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[MisterJB]

If we are throwing people off castle battlements, don't forget Evangeline.

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Apparently Wynne is just a better person than Anders and didn't corrupt the spirit inside her

The Chantry and the templars would think differently of her if they found out her dirty little secret.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Morocco Mole wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I read the story now, and all I have to say is.

My god, how did someone so beloved for their writing write something so bad?

It was short though, I'll give it that in it's favor.

I thought it was okay. A bit too much on the prose though.

I thought it read like cut down, rushed fanfiction imo.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

MisterJB wrote...

If we are throwing people off castle battlements, don't forget Evangeline.

You see, unlike everyone else, evangeline seems ot actually have principles and morals worth commemerating, so I like her.

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Apparently Wynne is just a better person than Anders and didn't corrupt the spirit inside her

I like to think because Wynne is at least smart to know total freedom is a horrible idea unlike silly Anders,

Or when she was possessed, she had better things to worry about, ie surviving a Circle Tower that had demons constantly pouring through the Veil.

[LOLandStuff]

Raijin just hates Wynne for being so level headed and not complain about how persecuted she was in the Circle. Because she enjoyed her life in the Circle this makes her a very bad person.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

If we are throwing people off castle battlements, don't forget Evangeline.

Nah, just Adrian.

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Apparently Wynne is just a better person than Anders and didn't corrupt the spirit inside her

The Chantry and the templars would think differently of her if they found out her dirty little secret.

You want to know why they never found out? Because the spirit never corrupted her. Unlike crazy Anders.

[Mr.House]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Raijin just hates Wynne for being so level headed and not complain about how persecuted she was in the Circle. Because she enjoyed her life in the Circle this makes her a very bad person.

Makes her a smart person because she knows the cold hard truth and accepts it.

[ScarMK]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Raijin just hates Wynne for being so level headed and not complain about how persecuted she was in the Circle. Because she enjoyed her life in the Circle this makes her a very bad person.

Don't be silly, she's not level headed.  She's obviously suffering from a very, very, very, bad case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Modifié par ScarMK, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:41 .

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Not sure what a corrupted spirit of faith would turn into. Pride?

According to David Gaider, "The corruption of Faith is Pride. Whether Wynne's spirit was ever corrupted is up to speculation, I suppose."

http://social.biowar...960074#16961765

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

The Chantry and the templars would think differently of her if they found out her dirty little secret.

Probably.

They were wanting to tranquilized Jowan for being a blood mage... What do you think would happen if they found out that Wynne was carrying an extra passigner that she met in the fade?

[Dave of Canada]

I don't think it's corrupted because it's draining itself to sustain Wynne / Evangeline, it doesn't seem interested in resupplying it's life force by draining others.


Yet.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

The Chantry and the templars would think differently of her if they found out her dirty little secret.

Probably.

They were wanting to tranquilized Jowan for being a blood mage... What do you think would happen if they found out that Wynne was carrying an extra passigner that she met in the fade?

Off with her head. 

[LOLandStuff]

She never met the spirit. All she says is that she felt like someone was watching over her.

[ScarMK]

Lord Raijin wrote...

They were wanting to tranquilized Jowan for being a blood mage... What do you think would happen if they found out that Wynne was carrying an extra passigner that she met in the fade?

Unless you skipped over the last few pages, most of the posters said she would likely be executed by the templars. Good spirit or not,.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

MisterJB wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
He seemed to have more control over the templars and possibly the seekers then the divine did. And he seemed to be working to undermine her authority from the start, sending a templar with instructions to kill anyone who found a alternative to tranquility, arresting the enchanters, effectively telling her to go screw at the end of the book. The fact that the other templars follow his led isn't a good sign for them being a legitimate orginization who follows the proper rules, laws, and protocol of their supposed authority comes with.

Maybe if the Divine actually made some good decisions once in a while... In my opinion, Lambert had as much legitimacy to disobey Justinia as Cullen had to disobey Meredith.

But that's neither here not there. Given that Lambert actually trusted and respected the Divine enough to go to the Grand Cathedral in the middle of the night, there are ways this could have been used against him.
Send him on a comission far away; attract him to an ambush; kill him in his sleep.
But don't just kill Templars in order to make mages Apostates when it's your job to mantain the Circle and prevent mages from becoming Apostates. Especially when they were already discussing plans for World War III.

I think you're missing a key fact, that lambert is intentionally, and with sound body and mind, commiting treason against the divine, because he doesn't agree with her on a single issue. Just because he did his job, and obeyed her summons, doesn't make him any better of a person, it means he did his job. Meredith showed clear signs of insanity, abuses of power, and a disregard for the rules the templars are suppose to follow, especially when it came to tranquility. The divine however didn't, she seemed to be looking into more avenues to try and diffuse the tension between the circle and chantry, which lambert seemed to want to escalate into violence.

And I would like to know where the battle plans and army formations were being disccused by the circle enchanters, in their meeting to call what actions they would take. As much as I would like to believe you on good faith that they were all planning on setting up a new sith empire and had a death star blueprint ready to go, some actual in text proof would be nice. Talk of delusional succession isnt grounds for martial law, if it was texas would have been placed under it years ago, along with hawaii. And on the slime chance they do vote on it, the divine can just overrule it, so that's not even an issue at this point.

Besides, lambert showing incompetence and storming into a vote to go and arrest someone he suspects of a crime doesn't give me any confidence in him. Why he couldn't have waited until after the meeting to arrest rhys is beyond me.

[Hellion Rex]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't think it's corrupted because it's draining itself to sustain Wynne / Evangeline, it doesn't seem interested in resupplying it's life force by draining others.


Yet.

True. Do we really know that it is still draining now though that it has switched hosts? Or was what Wynne felt just a sign that she was to pass on the spirit to Evangeline soon?

[MisterJB]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
You see, unlike everyone else, evangeline seems ot actually have principles and morals worth commemerating, so I like her.

Adrian is shock full of faults but, at the very least, what she did, she did for the sake of her people (and herself of course).
Evangeline completely abandoned her duty as a Templar and betrayed her own people for the sake of the mages.
"If I had an enemy and a traitor in front of me and only one bullet, I'd let the traitor take it."

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
He seemed to have more control over the templars and possibly the seekers then the divine did. And he seemed to be working to undermine her authority from the start, sending a templar with instructions to kill anyone who found a alternative to tranquility, arresting the enchanters, effectively telling her to go screw at the end of the book. The fact that the other templars follow his led isn't a good sign for them being a legitimate orginization who follows the proper rules, laws, and protocol of their supposed authority comes with.

Maybe if the Divine actually made some good decisions once in a while... In my opinion, Lambert had as much legitimacy to disobey Justinia as Cullen had to disobey Meredith.

But that's neither here not there. Given that Lambert actually trusted and respected the Divine enough to go to the Grand Cathedral in the middle of the night, there are ways this could have been used against him.
Send him on a comission far away; attract him to an ambush; kill him in his sleep.
But don't just kill Templars in order to make mages Apostates when it's your job to mantain the Circle and prevent mages from becoming Apostates. Especially when they were already discussing plans for World War III.

I think you're missing a key fact, that lambert is intentionally, and with sound body and mind, commiting treason against the divine, because he doesn't agree with her on a single issue. Just because he did his job, and obeyed her summons, doesn't make him any better of a person, it means he did his job. Meredith showed clear signs of insanity, abuses of power, and a disregard for the rules the templars are suppose to follow, especially when it came to tranquility. The divine however didn't, she seemed to be looking into more avenues to try and diffuse the tension between the circle and chantry, which lambert seemed to want to escalate into violence.

And I would like to know where the battle plans and army formations were being disccused by the circle enchanters, in their meeting to call what actions they would take. As much as I would like to believe you on good faith that they were all planning on setting up a new sith empire and had a death star blueprint ready to go, some actual in text proof would be nice. Talk of delusional succession isnt grounds for martial law, if it was texas would have been placed under it years ago, along with hawaii. And on the slime chance they do vote on it, the divine can just overrule it, so that's not even an issue at this point.

Besides, lambert showing incompetence and storming into a vote to go and arrest someone he suspects of a crime doesn't give me any confidence in him. Why he couldn't have waited until after the meeting to arrest rhys is beyond me.

Funny thing is, I am rereading that chapter as we speak, and I see none of that stuff at all.

[Lord Raijin]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Raijin just hates Wynne for being so level headed and not complain about how persecuted she was in the Circle. Because she enjoyed her life in the Circle this makes her a very bad person.

No I dislike her because she kept getting involved in every aspect of my Wardens life. She treats my Warden like a child who can't think for himself. She tells my Warden that seeking love is selfish, and that he should be focusing his attention of others; like I'm suppose to be everyones pet. She never sought true love in the Circle, and here I'm suppose to seek relationship advices from this woman? Sometimes it's best to STFU if you truly don't know what you're talking about.

It's like asking a virgin for sex advice.

When I romance Morrigan all she does is trash talk her right in front of me... calling her dangerous and etc. You would feel the same if someone like Wynne was trash talking your woman.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

To be honest, the more I hear of lambert and his actions, the more I get an image of some big dumb brute with a sword. He's loud, he's arrogant, he doesn't seem to have any sense of subtlety, doesn't seem to care at all about keeping a situation from turning ugly, and overall doesn't seem to have any sort of logic outside of "mages bad, lambert smash".