Where are the numbers that indicate this?cjones91 wrote...
There will be a time where more mages will be born that the Chantry won't have anywhere to lock them up,
The history between mages and non-mages is one of small periods of peace in an endless chain of hatred. They're already killing each other. If the number of mages increase, all that will lead to is bloodier battles.spend the next couple of centuries killing each other,
I get what you are saying, but I am referring to the average, everyday mage, not the ones who want mage supremacy. I am just making the argument for mages who just want to be treated fairly, and justly.MisterJB wrote...
Which is understandable but they may as well wish for self-replinishing baskets of bread.eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"
The inhabitants of Thedas have always striven for dominance over each other: humans over elves, Tevinter over everyone else, orlesians over fereldens and yes, mages over non-mages.
For a thousand years, the mages were dominant; then the non-mages rebelled and have been dominants in their areas of Thedas ever since. Now the mages are rebelling and it remains to be seen if they will dominate for another period of time or if the non-mages will keep their position.
And then, in a decade, a century, a millenia, mages and non-mages will fight each other again for dominance. And again, and again, etc.
Honestly, at leas the non-mages tried to do their best for the mages. Even today, non-mages in Tevinter are luggage, no different from a chair or a table. They aren't living in luxurious towers where their needs are provided for and are given political representation.
Anders would be destroying Chantry property. The Warden would be actively helping. The Chantry would be allowed to defend its property.eluvianix wrote...
Nah, he is just protecting one of his/her own, as a friend or a commander. Siding with Anders does not necessarily mean you are choosing a side.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Indeed. But the second that the Warden Commander went along with Anders' idea he had chosen a side. WHich would be strictly against Warden policy.LOLandStuff wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.HiroVoid wrote...
Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.
And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.
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No, I just meant it in the sense that you are helping a friend, outside of the whole debate of mages vs. templars.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Anders would be destroying Chantry property. The Warden would be actively helping. The Chantry would be allowed to defend its property.eluvianix wrote...
Nah, he is just protecting one of his/her own, as a friend or a commander. Siding with Anders does not necessarily mean you are choosing a side.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Indeed. But the second that the Warden Commander went along with Anders' idea he had chosen a side. WHich would be strictly against Warden policy.LOLandStuff wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Shhhhhh! The use of logic is a banable ofense on BSN.HiroVoid wrote...
Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.
And don't forget the counterargument: There were no phylacteries. It was all a trap to lure Anders.
lol
And how were they going to do that?Fereldan would have kicked the Chantry out instead especially if the Warden is King/Queen.Hazegurl wrote...
True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.
Except the Chantry has no dominion over the Wardens.Hazegurl wrote...
True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.
dragonflight288 wrote...
They also aren't ripped from their parents at birth if born in that tower,
Mages can do WHATEVER they wish to non-mages in the Imperium and there is not a single law protecting them.nor are they forcibly removed of all emotions if they are deemed weak, and nor are they slaughtered in a sanctioned genocide for the actions of others.
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Ferelden is not particularly fond of Grey Wardens either. Though recent events might have endeared the populace a bit more. Still teh sudden rise to power the Grey Wardens ahve done in Ferelden, is sure to leave a bad taste in the mouth of Ferelden nobles.cjones91 wrote...
And how were they going to do that?Fereldan would have kicked the Chantry out instead especially if the Warden is King/Queen.Hazegurl wrote...
True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.
Cullen says more mages are being born every day,if we were to predict the numbers then for 20 non mage familys atleast a sizable number will have mages born into them.I'm simply making the point that the Chantry won't be able to lock every mage up because it's impossible.MisterJB wrote...
Where are the numbers that indicate this?cjones91 wrote...
There will be a time where more mages will be born that the Chantry won't have anywhere to lock them up,The history between mages and non-mages is one of small periods of peace in an endless chain of hatred. They're already killing each other. If the number of mages increase, all that will lead to is bloodier battles.spend the next couple of centuries killing each other,
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Well the nobles can suck it up.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Ferelden is not particularly fond of Grey Wardens either. Though recent events might have endeared the populace a bit more. Still teh sudden rise to power the Grey Wardens ahve done in Ferelden, is sure to leave a bad taste in the mouth of Ferelden nobles.cjones91 wrote...
And how were they going to do that?Fereldan would have kicked the Chantry out instead especially if the Warden is King/Queen.Hazegurl wrote...
True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.
Not really since the Warden saved their skin from the darkspawn.In some of the endings he/she becomes a local celebrity so Fereldan would'nt sell their hero down the river just because the Chantry said so.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Ferelden is not particularly fond of Grey Wardens either. Though recent events might have endeared the populace a bit more. Still teh sudden rise to power the Grey Wardens ahve done in Ferelden, is sure to leave a bad taste in the mouth of Ferelden nobles.cjones91 wrote...
And how were they going to do that?Fereldan would have kicked the Chantry out instead especially if the Warden is King/Queen.Hazegurl wrote...
True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.
eluvianix wrote...
Nah, he is just protecting one of his/her own, as a friend or a commander. Siding with Anders does not necessarily mean you are choosing a side.
eluvianix wrote...
Well the nobles can suck it up.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Ferelden is not particularly fond of Grey Wardens either. Though recent events might have endeared the populace a bit more. Still teh sudden rise to power the Grey Wardens ahve done in Ferelden, is sure to leave a bad taste in the mouth of Ferelden nobles.cjones91 wrote...
And how were they going to do that?Fereldan would have kicked the Chantry out instead especially if the Warden is King/Queen.Hazegurl wrote...
True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.
Hazegurl wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Nah, he is just protecting one of his/her own, as a friend or a commander. Siding with Anders does not necessarily mean you are choosing a side.
But as a representative of a group with certain values you have to be more mindful of your actions and recognize how it makes not only you but your entire organization look. You can't just say you were doing a solid for a friend and get away with it. Any Warden Commander who helps Anders is jeopardizing their entire organization by getting themselves involved with the government. What if it wasn't a trap and Anders destroys every bottle in the room? The Wardens would be facing a major incident.
dragonflight288 wrote...
@ MisterJB
Oh, we're talking about Tevinter. My bad.
To be fair, Tevinter also has mage slaves as well.
More elves are born every day as well but I don't see them becoming a majority anytime soon.cjones91 wrote...
Cullen says more mages are being born every day,if we were to predict the numbers then for 20 non mage familys atleast a sizable number will have mages born into them.I'm simply making the point that the Chantry won't be able to lock every mage up because it's impossible.
MisterJB wrote...
More elves are born every day as well but I don't see them becoming a majority anytime soon.cjones91 wrote...
Cullen says more mages are being born every day,if we were to predict the numbers then for 20 non mage familys atleast a sizable number will have mages born into them.I'm simply making the point that the Chantry won't be able to lock every mage up because it's impossible.
Calling it "mage supremacy" is a bit simplistic.eluvianix wrote...
I get what you are saying, but I am referring to the average, everyday mage, not the ones who want mage supremacy. I am just making the argument for mages who just want to be treated fairly, and justly.
MisterJB wrote...
So, the well being of the dozen First Enchanters Lambert imprisioned takes precedence over the lives of the thousands that will die in this war?eluvianix wrote...
And all things considered, the Divine did her job. She helped the mages who she felt were being oppressed during Lambert's lockdown when Pharamond was retrieved.
You raise a good point.The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
So, the well being of the dozen First Enchanters Lambert imprisioned takes precedence over the lives of the thousands that will die in this war?eluvianix wrote...
And all things considered, the Divine did her job. She helped the mages who she felt were being oppressed during Lambert's lockdown when Pharamond was retrieved.
The war that would have happened anyway, should the divine do anything her subordinate the knight commander didn't like. I believe when a person orders you to stand down, it's your job to stand down. Not doing so makes him as much a insubordinate traitor as a mage would be disobeying a templars orders to not fight against them.
eluvianix wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
@ MisterJB
Oh, we're talking about Tevinter. My bad.
To be fair, Tevinter also has mage slaves as well.
They must be terrible mages to be demoted so low. Otherwise, I feel like Tevinter would cultivate and snatch up magical talent in a heartbeat.
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