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[WhiteKnyght]

Doesn't that large rip in the sky and the demons pouring through remind you guys of Dragon Age: Redemption's plot?

Spoiler alert:

In Dragon Age: Redemption, a rogue Serebaas escaped the Circle of Magi and stole an artifact from a Dalish clan. It was "the Mask of Fen'Harel" and with it, it was going to use blood magic to open a portal to the Fade and summon a demon army.

And it nearly succeeded, had Tallis not destroyed the mask.

But the funny thing was that the portal was a giant green rip in the sky just like in the Inquisition trailer. And anybody who follows the right people on Twitter would know that Felicia Day and David Gaider are chummy.

So anybody else think that the Dalish could be the ones behind this? Or something from their lore?

[BlueMagitek]

This must be retribution for Hawke and Warden slaughtering Dalish clans left and right. :/

That's actually a pretty good catch. I wasn't aware of such a thing. We have Merrill's Eluvian and Morrigan stealing the book on Dalish Lore / using the Eluvian. So there may be more truth to it.

[Angrywolves]

Who know ? Could be some artifact.

[The Elder King]

Thanks for the info about Redemption. The fact that an items with the name of Fen'harel was used to nearly open a portal to the Fade (with a similarity to how the Fade is breaching in DAI) support my theory that Fen'harel and the Maker are the same being, in the case He exists.

[Mike 9987]

Makes sense. It's strongly implied there will be a dalish uprising.

[thats1evildude]

Well, it was Fen'Harel's mask. Maybe the tear in the sky is Fen'Harel's doing.

[WhiteKnyght]

Elini Zinovia: I shall endure 'til the Maker returns to light their fires again.

Sandal: One day the magic will come back, all of it. Everybody will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.

Dalish lore fact: Everyone used to have magic in the days of Arlathan, but lost the gift when it was destroyed.

Trailer about the veil tear is called "The Fires Above", and involves the skies opening and a dragon coming through.

Make of these facts what you will.

[BlueMagitek]

However, I've heard that Sandal does not say that line if The Ultimate Sacrifice (or the Redeemer) is taken as an ending.

[LobselVith8]

thats1evildude wrote...

Well, it was Fen'Harel's mask. Maybe the tear in the sky is Fen'Harel's doing.

I wonder what the plot would be, though. According to legend, Fen'Harel betrayed two sides, trapping one in the heavens, and the other underground. Why open a possible portal from the Fade into Thedas?

[Blazingkats]

Interesting. Thanks for the info

[WhiteKnyght]

BlueMagitek wrote...

However, I've heard that Sandal does not say that line if The Ultimate Sacrifice (or the Redeemer) is taken as an ending.

I've never heard that.

But if it's true, it refers to the Old God Baby.

[thats1evildude]

LobselVith8 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Well, it was Fen'Harel's mask. Maybe the tear in the sky is Fen'Harel's doing.

I wonder what the plot would be, though. According to legend, Fen'Harel betrayed two sides, trapping one in the heavens, and the other underground. Why open a possible portal from the Fade into Thedas?

I don't know. I have a feeling that neither the Chantry nor the Dalish are correct about the details of their respective mythologies. There are similarities in both legends … perhaps Fen'Harel and the Maker are the same entity.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 juin 2013 - 01:43 .

[LobselVith8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I've never heard that.

But if it's true, it refers to the Old God Baby. 

Morrigan did say he had a 'destiny'.

[The Elder King]

thats1evildude wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Well, it was Fen'Harel's mask. Maybe the tear in the sky is Fen'Harel's doing.

I wonder what the plot would be, though. According to legend, Fen'Harel betrayed two sides, trapping one in the heavens, and the other underground. Why open a possible portal from the Fade into Thedas?

I don't know. I have a feeling that neither the Chantry nor the Dalish are correct about the details of their respective mythologies. There are similarities in both legends … perhaps Fen'Harel and the Maker are the same entity.

Considering the fact that dragons were trapped in the Fade, other than in the Deep Roads, they might be the gods Fen'harel trapped. Considering that in Chantry lore the Maker trapped the Old Gods, who are dragons, I'd say the 'Maker=Fen'harel' theory gained some points.

[Senya]

I doubt they'll confirm it either way.

If he is the Maker, I imagine Fen'harel didn't predict the Chantry, too orderly. I think Fen'harel might have embodied freedom: freedom from slavery and freedom from a "Who Wants to Live Forever?" deal, considering Uthenara.

Or the Chantry could be 100% correct about the Maker. I would find the forums' reactions hilarious if that happened.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 15 juin 2013 - 02:30 .

[TCBC_Freak]

I hadn't even thought about the show, I keep remembering bit from the books and graphic novels and all the DLC but not the show, I watched it when it came out and it was a good little bit of youtube, but I've never thought much about it in terms of how it fits in the lore... wow, nice spot.

[Senya]

I always thought of the show as a fan creation and ambiguously canon if you know what I mean.

[WhiteKnyght]

almostinsane99 wrote...

I always thought of the show as a fan creation and ambiguously canon if you know what I mean.

When Mark of the Assassin was first announced, one of the hooks they used was "Featuring Tallis from the webseries Dragon Age: Redemption." Bioware also first announced Redemption, and advertised it..

Also Redemption doesn't conflict with any DA related lore. The only ambiguous thing is it's dating. Because Mark of the Assassin can happen at any act of Dragon Age II. Though it's implied that Redemption happens afterward, because in MotA, Tallis is ethical and wants to do the right thing, in Redemption, she was demoted for being too liberal and in the end, she basically defects.

You could probably compare the canonity of Dragon Age Redemption to the canonity of Fallout Nuka Break, which was acknowledged as part of the FO canon by Bethesda/Obsidian(who even consults in its production, and added a DLC item to New Vegas called the "Nuka Breaker")

[WhiteKnyght]

almostinsane99 wrote...

I doubt they'll confirm it either way.

If he is the Maker, I imagine Fen'harel didn't predict the Chantry, too orderly. I think Fen'harel might have embodied freedom: freedom from slavery and freedom from a "Who Wants to Live Forever?" deal, considering Uthenara.

Or the Chantry could be 100% correct about the Maker. I would find the forums' reactions hilarious if that happened.

The Chantry was proven wrong about the Golden/Black City in Legacy.

And considering Leliana's resurrection if you kill her, it implies she's more right about the Maker than the Chantry is.

And if the Chantry is right about the Maker, then he's turned his back on the world and doesn't give a damn anymore either way. And we all know the Chantry's belief that the Chant must be spread across the world for him to forgive everyone is speculation/wishful thinking. Because it was conceived after Andraste's death, and she was the only person the Maker actually spoke to in their mythology. Meaning they can't possibly confirm it to be true.

[Dr. Doctor]

The lore for Fen'Harel and the war between the Dalish Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones talks about how he convinced the Forgotten Ones to return to the abyss they came from in exchange for the defeat of the Dalish gods. He then figured out a way to seal them off from reality forever.

It might be that the Forgotten Ones and the Old Gods are one in the same. Deceiving the Magisters by convincing them to enter the Black City, causing them to build Kirkwall in an area where the Veil is thin with the intent of weakening it further, and Coryphaeus statement that the city in the Fade was always black, and the remark that there is no Maker by a Rage Demon in the Denerim Alienage quest in DAO might suggest that the idea of the Maker and all of the actions done in his name are a part of an elaborate scheme on the part of the Forgotten Ones to escape the prison Fen'Harel put them in. Kind of like the Call of Cthulhu.

[WhiteKnyght]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

The lore for Fen'Harel and the war between the Dalish Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones talks about how he convinced the Forgotten Ones to return to the abyss they came from in exchange for the defeat of the Dalish gods. He then figured out a way to seal them off from reality forever.

It might be that the Forgotten Ones and the Old Gods are one in the same. Deceiving the Magisters by convincing them to enter the Black City, causing them to build Kirkwall in an area where the Veil is thin with the intent of weakening it further, and Coryphaeus statement that the city in the Fade was always black, and the remark that there is no Maker by a Rage Demon in the Denerim Alienage quest in DAO might suggest that the idea of the Maker and all of the actions done in his name are a part of an elaborate scheme on the part of the Forgotten Ones to escape the prison Fen'Harel put them in. Kind of like the Call of Cthulhu.

That "seal them off" part might have been the Veil. Since Yavana stated that the veil wasn't always there and the Fade and Physical world were once the same. Which makes a semblence of sense, considering the power of the Mask of Fen'Harel is to sunder the veil.

Although if the Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones, it could explain why they gave humanity the power of Blood magic that they used to destroy the Elvhen. The Arlathan Elves worshipped the Creators, who were their enemies, and a human society worshipped them instead. It's also noteworthy that there are seven Old Gods and seven Forgotten Ones.

As for the creators, they're probably the ones trapped in the Fade

As for Fen'Harel being the Maker, it's a good argument, though whether Fen'Harel actually created humanity is unclear, they could just be pawns.

As for Flemeth, I don't think she's any iconic figure from history. She may be an outside factor, a dragon sorceress who wants to return the world to the good old days when Dragons ruled the world.

[Fredward]

If the Dalish are behind this I will laugh. In their faces, loudly. They seem to screw EVERYTHING up. They shouldn't be allowed out without a sensible city elf supervisor.

[Dr. Doctor]

Flemeth could be Fen'Harel or an aspect/servant of him. Shape shifting, and complex schemes seems like something a trickster god would do.