.
We know that even benevolent spirits aren't human, and therefore must be a threat.
We know that cats aren't human, and that makes them a threat.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Enchanters were suposeed to discuss improvements to the Circles, NOT plot secession, NOT hide abominations/demons and NOT murder their fellow mages.

Only one did the actual murder and the vote for separation would have been overruled if the meeting continued.

And when the tempalrs came in to arrest that murderer and when they revealed the demon they harbored, the mages attacked.

Yeah, I'd say Lambert had EVERY right to lock them all up untill he figured up who was involed in the murders and the friggin DEMON.

For the record, we do not know if Cole is a demon. And also, the mages beyond Adrian, Rhys, and Wynne, knew NOTHING of Cole. The mages were attacking because of Lambert's restrictions and oppression.

We know he isn't human, and thus he is a threat.

How can we label him as a threat merely because he is not human. And for the record, he was born of Templar negligence. 

Any creature of the Fade, wether a Spirit or a Demon is a threat.

[LOLandStuff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.

lol

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

We know he isn't human, and thus he is a threat.

I just have to be snarky here.

We know Bianca isn't a human, but in the hands of Varric, she is most definitely a thread.
We know the Hero of Ferelden (if dwarf or elf) isn't human and so is a threat.
We know that even benevolent spirits aren't human, and therefore must be a threat.
We know that cats aren't human, and that makes them a threat.

Well I hope you got it out of your system 

But I hope my point got across, and that I don't have to list all the natural species of Thedas, to actually get the point across.

[cjones91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

My god, the arrogance...

It is hardly stupid or blind to want to be treated like real people instead of some creature less than human.

Actually an argument could be made that they are being treated as something MORE than human, which is why they are segregated. If they were ever free, they would eventually take over. Natural selection and all.

There will be a time where more mages will be born that the Chantry won't have anywhere to lock them up,so both sides will have to come to a peaceful agreement or spend the next couple of centuries killing each other,

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Enchanters were suposeed to discuss improvements to the Circles, NOT plot secession, NOT hide abominations/demons and NOT murder their fellow mages.

Only one did the actual murder and the vote for separation would have been overruled if the meeting continued.

And when the tempalrs came in to arrest that murderer and when they revealed the demon they harbored, the mages attacked.

Yeah, I'd say Lambert had EVERY right to lock them all up untill he figured up who was involed in the murders and the friggin DEMON.

For the record, we do not know if Cole is a demon. And also, the mages beyond Adrian, Rhys, and Wynne, knew NOTHING of Cole. The mages were attacking because of Lambert's restrictions and oppression.

We know he isn't human, and thus he is a threat.

How can we label him as a threat merely because he is not human. And for the record, he was born of Templar negligence. 

Any creature of the Fade, wether a Spirit or a Demon is a threat.

Cole bears watching yes. But I wouldn't immediately classify him as a threat.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LOLandStuff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.

lol

Indeed. But the second that the Warden Commander went along with Anders' idea he had chosen a side. WHich would be strictly against Warden policy.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

My god, the arrogance...

It is hardly stupid or blind to want to be treated like real people instead of some creature less than human.

Actually an argument could be made that they are being treated as something MORE than human, which is why they are segregated. If they were ever free, they would eventually take over. Natural selection and all.

There will be a time where more mages will be born that the Chantry won't have anywhere to lock them up,so both sides will have to come to a peaceful agreement or spend the next couple of centuries killing each other,

And if Sandal's words are true, magic is coming back. And I do not think the world will be able to stop it.

[cjones91]

LOLandStuff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.

lol

To be fair I would'nt be surprised if Rylock set the whole thing up.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

Which is understandable but they may as well wish for self-replinishing baskets of bread.
The inhabitants of Thedas have always striven for dominance over each other: humans over elves, Tevinter over everyone else, orlesians over fereldens and yes, mages over non-mages.
For a thousand years, the mages were dominant; then the non-mages rebelled and have been dominants in their areas of Thedas ever since. Now the mages are rebelling and it remains to be seen if they will dominate for another period of time or if the non-mages will keep their position.
And then, in a decade, a century, a millenia, mages and non-mages will fight each other again for dominance. And again, and again, etc.

Honestly, at leas the non-mages tried to do their best for the mages. Even today, non-mages in Tevinter are luggage, no different from a chair or a table. They aren't living in luxurious towers where their needs are provided for and are given political representation.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.

lol

Indeed. But the second that the Warden Commander went along with Anders' idea he had chosen a side. WHich would be strictly against Warden policy.

Nah, he is just protecting one of his/her own, as a friend or a commander. Siding with Anders does not necessarily mean you are choosing a side.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.

lol

To be fair I would'nt be surprised if Rylock set the whole thing up.

She kinda did.

[dragonflight288]

cjones91 wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.

And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.

lol

To be fair I would'nt be surprised if Rylock set the whole thing up.

Also to be fair....there's no evidence one way or another that she was rogue or if she had the Chantry's permission. The Chantry as a whole would have to use the phylacteries as bait, but if Rylock knew about them and that they had been moved, she could easily have simply leaked the information about their former location out to trap Anders.

Her line says the "Chantry's authority supercedes the crown," shows that she genuinely believes that Chantry and its templars are above the law. But no evidence suggests that she is acting alone or with permission.

[dragonflight288]

Honestly, at leas the non-mages tried to do their best for the mages. Even today, non-mages in Tevinter are luggage, no different from a chair or a table. They aren't living in luxurious towers where their needs are provided for and are given political representation.

They also aren't ripped from their parents at birth if born in that tower, nor are they forcibly removed of all emotions if they are deemed weak, and nor are they slaughtered in a sanctioned genocide for the actions of others.