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[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.

Except the Chantry has no dominion over the Wardens.

The Chantry can appeal to the ruler, nobility, etc. You forget that the wardens were just now coming back into power during the Blight and only because of Calian who admired them. Duncan certainly had to tow the line even then. So yeah, if they got rid of them before, they could do it again, or figure out ways to limit their power. You think any ruler will risk angering the main religious order of their country? Just see Alistair in DA2.

 Saving everyone from the Blight doesn't mean you get to just do whatever you like whenever you like and face zero consequences for your actions. The Wardens can't conscript all magaes, nor can they just run around destroying phylacteries.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

You really have a way with providing easily twisted around statements, you know that?

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if Sandal's prophecy is right, we might be getting a fully magical world very soon.

Sandal's prophecy could mean anything.
"The magic will come back" could just as easily refer to the Veil disappearing and a surge of demons invading the material world; as we see them doing in the trailer; which would prompt people to work towards closing it rather than accepting magic.
I very much doubt we will have a "Synthesis" type ending because one of the devs already confirmed that the issue of Mages vs Templars will not be solved in DAI; which implies mages will remain a distinct group of people who pose danger to normal people; and, since DAI will not be the last game of the series, they won't get rid of the Warrior and Rogue classes.

[dragonflight288]

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

True, the Warden Commander of all people should have remained out of it. Grey Wardens are neutral, destroying phylacteries is not a neutral act. The warden Commander better be lucky the Chantry didn't decide to boot them out again for doing that.

Except the Chantry has no dominion over the Wardens.

The Chantry can appeal to the ruler, nobility, etc. You forget that the wardens were just now coming back into power during the Blight and only because of Calian who admired them. Duncan certainly had to tow the line even then. So yeah, if they got rid of them before, they could do it again, or figure out ways to limit their power. You think any ruler will risk angering the main religious order of their country? Just see Alistair in DA2.

 Saving everyone from the Blight doesn't mean you get to just do whatever you like whenever you like and face zero consequences for your actions. The Wardens can't conscript all magaes, nor can they just run around destroying phylacteries.

The Chantry didn't do either when it comes to Grey Warden mages in Awakening and implied in Anders' short story. In fact, Alistair/Anora allow the conscription to take place so the Chantry and its templars have no room for error on their actions there.

Granted, the wardens are limited in how much they can exercise their authority, and they can't get involved in Chantry business either, and that includes the phylacteries.

Personally, I would've liked the option to conscript Ser Rylock instead of Anders and see what happened then.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Why is everyone saying rylock was a grey warden?

[LOLandStuff]

No one said that.

[dragonflight288]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Why is everyone saying rylock was a grey warden?

They're referring to Rylon, a templar made a grey warden from Anders' short story. When we mention Rylock, we're talking about a templar who is directly interfering with Warden business, who in turn were actually breaking into a Chantry vault to destroy a phylactery, so it's kind of a discussion on whether the templars interfered with the Wardens of if the Wardens interfered with the Chantry.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

LOLandStuff wrote...

No one said that.

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in
Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to
attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went
into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were
completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey
Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told
Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:16 .

[MisterJB]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
The war that would have happened anyway, should the divine do anything her subordinate the knight commander didn't like. I believe when a person orders you to stand down, it's your job to stand down. Not doing so makes him as much a insubordinate traitor as a mage would be disobeying a templars orders to not fight against them.

If need be, Lambert could have been dealt with in a manner that didn't empower the mages.

[Lord Raijin]

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Where's this short story with this rylon person, and why does he not show up in google searches when looking up "rylon dragon age"?

[Br3admax]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

[dragonflight288]

MisterJB wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
The war that would have happened anyway, should the divine do anything her subordinate the knight commander didn't like. I believe when a person orders you to stand down, it's your job to stand down. Not doing so makes him as much a insubordinate traitor as a mage would be disobeying a templars orders to not fight against them.

If need be, Lambert could have been dealt with in a manner that didn't empower the mages.

Allowing the vote to go through legitimately would be a start. It's heavily implied that Fiona didn't have the support to get her way, and that Wynne would've talked sense into the others.

[dragonflight288]

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

She is possessed by that spirit, calls on its power in Origins when we get ambushed by an Emissary and can call on the spirit's power after that scene.

In Asunder, she passes the spirit from herself into Evangeline the templar in order to save Evangeline's life, and dies immediately after the spirit has left her body.

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

I don't see Wynne killing inocent people, including young mages they are ment to protect.

Modifié par Mr.House, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:20 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

MisterJB wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
The war that would have happened anyway, should the divine do anything her subordinate the knight commander didn't like. I believe when a person orders you to stand down, it's your job to stand down. Not doing so makes him as much a insubordinate traitor as a mage would be disobeying a templars orders to not fight against them.

If need be, Lambert could have been dealt with in a manner that didn't empower the mages.

He seemed to have more control over the templars and possibly the seekers then the divine did. And he seemed to be working to undermine her authority from the start, sending a templar with instructions to kill anyone who found a alternative to tranquility, arresting the enchanters, effectively telling her to go screw at the end of the book. The fact that the other templars follow his led isn't a good sign for them being a legitimate orginization who follows the proper rules, laws, and protocol of their supposed authority comes with.

[dragonflight288]

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

I don't see Wynne killing inocent people, including young mages they are ment to protect.

The point was that according to the templars own rules, if they knew Wynne was possessed, she'd be executed on the spot.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Ahh fiona, there's a mage I'd like to throw off the castle battlements.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

I concur. But still, what in the world do we call her?

[dragonflight288]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
The war that would have happened anyway, should the divine do anything her subordinate the knight commander didn't like. I believe when a person orders you to stand down, it's your job to stand down. Not doing so makes him as much a insubordinate traitor as a mage would be disobeying a templars orders to not fight against them.

If need be, Lambert could have been dealt with in a manner that didn't empower the mages.

He seemed to have more control over the templars and possibly the seekers then the divine did. And he seemed to be working to undermine her authority from the start, sending a templar with instructions to kill anyone who found a alternative to tranquility, arresting the enchanters, effectively telling her to go screw at the end of the book. The fact that the other templars follow his led isn't a good sign for them being a legitimate orginization who follows the proper rules, laws, and protocol of their supposed authority comes with.

Totally agree.

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Ahh fiona, there's a mage I'd like to throw off the castle battlements.

Nope, Adrian goes out the window first.

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

I concur. But still, what in the world do we call her?

An elderly, living zombie?

[Mr.House]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Ahh fiona, there's a mage I'd like to throw off the castle battlements.

Eh, Adrian comes first.

Modifié par Mr.House, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:22 .

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

She is possessed by that spirit, calls on its power in Origins when we get ambushed by an Emissary and can call on the spirit's power after that scene.

In Asunder, she passes the spirit from herself into Evangeline the templar in order to save Evangeline's life, and dies immediately after the spirit has left her body.

But is not a run of the mill possession though. I feel it is a lot more than that. I would call it a very symbiotic relationship, and nearly a merger that is more complete than Anders and Justice could attain.

[addiction21]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

No one said that.

HiroVoid wrote...

Wait. Is Rylock the Grey Warden in
Awakening? No offense, but I'd honestly say she had every right to
attack the Grey Wardens after the Grey Warden Commander blatantly went
into the warehouse where the Chantry's blood tracker bottles were
completely going against the Grey Warden's neutrality pact. Any Grey
Warden that actually wanted to keep to that philosiphy would have told
Anders 'no' the moment he asked about it.

That's someone asking a question not making a statement.

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Where's this short story with this rylon person, and why does he not show up in google searches when looking up "rylon dragon age"?

http://dragonage.bio...racters/anders/

Maybe you should of tried Anders short story Dragon Age?