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[Xilizhra]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Anders is unrepentant for what he did in the Chantry. He still believes it was the right thing to do (unless in fully rivalry) and would keep doing it if he thought he should. But the terrorism has already served it's purpose for him.

We may have somewhat differing interpretations, but there's also the fact that I don't kill people when not in combat.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Anders is unrepentant for what he did in the Chantry. He still believes it was the right thing to do (unless in fully rivalry) and would keep doing it if he thought he should. But the terrorism has already served it's purpose for him.

We may have somewhat differing interpretations, but there's also the fact that I don't kill people when not in combat.

Anders does.....  Wouldn't it be compassionate to kill him so he doesn't repeat or inspire future acts of terrorism?

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Anders is unrepentant for what he did in the Chantry. He still believes it was the right thing to do (unless in fully rivalry) and would keep doing it if he thought he should. But the terrorism has already served it's purpose for him.

We may have somewhat differing interpretations, but there's also the fact that I don't kill people when not in combat.

Combat and murder are just twothings perpetuated by society to excuse and to explain why one killing is different from another when really it is exactly the same. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 01 novembre 2013 - 02:13 .

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Anders is unrepentant for what he did in the Chantry. He still believes it was the right thing to do (unless in fully rivalry) and would keep doing it if he thought he should. But the terrorism has already served it's purpose for him.

We may have somewhat differing interpretations, but there's also the fact that I don't kill people when not in combat.

Anders does.....  Wouldn't it be compassionate to kill him so he doesn't repeat or inspire future acts of terrorism?

No. I don't wish to assume this out of hand enough to kill him, and in any case, I need his help.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Anders is unrepentant for what he did in the Chantry. He still believes it was the right thing to do (unless in fully rivalry) and would keep doing it if he thought he should. But the terrorism has already served it's purpose for him.

We may have somewhat differing interpretations, but there's also the fact that I don't kill people when not in combat.

Anders does.....  Wouldn't it be compassionate to kill him so he doesn't repeat or inspire future acts of terrorism?

No. I don't wish to assume this out of hand enough to kill him, and in any case, I need his help.

It seems a preety sound assumption to make, there are still lots of Chantries that need a good exploding and lots of mages still "being oppresed"

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What can I say? Mass murder is a bit of a dealbreaker.

Oddly Anders seems exempt from this

Well, I can't stop him, and the most I can do to limit the impact is defend as many mages as I can. I can, however, stop Cullen from doing any more harm if he tried.

[The Hierophant]

I wonder how many people Anders will kill? He nearly murdered a woman for calling him for a demon.

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Anders is unrepentant for what he did in the Chantry. He still believes it was the right thing to do (unless in fully rivalry) and would keep doing it if he thought he should. But the terrorism has already served it's purpose for him.

We may have somewhat differing interpretations, but there's also the fact that I don't kill people when not in combat.

Anders does.....  Wouldn't it be compassionate to kill him so he doesn't repeat or inspire future acts of terrorism?

No. I don't wish to assume this out of hand enough to kill him, and in any case, I need his help.

I'd take the support of an entire city-state over Anders, who's teetering on the edge of full on danger.

[Steelcan]

The Hierophant wrote...

I wonder how many people Anders will kill? He nearly murdered a woman for calling him for a demon.

[Xilizhra]

I wonder how many people Anders will kill? He nearly murdered a woman for calling him for a demon.

He seems to be stabilized by the end of the game on friendship, so I think it won't be anyone unduly.

I'd take the support of an entire city-state over Anders, who's teetering on the edge of full on danger.

I don't have any real reason to believe that Sebastian will succeed in retaking Starkhaven, nor do I believe that he's ideologically reliable enough to actually help me, and even if he did both of those, I greatly doubt that he could actually get Starkhaven on his side for this enough to be a reliable ally.

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

He seems to be stabilized by the end of the game on friendship, so I think it won't be anyone unduly.

Still an unrepentant mass murderer so I don't see your point

I don't know, he seems fairly repentant to me. Even saying that it was worse than he thought.

[Steelcan]

Morocco Mole wrote...

He seems to be stabilized by the end of the game on friendship, so I think it won't be anyone unduly.

Still an unrepentant mass murderer so I don't see your point

Clearly the work of someone completely stable and rational

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Templar was recruited by the Warden Commander. The Chantry can't just plant a Templar within the Wardens.

Which still doesn't discount it. I wasn't saying the Chantry just booped in a Templar easily. I was saying simply that the guy could have been a spy for the Chantry.

The Wardens would have had to see some merit in the man, and he would obviously have ahd to passed his joinning.

Except it's known that although the Wardens are an independent organization, they still tread lightly and try to avoid stepping on the toes of other people and/or take what they can get.

Fact is that, while yes they may have seen merit in the man they might also have simply said "He comes here, wanting to join, and we could use as many Wardens as we could because Ferelden has (at most) 6 Wardens."

Also Anders was an ABOMINATION, the Grey Wardens and Templars had all the reason in the world to try and destroy him. It had nothing to do with the Templars and/or Chantry wanting to keep an eye on him. Sure, Anders would love for it to be the case, since that would further vindicate his skewered ideas.

I'm not saying they wouldn't have grounds to eliminate him (though I am curious if the Wardens would ever make exceptions, provided the Abomination wasn't full-on meatsuit bat**** crazy) since he was possessed.

I'm just saying that Anders thinking the guy was a spy is not that far-fetched, despite what pro-Templars try so hard to make seem the case.

He is obviously delusional since he thought he only killed two persons, but when he comes to, he realizes he killed a whole bunch of his fellow Wardens and a few Templars to boot.

Delusional? Not really. That's more a case of him not being in control of himself, something that we see repeatedly in-game.

Delusional would be if he was still in control of himself and didn't need to come to, wouldn't it?

Regardless, I'm not defending how he acted when they were about to kill him -- though it was primarily Justice/Vengeance who did that, and how much blame I can give him I'm not certain.

I'm simply saying, don't knock down the idea of a Chantry spy just because you don't like it. I fully admit that the man could've been an earnest recruit unaffiliated with Chantry agendas, just as much as I admit that he could've been a spy for the Chantry.

Fact is, we have no certifiable proof either way (and there's also no proof Rylock was going rogue, as you tried to claim). What we have is a history of previous events and mindsets to draw conclusions on.

To just put your fingers in your ears and scream LALALALALALALA because you don't like it.... well...

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 novembre 2013 - 02:53 .

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I ran out of popcorn by the first few weeks.

Good thing about those threads is that they're like old movies. You can pop 'em in anytime!

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

I wonder how many people Anders will kill? He nearly murdered a woman for calling him for a demon.

He seems to be stabilized by the end of the game on friendship, so I think it won't be anyone unduly.

Friendship wise he only states that he can't tell the difference between both of their consciounesses and is gung ho about his fanaticism, while in the rilvary path he states that he doesn't remember anything when Justice is in control. Either way both friendship and rivalry dialogues shows that he's not in control.

[cjones91]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Templar was recruited by the Warden Commander. The Chantry can't just plant a Templar within the Wardens.

Which still doesn't discount it. I wasn't saying the Chantry just booped in a Templar easily. I was saying simply that the guy could have been a spy for the Chantry.

The Wardens would have had to see some merit in the man, and he would obviously have ahd to passed his joinning.

Except it's known that although the Wardens are an independent organization, they still tread lightly and try to avoid stepping on the toes of other people and/or take what they can get.

Fact is that, while yes they may have seen merit in the man they might also have simply said "He comes here, wanting to join, and we could use as many Wardens as we could because Ferelden has (at most) 6 Wardens."

Also Anders was an ABOMINATION, the Grey Wardens and Templars had all the reason in the world to try and destroy him. It had nothing to do with the Templars and/or Chantry wanting to keep an eye on him. Sure, Anders would love for it to be the case, since that would further vindicate his skewered ideas.

I'm not saying they wouldn't have grounds to eliminate him (though I am curious if the Wardens would ever make exceptions, provided the Abomination wasn't full-on meatsuit bat**** crazy) since he was possessed.

I'm just saying that Anders thinking the guy was a spy is not that far-fetched, despite what pro-Templars try so hard to make seem the case.

He is obviously delusional since he thought he only killed two persons, but when he comes to, he realizes he killed a whole bunch of his fellow Wardens and a few Templars to boot.

Delusional? Not really. That's more a case of him not being in control of himself, something that we see repeatedly in-game.

Delusional would be if he was still in control of himself and didn't need to come to.

I still wonder why the Chantry did'nt plant spies in the Grey Wardens sooner,it would make perfect sense for them to want to keep tabs on all the apostates among the Grey Warden ranks.

[TEWR]

I still wonder why the Chantry did'nt plant spies in the Grey Wardens sooner,it would make perfect sense for them to want to keep tabs on all the apostates among the Grey Warden ranks.

Until the Third Blight, the Grey Wardens were affiliated with the Chantry, so there really wasn't much need. During the Third Blight, they signed a treaty that rendered them neutral agents, beholden to no organization other then themselves.

[The Hierophant]

Regarding Anders'/Justice's slaughter of his pursuers, is he a cannibal?

[cjones91]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I still wonder why the Chantry did'nt plant spies in the Grey Wardens sooner,it would make perfect sense for them to want to keep tabs on all the apostates among the Grey Warden ranks.

Until the Third Blight, the Grey Wardens were affiliated with the Chantry, so there really wasn't much need. During the Third Blight, they signed a treaty that rendered them neutral agents, beholden to no organization other then themselves.

Still,so many apostates escape the Chantry by joining the Grey Wardens which makes immune from persecution.I can't imagine the Chantry not wanting to keep tabs on them on them all.