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[jtav]

 I'm working on a Shep who is a pretty perfect Paragon. Managed to get Miranda to resign, made peace, turned Aria into a better person. Everything this guy touches turns to gold. I'm even skipping Arrival, so the last and only time this guy had to do anything morally difficult was Virmire. With that in mind, is Control or Refuse a better fit for such? On the one hand, I don't see any particular moral issues with Control myself )practical ones, however...). On the other, Refuse does seem more in keeping with the character so far, only the fancy speech doesn't work.

[KENNY4753]

neither. destroy is the paragon way

[Gold Dragon]

Destroy.  We Destroy them or they destroy us could also be interpretted as an order from Admiral Anderson.

[KaiserShep]

It's renegade to deny Anderson his dying request

[ryn_wolf]

oh that's easy... DESTROY

[jtav]

Destroy isn't Paragon folks. "We don't sacrifice lives for the sake of the mission." Paragon is the "damn the consequences" where Shep makes huge gambles to avoid immediate casualties. That's not Destroy. It's also not the same thing as right or ethical.

Modifié par jtav, 15 juin 2013 - 01:23 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

KENNY4753 wrote...

neither. destroy is the paragon way

The "paragon way" lets merc bosses, crime ring leaders, slavers, and even terrorists all walk free to avoid sacrificing lives.

Why stop there?

Refusal to compromise morality or letting the Reapers live to save entire species from death is only fitting.

[Gold Dragon]

jtav wrote...

Destroy isn't Paragon folks. "We don't sacrifice lives for the sake of the mission." Paragon is the "damn the consequences" where Shep makes huge gambles to avoid immediate casualties. ThAt's not Destroy.

Not entirely.  But reasonable.

How does Refuse fit in, when it really is nothing more than a slap in the face to eveyone/thing that DIED to get Shepard to that point?

How does Control fit in, when there is no proof that you wont, sometime later, go insane and restart the harvesting? Or worse, rewrite you?

How does Synthesis fit in, which is being a GOD?  How would YOU, the player, feel if someone did that to YOU?


No, Destroy is the only course.  At least, for me that is.  You are someone different.


Enjoy your choice, whatever you decide.

[SeptimusMagistos]

Control. Shepard refuses to sacrifice anyone and instead goes in and does the job himself and everything works out fine. Also it's blue.

[KENNY4753]

depends on how you view destroy and its level of paragon/renegade meter. I view it as having the most paragon points to it.

[Bill Casey]

Refuse or MEHEM...
Those are the paragon endings...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 juin 2013 - 01:44 .

[KaiserShep]

jtav wrote...

Destroy isn't Paragon folks. "We don't sacrifice lives for the sake of the mission." Paragon is the "damn the consequences" where Shep makes huge gambles to avoid immediate casualties. That's not Destroy. It's also not the same thing as right or ethical.

I guess it really depends on how one sees it. For me, there is absolutely nothing I find valuable in the other options, regardless of what the epilogue tells us. My suspension of disbelief stops dead right there. 

[game-zerox]

Because doing what the Illusive man tried to do the whole game, which you opposed until the very end, is the paragon option.

Yup! Totally the paragon choice. It's not like there was a renegade variation to that same choice.

Seriously though, do what you want, you made the choices, so you of all people should know what your "pretty perfect paragon" would do in this situation.

[Bill Casey]

Paragons love keeping 20,000 cycles of corrupted life as their slaves...

[MegaSovereign]

If you define Paragon as avoiding "morally difficult" situations that may result in high body counts then Refuse doesn't really fit since Shepard effectively let's the Reapers keep harvesting. Inaction is still a choice afterall.

If I'm playing perfect Paragon OR perfect Renegade, I usually pick Control because it's the only ending that takes moral alignment into account. Bare in mind, I prefer to play a more middle-ground, realistic Shepard so Destroy is my ending of choice.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 juin 2013 - 01:46 .

[KENNY4753]

Also Control is worse for Geth than destroy. Geth either become slaves in control or the die free in destroy (and can possibly be rebuilt)

oh and before you say anything about controlling Geth let me finish.

1. post Rannoch there are still Reaper controlled Geth. Tevos says this over vid-comm

2. In Control Shepard simply replaces the Starchild. Meaning Shep controls what the Catalyst controls. Including the reaper-controlled Geth

So which is truely more Paragon towards the Geth. I dont thing of slavery as very paragon. Im pretty sure a lot of slaves in the 1800s would rather be dead.

[MegaSovereign]

I don't think the Geth are controlled. You see the same Geth/Reaper slide if you choose Synthesis and destroyed the Quarians on Rannoch.

[Bill Casey]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't think the Geth are controlled. You see the same Geth/Reaper slide if you choose Synthesis and destroyed the Quarians on Rannoch.

But there are Reaper controlled Geth when you pick Control...

[AlanC9]

KaiserShep wrote...

I guess it really depends on how one sees it. For me, there is absolutely nothing I find valuable in the other options, regardless of what the epilogue tells us. My suspension of disbelief stops dead right there. 

Meaning that the epilogue is telling lies, or that it isn't talking about the important stuff?

[Hellosanta]

Personally I prefer control or synthesis really ... Destroy lets Shepard live but I have to kill all the geth and EDI for my own ass. After what I've been through with them, it's just impossible to choose that option.
Refuse is just .. no. What's the point in that option? We've been told so many times that there is no way to defeat Reapers conventionally. Choosing refuse option is like saying "I just decide to let you all slaughtered in front of me because I don't like this little brat telling me what to do."

[MegaSovereign]

That's a really small minority of Geth, I don't think Kenny was talking about them.