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[The Flying Grey Warden]

Mr.House wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Ahh fiona, there's a mage I'd like to throw off the castle battlements.

Eh, Adrian comes first.

Why not both at once? We'll make it a physics experiement. Which one hits the ground first.

[Mr.House]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Ahh fiona, there's a mage I'd like to throw off the castle battlements.

Eh, Adrian comes first.

Why not both at once? We'll make it a physics experiement. Which one hits the ground first.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So one question - should templars execute Wynne because she's an "abomination"?

Anders - Possessed
Wynne - Possessed

Just because Wynne is a woman and old doesn't mean that she should get special treatment. She is an abomination just as well as Anders, and therefour deserves to be executed by the templars.

Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

I concur. But still, what in the world do we call her?

An elderly, living zombie?

Its not like she was a reanimated corpse. This is a Spirit that managed to literally return true life to the deceased. Which demonstrates how frickin powerful a Spirit of Faith can become.

[Lord Raijin]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Can I blame them for being a dick about the whole affair?

Also, I do have a bit of a problem with the chantry trying to snake their way into the grey wardens. A grey warden should be a warden first, and everything else second. Otherwise you could get really stupid people joining the grey wardens who take their own bias's and perogatives and try to push them inside this place where they don't belong.

Like anders and the whole mage things. He was a grey warden now, he should have remembered that over himself being a mage.

Also, what would happen with a person like anders or rylon/rylock/whatever the hell it's name is if the wardens had to do something like deal with a group of apostate mages fleeing their blight filled country? Or had to stand up to local chantry authority who was getting in their way, ala the followers of andraste? Would they turn on their fellow wardens if the decision wasn't one they agreed with?

People with too much past baggage make terrible grey wardens, imo.

I agree with you entirely.

Anders was more than forced to become a Grey Warden due to such shortage of Wardens after the Blight. They were desperate for recruitments to keep their military organization alive and healthy. They saw a healthy apostate who not only was an experienced mage, but also useful for training other mages in the Grey.

Anders did not truly wanted to become a Grey Warden, but had to because he was being chased down by the templars. It was his safe haven for a while. It was either go back to the Circle tower where he would most likely be executed or stick around with the Grey wardens for a while.

Anders was not a Grey warden in the heart.

[Dave of Canada]

Throw out the Divine and Fiona for the physics test, it'll leave a public message to the mages.

[dragonflight288]

But is not a run of the mill possession though. I feel it is a lot more than that. I would call it a very symbiotic relationship, and nearly a merger that is more complete than Anders and Justice could attain.

This reminds me of one of Morrigan's quotes when we ask about Flemeth being a mindless abomination, and if abominations are usually mindless horrors.

Morrigan: How often is this usually? Is it always? If it's not always, then when is it not so?

I think Wynne falls into the category of when it isn't so, and Anders only to a certain extent in that he has his own mind the majority of the time.

[Hazegurl]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

Who in their right minds will continue to sit in their "cage" and allow the majority to just simply decide what is right and wrong for them? Only an idiot would, to be honest. There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself even if you are a minority. IMO, Mages should have used other tactics to gain their freedom but instead opted for a war. Which will do nothing but prove the Templars right about the danger they pose. I honestly can't see how mages could live free in Thedas now.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Wow. A pdf file just labeled anders. Not even enough to have a entry on the dragon age wiki.

This puts a whole new perspective on what some people will consider relevant or canon.

[dragonflight288]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

Who in their right minds will continue to sit in their "cage" and allow the majority to just simply decide what is right and wrong for them? Only an idiot would, to be honest. There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself even if you are a minority. IMO, Mages should have used other tactics to gain their freedom but instead opted for a war. Which will do nothing but prove the Templars right about the danger they pose. I honestly can't see how mages could live free in Thedas now.

I agree, to a point.

Technically the mages didn't declare war at all. They voted on independence, and the Chantry decided to allow it to happen.

However, Lambert and his cronies felt the Chantry was being too soft and left the Chantry themselves to attack the mages, and force them back into the Circles or wipe them all out, whether through death or tranquility.

[LOLandStuff]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Where's this short story with this rylon person, and why does he not show up in google searches when looking up "rylon dragon age"?

Here

[AresKeith]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Throw out the Divine and Fiona for the physics test, it'll leave a public message to the mages.

Why the Divine?

[The Flying Grey Warden]

LOLandStuff wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Where's this short story with this rylon person, and why does he not show up in google searches when looking up "rylon dragon age"?

Here

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Wow. A pdf file just labeled anders. Not even enough to have a entry on the dragon age wiki.

This puts a whole new perspective on what some people will consider relevant or canon.

[Hazegurl]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
That is total crap Lotion. The minority in this game simply does not want to be oppressed and hated for being born as they are.
It has nothing to do with "appreciation"

The minority are idiots, wanting things they cannot have and crying and whining over everything.
Their demands endanger everyone else (including them), but they are too stupid and too blind to see it.

Yeah, mages have every right to want more.
But the mundanes have every right to deny them that.

Who in their right minds will continue to sit in their "cage" and allow the majority to just simply decide what is right and wrong for them? Only an idiot would, to be honest. There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself even if you are a minority. IMO, Mages should have used other tactics to gain their freedom but instead opted for a war. Which will do nothing but prove the Templars right about the danger they pose. I honestly can't see how mages could live free in Thedas now.

I agree, to a point.

Technically the mages didn't declare war at all. They voted on independence, and the Chantry decided to allow it to happen.

However, Lambert and his cronies felt the Chantry was being too soft and left the Chantry themselves to attack the mages, and force them back into the Circles or wipe them all out, whether through death or tranquility.

IMO, The Divine mishandled the entire situation. I can't blame the Templars for going after them. I just think that it would have been nice if the whole thing was handled differently but then again the story wouldn't be exciting if they did.

[LOLandStuff]

Got ninjad.

[Lord Raijin]

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Br3ad wrote...
Seriously, prove to me that Wynne is possessed. Does she fit the definition, if not, stop saying it. 

Mr.House wrote...
I don't see Wynne killing inocent people, including young mages they are ment to protect.

Being possessed is being possessed. What part of being possessed don't you two understand? If you were meant to die in battle then you are meant to die, not to save your ass by allowing a spirit/demon to posssess you.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:32 .

[Mr.House]

LOLandStuff wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Where's this short story with this rylon person, and why does he not show up in google searches when looking up "rylon dragon age"?

Here

Contradicts DAO:A and DA2,  no one should take that short story at heart, let aloen use it as a argument.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I read the story now, and all I have to say is.

My god, how did someone so beloved for their writing write something so bad?

It was short though, I'll give it that in it's favor.

[LOLandStuff]

Anders is like those guys who can't hold a steady job because they all suck and whatnot.
Not the type of person you can rely on.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

My belief is still that they must be merged in a different way than Justice and Anders to have such a radically different effect than the two of them. Wynne's spirit merged with her while she ws clinically dead is is keeping her alive, that seems a little different than Anders and Justice.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:34 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Apparently Wynne is just a better person than Anders and didn't corrupt the spirit inside her

Exactly.

[MisterJB]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
He seemed to have more control over the templars and possibly the seekers then the divine did. And he seemed to be working to undermine her authority from the start, sending a templar with instructions to kill anyone who found a alternative to tranquility, arresting the enchanters, effectively telling her to go screw at the end of the book. The fact that the other templars follow his led isn't a good sign for them being a legitimate orginization who follows the proper rules, laws, and protocol of their supposed authority comes with.

Maybe if the Divine actually made some good decisions once in a while... In my opinion, Lambert had as much legitimacy to disobey Justinia as Cullen had to disobey Meredith.

But that's neither here not there. Given that Lambert actually trusted and respected the Divine enough to go to the Grand Cathedral in the middle of the night, there are ways this could have been used against him.
Send him on a comission far away; attract him to an ambush; kill him in his sleep.
But don't just kill Templars in order to make mages Apostates when it's your job to mantain the Circle and prevent mages from becoming Apostates. Especially when they were already discussing plans for World War III.

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Apparently Wynne is just a better person than Anders and didn't corrupt the spirit inside her

And the possession was the decision of the Spirit for Wynne, not the choice of the possessed.

[Mr.House]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Apparently Wynne is just a better person than Anders and didn't corrupt the spirit inside her

I like to think because Wynne is at least smart to know total freedom is a horrible idea unlike silly Anders,